Earle Horton

Are they having catfish, or cod? Because I really like catfish, but I am
not so keen on cod.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:bccca$442dce12$4831b233$27279@FUSE.NET...
> You know.....
>
> He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
> there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
> there are wrong size fuses installed..
>
> After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
> common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did
not
> appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner
advised
> was not working properly
>
> Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart
looking
> for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
>
> Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
> know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free
to
> go into depth with things."
>
> Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and
addicts
> and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
>
> Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
> case that says what wire goes where.
> Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone
else
> from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
> Step 3: Throw the bits away
> Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
> before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
> dinner.
>
> If you really want a stock radio:
>
> Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm
meter
> or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
> various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
> Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
> with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
> Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
> Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
> block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
> connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
> across from it.
> Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
> until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit
of
> rotting from within
> Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check
the
> voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
> is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on
and
> the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the
key
> off
> Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
> Step 11: Install it
> Step 12: Enjoy...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> > Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> > it my guess.....
> >
> > I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> > but didn't say it well....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> >> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> >> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >> >
> >> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why
it
> >> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> >> > short there.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
> >> > > that
> >> you
> >> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> >> scales. I
> >> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start
to
> >> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you
with
> >> the
> >> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> >> scary.
> >> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
> >> > > ohm
> >> > > scale that it has.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
> >> > > beeper
> >> on
> >> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
> >> > > the
> >> same
> >> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
> >> > > this
> >> > > application.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
> >> > > light
> >> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that
you
> >> have a
> >> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
> >> > > ground
> >> in an
> >> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
> >> > > house
> >> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >> > >
> >> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> >> light
> >> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of
the
> >> feeds
> >> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
> >> > > rid
> >> of
> >> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now
just
> >> because
> >> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
> >> > > owner
> >> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are
blue,
> >> with
> >> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> >> happened
> >> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
> >> > > is
> >> in
> >> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
> >> > > shorted
> >> > > internally.
> >> > >
> >> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> >> sockets
> >> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it
is
> >> more
> >> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down
the
> >> short.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> > > > Hi all its me again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
> >> > > > shorted
> >> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> >> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
> >> > > > grounds
> >> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
> >> > > > black
> >> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame
or
> >> the
> >> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have
one
> >> and
> >> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be
the
> >> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
> >> > > > black
> >> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
> >> > > > reading
> >> of
> >> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> >> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time
I
> >> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
> >> > > > mostly
> >> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm
almost
> >> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> >> around
> >> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
> >> > > > signal
> >> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in
a
> >> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> >> wrapped
> >> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
> >> > > > go
> >> > > > into depth with things.
> >> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sincerely
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dave
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> >> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
> >> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
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Earle Horton

