'88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
#71
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
I know a friend like that too, however I'm still using the remote.
You can get to top dead center in seconds.
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly. It was in
> drive. He got run over and is now waiting for the second replacement
> hip to be put in after the first went bad on him...
>
> Mike
You can get to top dead center in seconds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly. It was in
> drive. He got run over and is now waiting for the second replacement
> hip to be put in after the first went bad on him...
>
> Mike
#72
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
I know a friend like that too, however I'm still using the remote.
You can get to top dead center in seconds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly. It was in
> drive. He got run over and is now waiting for the second replacement
> hip to be put in after the first went bad on him...
>
> Mike
You can get to top dead center in seconds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly. It was in
> drive. He got run over and is now waiting for the second replacement
> hip to be put in after the first went bad on him...
>
> Mike
#73
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
I know a friend like that too, however I'm still using the remote.
You can get to top dead center in seconds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly. It was in
> drive. He got run over and is now waiting for the second replacement
> hip to be put in after the first went bad on him...
>
> Mike
You can get to top dead center in seconds.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly. It was in
> drive. He got run over and is now waiting for the second replacement
> hip to be put in after the first went bad on him...
>
> Mike
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Geez, don't any of youze guys use remote starters? Aka
the missus?
Approximately 10/7/03 21:36, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> I was just thinking that if he has arms long enough to look down the
> carb bore while starting he should be in the NBA! That, or huge
> calluses from dragging them on the ground as he walks...
>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:50:14 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Approximately 10/7/03 12:21, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>> >
>> > > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
>> > > and see what happens.
>> >
>> > Unless you are absolutely certain that there will be no backfiring,
>> > take the extra coupla seconds and put the air cleaner back on. So
>> > far I have only managed to remove all the hair on my arm and face
>> > ignoring this advice... Even if you are certain there will be
>> > no backfiring, I'd still suggest it.
>
>
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Geez, don't any of youze guys use remote starters? Aka
the missus?
Approximately 10/7/03 21:36, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> I was just thinking that if he has arms long enough to look down the
> carb bore while starting he should be in the NBA! That, or huge
> calluses from dragging them on the ground as he walks...
>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:50:14 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Approximately 10/7/03 12:21, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>> >
>> > > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
>> > > and see what happens.
>> >
>> > Unless you are absolutely certain that there will be no backfiring,
>> > take the extra coupla seconds and put the air cleaner back on. So
>> > far I have only managed to remove all the hair on my arm and face
>> > ignoring this advice... Even if you are certain there will be
>> > no backfiring, I'd still suggest it.
>
>
#76
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Geez, don't any of youze guys use remote starters? Aka
the missus?
Approximately 10/7/03 21:36, Will Honea uttered for posterity:
> I was just thinking that if he has arms long enough to look down the
> carb bore while starting he should be in the NBA! That, or huge
> calluses from dragging them on the ground as he walks...
>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:50:14 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Approximately 10/7/03 12:21, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>> >
>> > > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
>> > > and see what happens.
>> >
>> > Unless you are absolutely certain that there will be no backfiring,
>> > take the extra coupla seconds and put the air cleaner back on. So
>> > far I have only managed to remove all the hair on my arm and face
>> > ignoring this advice... Even if you are certain there will be
>> > no backfiring, I'd still suggest it.
>
>
#77
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Well, I learned early in life not to trust ANYONE when my butt is in
the line of fire - same reason arming crews wouldn't even approach my
a/c unless both of my hands were visible on the canopy rail at all
times. I do use a remote when I'm in the garage or specifically
working on the thing but I don't carry it around for roadside/parking
lot use.
Besides, the MJ fenders are high enough that my poor, well-fed gut
makes it uncomfortable to reach the solenoid for casual use. Another
thing - the solenoid on the 4.0L is on the side opposite from the
mainifolds so even with a screwdriver it's a stretch.
I still have this instant image of Lon -------eagled over the front
end reaching for the key...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:18:10 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> You don't have a starter remote:
> http://store4.yimg.com/I/rodi_1760_59299996 , or use a screwdriver to
> jump the solenoid while working under the hood?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
the line of fire - same reason arming crews wouldn't even approach my
a/c unless both of my hands were visible on the canopy rail at all
times. I do use a remote when I'm in the garage or specifically
working on the thing but I don't carry it around for roadside/parking
lot use.
