Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Ya know in the back of my mind I was thinking about how grimey it was near
there and if I maybe got some nasty stuff on it. I think I'll take it off
tomorrow and check it out. I just had a hell of a time getting to it and
had to buy a couple of 10 inch extensions and elbow for my ratchet to get to
it from the bottom, while having my girlfriend with skinny arms hold it from
the top. Maybe I could be adjusted a tad. I'll let ya'll know how it turns
out.

Troy


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44EE9703.26DCF71@cox.net...
> Hi Troy,
> I think you should recheck your Crankcase Position Sensor for the
> taped adjustment clearance:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Troy wrote:
>>
>> Well now this has certainly gotten me pissed.
>>
>> After I replaced the control module I took the drive to my brother's
>> house,
>> 10 miles. I was inside for about 45 minutes and came out just to see if
>> it
>> cranks up.
>>
>> The thing was acting like it was before I replaced the ignition control
>> module, crank but no start. By this time I imagine the engine's
>> compartment, due to not moving and being thoroughly heated up was warm
>> all
>> over. I disconnected the spark plug wire from the coil and saw no spark
>> while cranking.
>>
>> To recap, the parts I have already replaced are:
>> CPS sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap with contact,
>> ignition coil, and today the ignition control module, which failed the
>> test
>> at autozone. The ground strap from the engine to the body is strong and
>> not
>> rusted. I was so mad I was yanking on it hard even to see if it would
>> give
>> and it held strong.
>>
>> When I make a trip like this, after I park it and turn it off it will
>> crank
>> up again, its just if I let it sit something must be getting hot and not
>> giving me spark. Right now it's at his house and I'm sure when I go over
>> there in the morning it will crank up for me to get it home and have all
>> my
>> tools out with my multitester.
>>
>> Now, does anyone have any advice n such for this thing? I was
>> considering
>> buying a honda as a daily driver as it would be easier on gas but I love
>> this crappy xj however if it keeps giving me trouble I am going to give
>> it
>> the boot.
>>
>> I'm gonna bug my neighbor about it when he gets home from his 3 day
>> weekend,
>> but it would be awesome to fix it myself. I'm just at the end of my rope
>> with this thing.
>>
>> Troy

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Ya know in the back of my mind I was thinking about how grimey it was near
there and if I maybe got some nasty stuff on it. I think I'll take it off
tomorrow and check it out. I just had a hell of a time getting to it and
had to buy a couple of 10 inch extensions and elbow for my ratchet to get to
it from the bottom, while having my girlfriend with skinny arms hold it from
the top. Maybe I could be adjusted a tad. I'll let ya'll know how it turns
out.

Troy


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44EE9703.26DCF71@cox.net...
> Hi Troy,
> I think you should recheck your Crankcase Position Sensor for the
> taped adjustment clearance:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Troy wrote:
>>
>> Well now this has certainly gotten me pissed.
>>
>> After I replaced the control module I took the drive to my brother's
>> house,
>> 10 miles. I was inside for about 45 minutes and came out just to see if
>> it
>> cranks up.
>>
>> The thing was acting like it was before I replaced the ignition control
>> module, crank but no start. By this time I imagine the engine's
>> compartment, due to not moving and being thoroughly heated up was warm
>> all
>> over. I disconnected the spark plug wire from the coil and saw no spark
>> while cranking.
>>
>> To recap, the parts I have already replaced are:
>> CPS sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap with contact,
>> ignition coil, and today the ignition control module, which failed the
>> test
>> at autozone. The ground strap from the engine to the body is strong and
>> not
>> rusted. I was so mad I was yanking on it hard even to see if it would
>> give
>> and it held strong.
>>
>> When I make a trip like this, after I park it and turn it off it will
>> crank
>> up again, its just if I let it sit something must be getting hot and not
>> giving me spark. Right now it's at his house and I'm sure when I go over
>> there in the morning it will crank up for me to get it home and have all
>> my
>> tools out with my multitester.
>>
>> Now, does anyone have any advice n such for this thing? I was
>> considering
>> buying a honda as a daily driver as it would be easier on gas but I love
>> this crappy xj however if it keeps giving me trouble I am going to give
>> it
>> the boot.
>>
>> I'm gonna bug my neighbor about it when he gets home from his 3 day
>> weekend,
>> but it would be awesome to fix it myself. I'm just at the end of my rope
>> with this thing.
>>
>> Troy

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Ya know in the back of my mind I was thinking about how grimey it was near
there and if I maybe got some nasty stuff on it. I think I'll take it off
tomorrow and check it out. I just had a hell of a time getting to it and
had to buy a couple of 10 inch extensions and elbow for my ratchet to get to
it from the bottom, while having my girlfriend with skinny arms hold it from
the top. Maybe I could be adjusted a tad. I'll let ya'll know how it turns
out.