Are they having catfish, or cod? Because I really like catfish, but I am
not so keen on cod.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:bccca$442dce12$4831b233$27279@FUSE.NET...
> You know.....
>
> He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
> there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
> there are wrong size fuses installed..
>
> After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
> common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did
not
> appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner
advised
> was not working properly
>
> Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart
looking
> for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
>
> Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
> know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free
to
> go into depth with things."
>
> Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and
addicts
> and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
>
> Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
> case that says what wire goes where.
> Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone
else
> from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
> Step 3: Throw the bits away
> Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
> before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
> dinner.
>
> If you really want a stock radio:
>
> Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm
meter
> or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
> various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
> Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
> with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
> Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
> Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
> block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
> connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
> across from it.
> Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
> until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit
of
> rotting from within
> Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check
the
> voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
> is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on
and
> the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the
key
> off
> Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
> Step 11: Install it
> Step 12: Enjoy...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> > Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> > it my guess.....
> >
> > I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> > but didn't say it well....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> >> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> >> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >> >
> >> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why
it
> >> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> >> > short there.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
> >> > > that
> >> you
> >> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> >> scales. I
> >> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start
to
> >> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you
with
> >> the
> >> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> >> scary.
> >> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
> >> > > ohm
> >> > > scale that it has.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
> >> > > beeper
> >> on
> >> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
> >> > > the
> >> same
> >> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
> >> > > this
> >> > > application.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
> >> > > light
> >> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that
you
> >> have a
> >> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
> >> > > ground
> >> in an
> >> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
> >> > > house
> >> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >> > >
> >> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> >> light
> >> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of
the
> >> feeds
> >> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
> >> > > rid
> >> of
> >> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now
just
> >> because
> >> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
> >> > > owner
> >> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are
blue,
> >> with
> >> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> >> happened
> >> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
> >> > > is
> >> in
> >> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
> >> > > shorted
> >> > > internally.
> >> > >
> >> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> >> sockets
> >> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it
is
> >> more
> >> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down
the
> >> short.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> > > > Hi all its me again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
> >> > > > shorted
> >> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> >> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
> >> > > > grounds
> >> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
> >> > > > black
> >> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame
or
> >> the
> >> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have
one
> >> and
> >> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be
the
> >> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
> >> > > > black
> >> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
> >> > > > reading
> >> of
> >> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> >> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time
I
> >> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
> >> > > > mostly
> >> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm
almost
> >> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> >> around
> >> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
> >> > > > signal
> >> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in
a
> >> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> >> wrapped
> >> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
> >> > > > go
> >> > > > into depth with things.
> >> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sincerely
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dave
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> >> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
> >> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
> >>
> >> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> >> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
> >> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
>
>