Besides, the MJ fenders are high enough that my poor, well-fed gut
makes it uncomfortable to reach the solenoid for casual use. Another
thing - the solenoid on the 4.0L is on the side opposite from the
mainifolds so even with a screwdriver it's a stretch.
I still have this instant image of Lon -------eagled over the front
end reaching for the key...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:18:10 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> You don't have a starter remote:
> http://store4.yimg.com/I/rodi_1760_59299996 , or use a screwdriver to
> jump the solenoid while working under the hood?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
#78
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Well, I learned early in life not to trust ANYONE when my butt is in
the line of fire - same reason arming crews wouldn't even approach my
a/c unless both of my hands were visible on the canopy rail at all
times. I do use a remote when I'm in the garage or specifically
working on the thing but I don't carry it around for roadside/parking
lot use.
Besides, the MJ fenders are high enough that my poor, well-fed gut
makes it uncomfortable to reach the solenoid for casual use. Another
thing - the solenoid on the 4.0L is on the side opposite from the
mainifolds so even with a screwdriver it's a stretch.
I still have this instant image of Lon -------eagled over the front
end reaching for the key...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:18:10 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> You don't have a starter remote:
> http://store4.yimg.com/I/rodi_1760_59299996 , or use a screwdriver to
> jump the solenoid while working under the hood?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
the line of fire - same reason arming crews wouldn't even approach my
a/c unless both of my hands were visible on the canopy rail at all
times. I do use a remote when I'm in the garage or specifically
working on the thing but I don't carry it around for roadside/parking
lot use.
Besides, the MJ fenders are high enough that my poor, well-fed gut
makes it uncomfortable to reach the solenoid for casual use. Another
thing - the solenoid on the 4.0L is on the side opposite from the
mainifolds so even with a screwdriver it's a stretch.
I still have this instant image of Lon -------eagled over the front
end reaching for the key...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:18:10 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> You don't have a starter remote:
> http://store4.yimg.com/I/rodi_1760_59299996 , or use a screwdriver to
> jump the solenoid while working under the hood?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
#79
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Well, I learned early in life not to trust ANYONE when my butt is in
the line of fire - same reason arming crews wouldn't even approach my
a/c unless both of my hands were visible on the canopy rail at all
times. I do use a remote when I'm in the garage or specifically
working on the thing but I don't carry it around for roadside/parking
lot use.
Besides, the MJ fenders are high enough that my poor, well-fed gut
makes it uncomfortable to reach the solenoid for casual use. Another
thing - the solenoid on the 4.0L is on the side opposite from the
mainifolds so even with a screwdriver it's a stretch.
I still have this instant image of Lon -------eagled over the front
end reaching for the key...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:18:10 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> You don't have a starter remote:
> http://store4.yimg.com/I/rodi_1760_59299996 , or use a screwdriver to
> jump the solenoid while working under the hood?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
the line of fire - same reason arming crews wouldn't even approach my
a/c unless both of my hands were visible on the canopy rail at all
times. I do use a remote when I'm in the garage or specifically
working on the thing but I don't carry it around for roadside/parking
lot use.
Besides, the MJ fenders are high enough that my poor, well-fed gut
makes it uncomfortable to reach the solenoid for casual use. Another
thing - the solenoid on the 4.0L is on the side opposite from the
mainifolds so even with a screwdriver it's a stretch.
I still have this instant image of Lon -------eagled over the front
end reaching for the key...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:18:10 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> You don't have a starter remote:
> http://store4.yimg.com/I/rodi_1760_59299996 , or use a screwdriver to
> jump the solenoid while working under the hood?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Damn man, I go sit in the drivers seat to start mine!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> and see what happens.
>
> If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> a torn diaphragm on the pump.
The pump is brand new last month.
>
> Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
nope smells like SAE 30
>
> Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
>
> It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> it has had 12 volts.
I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
open while trying to start it.
>
> Mike
Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
new theories.
What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
the coil at a happy 12-13V.
> Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> and see what happens.
>
> If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> a torn diaphragm on the pump.
The pump is brand new last month.
>
> Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
nope smells like SAE 30
>
> Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
>
> It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> it has had 12 volts.
I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
open while trying to start it.
>
> Mike
Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
new theories.
What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
the coil at a happy 12-13V.