Troy


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:44EE9703.26DCF71@cox.net...
> Hi Troy,
> I think you should recheck your Crankcase Position Sensor for the
> taped adjustment clearance:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Troy wrote:
>>
>> Well now this has certainly gotten me pissed.
>>
>> After I replaced the control module I took the drive to my brother's
>> house,
>> 10 miles. I was inside for about 45 minutes and came out just to see if
>> it
>> cranks up.
>>
>> The thing was acting like it was before I replaced the ignition control
>> module, crank but no start. By this time I imagine the engine's
>> compartment, due to not moving and being thoroughly heated up was warm
>> all
>> over. I disconnected the spark plug wire from the coil and saw no spark
>> while cranking.
>>
>> To recap, the parts I have already replaced are:
>> CPS sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap with contact,
>> ignition coil, and today the ignition control module, which failed the
>> test
>> at autozone. The ground strap from the engine to the body is strong and
>> not
>> rusted. I was so mad I was yanking on it hard even to see if it would
>> give
>> and it held strong.
>>
>> When I make a trip like this, after I park it and turn it off it will
>> crank
>> up again, its just if I let it sit something must be getting hot and not
>> giving me spark. Right now it's at his house and I'm sure when I go over
>> there in the morning it will crank up for me to get it home and have all
>> my
>> tools out with my multitester.
>>
>> Now, does anyone have any advice n such for this thing? I was
>> considering
>> buying a honda as a daily driver as it would be easier on gas but I love
>> this crappy xj however if it keeps giving me trouble I am going to give
>> it
>> the boot.
>>
>> I'm gonna bug my neighbor about it when he gets home from his 3 day
>> weekend,
>> but it would be awesome to fix it myself. I'm just at the end of my rope
>> with this thing.
>>
>> Troy

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Yes, you could have a punky connection on the starter solenoid or relay
unit. That should be located on the fender just by the battery. I have
had to clean up mine. The green wires I think are the ones to make sure
are clean.

Mike

Troy wrote:
>
> Mike Romain, I found something you posted in 2000, could this relate to my
> problem even though it's an automatic and the other guy's was a stick? I'm
> also thinking of replacing that ground strap in any case, I have found an
> extra in my toolbox, must be magic
>
> Troy
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...2e67902584c0de
>
> >That sounds to me like a bad starting circuit.
>
> >With the key in the start position and the starter cranking, the coil gets
> >it's positive power from the starter solenoid.
>
> >With the key in the run position, the coil gets it's positive power from
> >the ballast resistor circuit.
>
> >I would clean the connections on the starter solenoid first.
>
> >Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail 88 Cherokee 235
> >AT's

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Yes, you could have a punky connection on the starter solenoid or relay
unit. That should be located on the fender just by the battery. I have
had to clean up mine. The green wires I think are the ones to make sure
are clean.

Mike

Troy wrote:
>
> Mike Romain, I found something you posted in 2000, could this relate to my
> problem even though it's an automatic and the other guy's was a stick? I'm
> also thinking of replacing that ground strap in any case, I have found an
> extra in my toolbox, must be magic
>
> Troy
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...2e67902584c0de
>
> >That sounds to me like a bad starting circuit.
>
> >With the key in the start position and the starter cranking, the coil gets
> >it's positive power from the starter solenoid.
>
> >With the key in the run position, the coil gets it's positive power from
> >the ballast resistor circuit.
>
> >I would clean the connections on the starter solenoid first.
>
> >Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail 88 Cherokee 235
> >AT's

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Yes, you could have a punky connection on the starter solenoid or relay
unit. That should be located on the fender just by the battery. I have
had to clean up mine. The green wires I think are the ones to make sure
are clean.