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Earle Horton

Are they having catfish, or cod? Because I really like catfish, but I am
not so keen on cod.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:bccca$442dce12$4831b233$27279@FUSE.NET...
> You know.....
>
> He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
> there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
> there are wrong size fuses installed..
>
> After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
> common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did
not
> appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner
advised
> was not working properly
>
> Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart
looking
> for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
>
> Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
> know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free
to
> go into depth with things."
>
> Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and
addicts
> and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
>
> Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
> case that says what wire goes where.
> Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone
else
> from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
> Step 3: Throw the bits away
> Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
> before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
> dinner.
>
> If you really want a stock radio:
>
> Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm
meter
> or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
> various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
> Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
> with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
> Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
> Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
> block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
> connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
> across from it.
> Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
> until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit
of
> rotting from within
> Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check
the
> voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
> is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on
and
> the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the
key
> off
> Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
> Step 11: Install it
> Step 12: Enjoy...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> > Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> > it my guess.....
> >
> > I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> > but didn't say it well....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> >> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> >> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >> >
> >> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why
it
> >> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> >> > short there.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
> >> > > that
> >> you
> >> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> >> scales. I
> >> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start
to
> >> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you
with
> >> the
> >> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> >> scary.
> >> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
> >> > > ohm
> >> > > scale that it has.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
> >> > > beeper
> >> on
> >> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
> >> > > the
> >> same
> >> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
> >> > > this
> >> > > application.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
> >> > > light
> >> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that
you
> >> have a
> >> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
> >> > > ground
> >> in an
> >> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
> >> > > house
> >> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >> > >
> >> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> >> light
> >> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of
the
> >> feeds
> >> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
> >> > > rid
> >> of
> >> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now
just
> >> because
> >> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
> >> > > owner
> >> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are
blue,
> >> with
> >> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> >> happened
> >> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
> >> > > is
> >> in
> >> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
> >> > > shorted
> >> > > internally.
> >> > >
> >> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> >> sockets
> >> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it
is
> >> more
> >> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down
the
> >> short.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> > > > Hi all its me again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
> >> > > > shorted
> >> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> >> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
> >> > > > grounds
> >> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
> >> > > > black
> >> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame
or
> >> the
> >> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have
one
> >> and
> >> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be
the
> >> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
> >> > > > black
> >> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
> >> > > > reading
> >> of
> >> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> >> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time
I
> >> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
> >> > > > mostly
> >> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm
almost
> >> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> >> around
> >> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
> >> > > > signal
> >> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in
a
> >> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> >> wrapped
> >> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
> >> > > > go
> >> > > > into depth with things.
> >> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sincerely
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dave
> >> > > >
> >> > >
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"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:442dd998$0$20703$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.c om...
> Are they having catfish, or cod? Because I really like catfish, but I am
> not so keen on cod.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:bccca$442dce12$4831b233$27279@FUSE.NET...
>> You know.....
>>
>> He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the
>> way
>> there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
>> there are wrong size fuses installed..
>>
>> After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
>> common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did
> not
>> appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner
> advised
>> was not working properly
>>
>> Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart
> looking
>> for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
>>
>> Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he
>> doesn't
>> know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
>> with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free
> to
>> go into depth with things."
>>
>> Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and
> addicts
>> and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
>>
>> Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into
>> the
>> case that says what wire goes where.
>> Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone
> else
>> from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
>> Step 3: Throw the bits away
>> Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
>> before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
>> dinner.
>>
>> If you really want a stock radio:
>>
>> Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm
> meter
>> or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
>> various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
>> Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
>> with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
>> Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
>> Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
>> block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
>> connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
>> across from it.
>> Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
>> until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit
> of
>> rotting from within
>> Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check
> the
>> voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the
>> hot
>> is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on
> and
>> the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the
> key
>> off
>> Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
>> Step 11: Install it
>> Step 12: Enjoy...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
>> > Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
>> > it my guess.....
>> >
>> > I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
>> > but didn't say it well....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have
>> >> > seen
>> >> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why
> it
>> >> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find
>> >> > his
>> >> > short there.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> >> > > that
>> >> you
>> >> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> >> scales. I
>> >> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start
> to
>> >> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you
> with
>> >> the
>> >> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> >> scary.
>> >> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the
>> >> > > lowest
>> >> > > ohm
>> >> > > scale that it has.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> >> > > beeper
>> >> on
>> >> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> >> > > the
>> >> same
>> >> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless
>> >> > > in
>> >> > > this
>> >> > > application.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> >> > > light
>> >> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that
> you
>> >> have a
>> >> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> >> > > ground
>> >> in an
>> >> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> >> > > house
>> >> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the
>> >> > > parking
>> >> light
>> >> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of
> the
>> >> feeds
>> >> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> >> > > rid
>> >> of
>> >> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now
> just
>> >> because
>> >> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> >> > > owner
>> >> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are
> blue,
>> >> with
>> >> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts
>> >> > > store
>> >> happened
>> >> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a
>> >> > > short
>> >> > > is
>> >> in
>> >> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> >> > > shorted
>> >> > > internally.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> >> sockets
>> >> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it
> is
>> >> more
>> >> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down
> the
>> >> short.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> >> > > > shorted
>> >> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> >> > > > grounds
>> >> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> >> > > > black
>> >> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame
> or
>> >> the
>> >> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have
> one
>> >> and
>> >> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be
> the
>> >> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> >> > > > black
>> >> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> >> > > > reading
>> >> of
>> >> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every
>> >> > > > time
> I
>> >> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> >> > > > mostly
>> >> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm
> almost
>> >> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> >> around
>> >> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> >> > > > signal
>> >> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in
> a
>> >> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> >> wrapped
>> >> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > go
>> >> > > > into depth with things.
>> >> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sincerely
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Dave
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>> >> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>> >> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
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The church dinners around here usually serve Cod. Catfish fresh from the
lake is always nice in the summer..
pix: 57
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...2309395&idx=57


"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:442dd998$0$20703$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.c om...
> Are they having catfish, or cod? Because I really like catfish, but I am
> not so keen on cod.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:bccca$442dce12$4831b233$27279@FUSE.NET...
>> You know.....
>>
>> He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the
>> way
>> there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
>> there are wrong size fuses installed..
>>
>> After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
>> common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did
> not
>> appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner
> advised
>> was not working properly
>>
>> Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart
> looking
>> for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
>>
>> Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he
>> doesn't
>> know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
>> with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free
> to
>> go into depth with things."
>>
>> Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and
> addicts
>> and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
>>
>> Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into
>> the
>> case that says what wire goes where.
>> Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone
> else
>> from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
>> Step 3: Throw the bits away
>> Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
>> before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
>> dinner.
>>
>> If you really want a stock radio:
>>
>> Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm
> meter
>> or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
>> various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
>> Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
>> with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
>> Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
>> Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
>> block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
>> connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
>> across from it.
>> Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
>> until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit
> of
>> rotting from within
>> Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check
> the
>> voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the
>> hot
>> is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on
> and
>> the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the
> key
>> off
>> Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
>> Step 11: Install it
>> Step 12: Enjoy...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
>> > Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
>> > it my guess.....
>> >
>> > I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
>> > but didn't say it well....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have
>> >> > seen
>> >> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why
> it
>> >> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find
>> >> > his
>> >> > short there.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> >> > > that
>> >> you
>> >> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> >> scales. I
>> >> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start
> to
>> >> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you
> with
>> >> the
>> >> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> >> scary.
>> >> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the
>> >> > > lowest
>> >> > > ohm
>> >> > > scale that it has.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> >> > > beeper
>> >> on
>> >> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> >> > > the
>> >> same
>> >> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless
>> >> > > in
>> >> > > this
>> >> > > application.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> >> > > light
>> >> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that
> you
>> >> have a
>> >> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> >> > > ground
>> >> in an
>> >> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> >> > > house
>> >> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the
>> >> > > parking
>> >> light
>> >> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of
> the
>> >> feeds
>> >> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> >> > > rid
>> >> of
>> >> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now
> just
>> >> because
>> >> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> >> > > owner
>> >> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are
> blue,
>> >> with
>> >> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts
>> >> > > store
>> >> happened
>> >> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a
>> >> > > short
>> >> > > is
>> >> in
>> >> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> >> > > shorted
>> >> > > internally.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> >> sockets
>> >> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it
> is
>> >> more
>> >> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down
> the
>> >> short.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> >> > > > shorted
>> >> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> >> > > > grounds
>> >> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> >> > > > black
>> >> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame
> or
>> >> the
>> >> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have
> one
>> >> and
>> >> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be
> the
>> >> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> >> > > > black
>> >> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> >> > > > reading
>> >> of
>> >> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every
>> >> > > > time
> I
>> >> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> >> > > > mostly
>> >> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm
> almost
>> >> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> >> around
>> >> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> >> > > > signal
>> >> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in
> a
>> >> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> >> wrapped
>> >> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > go
>> >> > > > into depth with things.
>> >> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sincerely
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Dave
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>> >> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>> >> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
>> >>
>> >> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>> >> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>> >> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
>>
>>
>
>
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billy ray

The church dinners around here usually serve Cod. Catfish fresh from the
lake is always nice in the summer..
pix: 57
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...2309395&idx=57