Mike

Troy wrote:
>
> Mike Romain, I found something you posted in 2000, could this relate to my
> problem even though it's an automatic and the other guy's was a stick? I'm
> also thinking of replacing that ground strap in any case, I have found an
> extra in my toolbox, must be magic
>
> Troy
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...2e67902584c0de
>
> >That sounds to me like a bad starting circuit.
>
> >With the key in the start position and the starter cranking, the coil gets
> >it's positive power from the starter solenoid.
>
> >With the key in the run position, the coil gets it's positive power from
> >the ballast resistor circuit.
>
> >I would clean the connections on the starter solenoid first.
>
> >Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail 88 Cherokee 235
> >AT's

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Yes, you could have a punky connection on the starter solenoid or relay
unit. That should be located on the fender just by the battery. I have
had to clean up mine. The green wires I think are the ones to make sure
are clean.

Mike

Troy wrote:
>
> Mike Romain, I found something you posted in 2000, could this relate to my
> problem even though it's an automatic and the other guy's was a stick? I'm
> also thinking of replacing that ground strap in any case, I have found an
> extra in my toolbox, must be magic
>
> Troy
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...2e67902584c0de
>
> >That sounds to me like a bad starting circuit.
>
> >With the key in the start position and the starter cranking, the coil gets
> >it's positive power from the starter solenoid.
>
> >With the key in the run position, the coil gets it's positive power from
> >the ballast resistor circuit.
>
> >I would clean the connections on the starter solenoid first.
>
> >Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail 88 Cherokee 235
> >AT's

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Yours is like mine with 2 bolts and no adjustment I believe. The plug
'and' socket get dirty and they fail. Putting a new CPS in only cleans
half the connection.....

Mike

Troy wrote:
>
> Ya know in the back of my mind I was thinking about how grimey it was near
> there and if I maybe got some nasty stuff on it. I think I'll take it off
> tomorrow and check it out. I just had a hell of a time getting to it and
> had to buy a couple of 10 inch extensions and elbow for my ratchet to get to
> it from the bottom, while having my girlfriend with skinny arms hold it from
> the top. Maybe I could be adjusted a tad. I'll let ya'll know how it turns
> out.
>
> Troy
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:44EE9703.26DCF71@cox.net...
> > Hi Troy,
> > I think you should recheck your Crankcase Position Sensor for the
> > taped adjustment clearance:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Troy wrote:
> >>
> >> Well now this has certainly gotten me pissed.
> >>
> >> After I replaced the control module I took the drive to my brother's
> >> house,
> >> 10 miles. I was inside for about 45 minutes and came out just to see if
> >> it
> >> cranks up.
> >>
> >> The thing was acting like it was before I replaced the ignition control
> >> module, crank but no start. By this time I imagine the engine's
> >> compartment, due to not moving and being thoroughly heated up was warm
> >> all
> >> over. I disconnected the spark plug wire from the coil and saw no spark
> >> while cranking.
> >>
> >> To recap, the parts I have already replaced are:
> >> CPS sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap with contact,
> >> ignition coil, and today the ignition control module, which failed the
> >> test
> >> at autozone. The ground strap from the engine to the body is strong and
> >> not
> >> rusted. I was so mad I was yanking on it hard even to see if it would
> >> give
> >> and it held strong.
> >>
> >> When I make a trip like this, after I park it and turn it off it will
> >> crank
> >> up again, its just if I let it sit something must be getting hot and not
> >> giving me spark. Right now it's at his house and I'm sure when I go over
> >> there in the morning it will crank up for me to get it home and have all
> >> my
> >> tools out with my multitester.
> >>
> >> Now, does anyone have any advice n such for this thing? I was
> >> considering
> >> buying a honda as a daily driver as it would be easier on gas but I love
> >> this crappy xj however if it keeps giving me trouble I am going to give
> >> it
> >> the boot.
> >>
> >> I'm gonna bug my neighbor about it when he gets home from his 3 day
> >> weekend,
> >> but it would be awesome to fix it myself. I'm just at the end of my rope
> >> with this thing.
> >>
> >> Troy

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Yours is like mine with 2 bolts and no adjustment I believe. The plug
'and' socket get dirty and they fail. Putting a new CPS in only cleans
half the connection.....