"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:442dd998$0$20703$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.c om...
> Are they having catfish, or cod? Because I really like catfish, but I am
> not so keen on cod.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:bccca$442dce12$4831b233$27279@FUSE.NET...
>> You know.....
>>
>> He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the
>> way
>> there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
>> there are wrong size fuses installed..
>>
>> After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
>> common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did
> not
>> appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner
> advised
>> was not working properly
>>
>> Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart
> looking
>> for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
>>
>> Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he
>> doesn't
>> know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
>> with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free
> to
>> go into depth with things."
>>
>> Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and
> addicts
>> and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
>>
>> Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into
>> the
>> case that says what wire goes where.
>> Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone
> else
>> from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
>> Step 3: Throw the bits away
>> Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
>> before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
>> dinner.
>>
>> If you really want a stock radio:
>>
>> Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm
> meter
>> or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
>> various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
>> Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
>> with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
>> Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
>> Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
>> block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
>> connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
>> across from it.
>> Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
>> until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit
> of
>> rotting from within
>> Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check
> the
>> voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the
>> hot
>> is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on
> and
>> the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the
> key
>> off
>> Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
>> Step 11: Install it
>> Step 12: Enjoy...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
>> > Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
>> > it my guess.....
>> >
>> > I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
>> > but didn't say it well....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have
>> >> > seen
>> >> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why
> it
>> >> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find
>> >> > his
>> >> > short there.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> >> > > that
>> >> you
>> >> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> >> scales. I
>> >> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start
> to
>> >> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you
> with
>> >> the
>> >> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> >> scary.
>> >> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the
>> >> > > lowest
>> >> > > ohm
>> >> > > scale that it has.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> >> > > beeper
>> >> on
>> >> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> >> > > the
>> >> same
>> >> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless
>> >> > > in
>> >> > > this
>> >> > > application.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> >> > > light
>> >> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that
> you
>> >> have a
>> >> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> >> > > ground
>> >> in an
>> >> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> >> > > house
>> >> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the
>> >> > > parking
>> >> light
>> >> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of
> the
>> >> feeds
>> >> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> >> > > rid
>> >> of
>> >> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now
> just
>> >> because
>> >> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> >> > > owner
>> >> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are
> blue,
>> >> with
>> >> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts
>> >> > > store
>> >> happened
>> >> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a
>> >> > > short
>> >> > > is
>> >> in
>> >> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> >> > > shorted
>> >> > > internally.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> >> sockets
>> >> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it
> is
>> >> more
>> >> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down
> the
>> >> short.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> >> > > > shorted
>> >> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> >> > > > grounds
>> >> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> >> > > > black
>> >> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame
> or
>> >> the
>> >> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have
> one
>> >> and
>> >> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be
> the
>> >> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> >> > > > black
>> >> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> >> > > > reading
>> >> of
>> >> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every
>> >> > > > time
> I
>> >> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> >> > > > mostly
>> >> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm
> almost
>> >> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> >> around
>> >> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> >> > > > signal
>> >> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in
> a
>> >> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> >> wrapped
>> >> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > go
>> >> > > > into depth with things.
>> >> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sincerely
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Dave
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
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Dave G

Nope it does not have a trailer hitch. The Fuse still pops with the
radio un plugged. The night I drove the vehicle with the headlights on
the radio was plugged in sitting on the passenger seat it was just not
mounted in the dash. Again I don't think the radio is the problem cause
even with it un-plugged it still blows a fuse. The only thing I can
think of is a dead short but, how would I isolate it with the meter to
know if its screwed up in the front or in the back. Like I said before
I'm not good with elecricity. This is the first time I've encounter
these kinds of problems, I never had these problems before in any of
the previous vehicles I've owned. Heres a few pics to show you guys
some of the things I'm talking about, and dealing with.

Pic 1 is of the wire on the radio harness "That is not used" and of
where the wire was cut and my repair job.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sotzqx

Pic 2 is of the wiring harness that is used and the one that is not
used.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sou3di

Pic 3 There is an orange wire that is coming off of a part I have no
idea what it is. The wire is real thin and oranage and ends at nothing
next to my gas pedal.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=souw4m

Pic 4 Here you'll see where the orange wire from pic 3 ends up and does
anyone know what that connector is by the gas pedal? It has 3 black
with white stripes going into it, it breaks off from the main harness
that goes to the computer?

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sov68x

Pic 5 Is My Nightmare!!!

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sovb5j

Thanks you all for the help and thanks for the ridicule (I'm glad some
people finds this ammusing)
I'll figure it out, some way.

Sincerely

Dave

Dave G

Nope it does not have a trailer hitch. The Fuse still pops with the
radio un plugged. The night I drove the vehicle with the headlights on
the radio was plugged in sitting on the passenger seat it was just not
mounted in the dash. Again I don't think the radio is the problem cause
even with it un-plugged it still blows a fuse. The only thing I can
think of is a dead short but, how would I isolate it with the meter to
know if its screwed up in the front or in the back. Like I said before
I'm not good with elecricity. This is the first time I've encounter
these kinds of problems, I never had these problems before in any of
the previous vehicles I've owned. Heres a few pics to show you guys
some of the things I'm talking about, and dealing with.

Pic 1 is of the wire on the radio harness "That is not used" and of
where the wire was cut and my repair job.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sotzqx

Pic 2 is of the wiring harness that is used and the one that is not
used.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sou3di

Pic 3 There is an orange wire that is coming off of a part I have no
idea what it is. The wire is real thin and oranage and ends at nothing
next to my gas pedal.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=souw4m

Pic 4 Here you'll see where the orange wire from pic 3 ends up and does
anyone know what that connector is by the gas pedal? It has 3 black
with white stripes going into it, it breaks off from the main harness
that goes to the computer?

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sov68x

Pic 5 Is My Nightmare!!!

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sovb5j

Thanks you all for the help and thanks for the ridicule (I'm glad some
people finds this ammusing)
I'll figure it out, some way.

Sincerely

Dave

Dave G

Nope it does not have a trailer hitch. The Fuse still pops with the
radio un plugged. The night I drove the vehicle with the headlights on
the radio was plugged in sitting on the passenger seat it was just not
mounted in the dash. Again I don't think the radio is the problem cause
even with it un-plugged it still blows a fuse. The only thing I can
think of is a dead short but, how would I isolate it with the meter to
know if its screwed up in the front or in the back. Like I said before
I'm not good with elecricity. This is the first time I've encounter
these kinds of problems, I never had these problems before in any of
the previous vehicles I've owned. Heres a few pics to show you guys
some of the things I'm talking about, and dealing with.

Pic 1 is of the wire on the radio harness "That is not used" and of
where the wire was cut and my repair job.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sotzqx

Pic 2 is of the wiring harness that is used and the one that is not
used.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sou3di

Pic 3 There is an orange wire that is coming off of a part I have no
idea what it is. The wire is real thin and oranage and ends at nothing
next to my gas pedal.

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=souw4m

Pic 4 Here you'll see where the orange wire from pic 3 ends up and does
anyone know what that connector is by the gas pedal? It has 3 black
with white stripes going into it, it breaks off from the main harness
that goes to the computer?

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sov68x

Pic 5 Is My Nightmare!!!

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sovb5j

Thanks you all for the help and thanks for the ridicule (I'm glad some
people finds this ammusing)
I'll figure it out, some way.

Sincerely

Dave

billy ray

Does your oil pressure gauge work?

"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143863093.633033.47400@g10g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Nope it does not have a trailer hitch. The Fuse still pops with the
> radio un plugged. The night I drove the vehicle with the headlights on
> the radio was plugged in sitting on the passenger seat it was just not
> mounted in the dash. Again I don't think the radio is the problem cause
> even with it un-plugged it still blows a fuse. The only thing I can
> think of is a dead short but, how would I isolate it with the meter to
> know if its screwed up in the front or in the back. Like I said before
> I'm not good with elecricity. This is the first time I've encounter
> these kinds of problems, I never had these problems before in any of
> the previous vehicles I've owned. Heres a few pics to show you guys
> some of the things I'm talking about, and dealing with.
>
> Pic 1 is of the wire on the radio harness "That is not used" and of
> where the wire was cut and my repair job.
>
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sotzqx
>
> Pic 2 is of the wiring harness that is used and the one that is not
> used.
>
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sou3di
>
> Pic 3 There is an orange wire that is coming off of a part I have no
> idea what it is. The wire is real thin and oranage and ends at nothing
> next to my gas pedal.
>
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=souw4m
>
> Pic 4 Here you'll see where the orange wire from pic 3 ends up and does
> anyone know what that connector is by the gas pedal? It has 3 black
> with white stripes going into it, it breaks off from the main harness
> that goes to the computer?
>
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sov68x
>
> Pic 5 Is My Nightmare!!!
>
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sovb5j
>
> Thanks you all for the help and thanks for the ridicule (I'm glad some
> people finds this ammusing)
> I'll figure it out, some way.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave
>