Mike

Troy wrote:
>
> Ya know in the back of my mind I was thinking about how grimey it was near
> there and if I maybe got some nasty stuff on it. I think I'll take it off
> tomorrow and check it out. I just had a hell of a time getting to it and
> had to buy a couple of 10 inch extensions and elbow for my ratchet to get to
> it from the bottom, while having my girlfriend with skinny arms hold it from
> the top. Maybe I could be adjusted a tad. I'll let ya'll know how it turns
> out.
>
> Troy
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:44EE9703.26DCF71@cox.net...
> > Hi Troy,
> > I think you should recheck your Crankcase Position Sensor for the
> > taped adjustment clearance:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Troy wrote:
> >>
> >> Well now this has certainly gotten me pissed.
> >>
> >> After I replaced the control module I took the drive to my brother's
> >> house,
> >> 10 miles. I was inside for about 45 minutes and came out just to see if
> >> it
> >> cranks up.
> >>
> >> The thing was acting like it was before I replaced the ignition control
> >> module, crank but no start. By this time I imagine the engine's
> >> compartment, due to not moving and being thoroughly heated up was warm
> >> all
> >> over. I disconnected the spark plug wire from the coil and saw no spark
> >> while cranking.
> >>
> >> To recap, the parts I have already replaced are:
> >> CPS sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap with contact,
> >> ignition coil, and today the ignition control module, which failed the
> >> test
> >> at autozone. The ground strap from the engine to the body is strong and
> >> not
> >> rusted. I was so mad I was yanking on it hard even to see if it would
> >> give
> >> and it held strong.
> >>
> >> When I make a trip like this, after I park it and turn it off it will
> >> crank
> >> up again, its just if I let it sit something must be getting hot and not
> >> giving me spark. Right now it's at his house and I'm sure when I go over
> >> there in the morning it will crank up for me to get it home and have all
> >> my
> >> tools out with my multitester.
> >>
> >> Now, does anyone have any advice n such for this thing? I was
> >> considering
> >> buying a honda as a daily driver as it would be easier on gas but I love
> >> this crappy xj however if it keeps giving me trouble I am going to give
> >> it
> >> the boot.
> >>
> >> I'm gonna bug my neighbor about it when he gets home from his 3 day
> >> weekend,
> >> but it would be awesome to fix it myself. I'm just at the end of my rope
> >> with this thing.
> >>
> >> Troy

Re: Oh crap still not working
 

Yours is like mine with 2 bolts and no adjustment I believe. The plug
'and' socket get dirty and they fail. Putting a new CPS in only cleans
half the connection.....

Mike

Troy wrote:
>
> Ya know in the back of my mind I was thinking about how grimey it was near
> there and if I maybe got some nasty stuff on it. I think I'll take it off
> tomorrow and check it out. I just had a hell of a time getting to it and
> had to buy a couple of 10 inch extensions and elbow for my ratchet to get to
> it from the bottom, while having my girlfriend with skinny arms hold it from
> the top. Maybe I could be adjusted a tad. I'll let ya'll know how it turns
> out.
>
> Troy
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:44EE9703.26DCF71@cox.net...
> > Hi Troy,
> > I think you should recheck your Crankcase Position Sensor for the
> > taped adjustment clearance:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Troy wrote:
> >>
> >> Well now this has certainly gotten me pissed.
> >>
> >> After I replaced the control module I took the drive to my brother's
> >> house,
> >> 10 miles. I was inside for about 45 minutes and came out just to see if
> >> it
> >> cranks up.
> >>
> >> The thing was acting like it was before I replaced the ignition control
> >> module, crank but no start. By this time I imagine the engine's
> >> compartment, due to not moving and being thoroughly heated up was warm
> >> all
> >> over. I disconnected the spark plug wire from the coil and saw no spark
> >> while cranking.
> >>
> >> To recap, the parts I have already replaced are:
> >> CPS sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap with contact,
> >> ignition coil, and today the ignition control module, which failed the
> >> test
> >> at autozone. The ground strap from the engine to the body is strong and
> >> not
> >> rusted. I was so mad I was yanking on it hard even to see if it would
> >> give
> >> and it held strong.
> >>
> >> When I make a trip like this, after I park it and turn it off it will
> >> crank
> >> up again, its just if I let it sit something must be getting hot and not
> >> giving me spark. Right now it's at his house and I'm sure when I go over
> >> there in the morning it will crank up for me to get it home and have all
> >> my
> >> tools out with my multitester.
> >>
> >> Now, does anyone have any advice n such for this thing? I was
> >> considering
> >> buying a honda as a daily driver as it would be easier on gas but I love
> >> this crappy xj however if it keeps giving me trouble I am going to give
> >> it
> >> the boot.
> >>
> >> I'm gonna bug my neighbor about it when he gets home from his 3 day
> >> weekend,
> >> but it would be awesome to fix it myself. I'm just at the end of my rope
> >> with this thing.
> >>
> >> Troy