86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
03-31-2006, 04:59 PM
#21
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that you
actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps scales. I
suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with the
meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less scary.
For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
scale that it has.
Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper on
that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the same
way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
application.
If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you have a
dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground in an
automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking light
wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the feeds
or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid of
that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just because
a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue, with
black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store happened
to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is in
the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
internally.
You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light sockets
of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is more
effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the short.
Earle
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all its me again.
>
> I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> into depth with things.
> This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave
>
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actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps scales. I
suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with the
meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less scary.
For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
scale that it has.
Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper on
that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the same
way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
application.
If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you have a
dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground in an
automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking light
wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the feeds
or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid of
that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just because
a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue, with
black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store happened
to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is in
the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
internally.
You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light sockets
of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is more
effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the short.
Earle
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all its me again.
>
> I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> into depth with things.
> This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave
>
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03-31-2006, 04:59 PM
#22
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that you
actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps scales. I
suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with the
meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less scary.
For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
scale that it has.
Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper on
that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the same
way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
application.
If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you have a
dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground in an
automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking light
wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the feeds
or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid of
that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just because
a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue, with
black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store happened
to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is in
the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
internally.
You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light sockets
of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is more
effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the short.
Earle
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all its me again.
>
> I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> into depth with things.
> This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave
>
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actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps scales. I
suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with the
meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less scary.
For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
scale that it has.
Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper on
that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the same
way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
application.
If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you have a
dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground in an
automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking light
wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the feeds
or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid of
that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just because
a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue, with
black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store happened
to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is in
the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
internally.
You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light sockets
of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is more
effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the short.
Earle
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all its me again.
>
> I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> into depth with things.
> This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave
>
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03-31-2006, 06:17 PM
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> use it here and there. Seriously...
>
> I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> short there.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
you
> > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
scales. I
> > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
the
> > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
scary.
> > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > scale that it has.
> >
> > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
on
> > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
same
> > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > application.
> >
> > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
have a
> > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
in an
> > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >
> > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
light
> > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
feeds
> > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
of
> > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
because
> > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
with
> > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
happened
> > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
in
> > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > internally.
> >
> > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
sockets
> > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
more
> > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
short.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > Hi all its me again.
> > >
> > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
the
> > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
and
> > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
of
> > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
around
> > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
wrapped
> > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > into depth with things.
> > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
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Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> use it here and there. Seriously...
>
> I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> short there.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
you
> > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
scales. I
> > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
the
> > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
scary.
> > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > scale that it has.
> >
> > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
on
> > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
same
> > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > application.
> >
> > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
have a
> > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
in an
> > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >
> > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
light
> > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
feeds
> > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
of
> > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
because
> > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
with
> > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
happened
> > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
in
> > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > internally.
> >
> > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
sockets
> > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
more
> > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
short.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > Hi all its me again.
> > >
> > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
the
> > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
and
> > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
of
> > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
around
> > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
wrapped
> > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > into depth with things.
> > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
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03-31-2006, 06:17 PM
#24
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> use it here and there. Seriously...
>
> I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> short there.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
you
> > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
scales. I
> > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
the
> > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
scary.
> > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > scale that it has.
> >
> > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
on
> > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
same
> > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > application.
> >
> > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
have a
> > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
in an
> > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >
> > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
light
> > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
feeds
> > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
of
> > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
because
> > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
with
> > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
happened
> > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
in
> > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > internally.
> >
> > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
sockets
> > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
more
> > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
short.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > Hi all its me again.
> > >
> > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
the
> > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
and
> > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
of
> > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
around
> > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
wrapped
> > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > into depth with things.
> > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
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Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> use it here and there. Seriously...
>
> I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> short there.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
you
> > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
scales. I
> > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
the
> > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
scary.
> > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > scale that it has.
> >
> > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
on
> > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
same
> > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > application.
> >
> > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
have a
> > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
in an
> > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >
> > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
light
> > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
feeds
> > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
of
> > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
because
> > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
with
> > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
happened
> > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
in
> > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > internally.
> >
> > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
sockets
> > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
more
> > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
short.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > Hi all its me again.
> > >
> > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
the
> > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
and
> > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
of
> > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
around
> > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
wrapped
> > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > into depth with things.
> > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
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03-31-2006, 06:17 PM
#25
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> use it here and there. Seriously...
>
> I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> short there.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
you
> > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
scales. I
> > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
the
> > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
scary.
> > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > scale that it has.
> >
> > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
on
> > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
same
> > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > application.
> >
> > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
have a
> > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
in an
> > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >
> > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
light
> > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
feeds
> > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
of
> > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
because
> > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
with
> > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
happened
> > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
in
> > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > internally.
> >
> > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
sockets
> > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
more
> > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
short.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > Hi all its me again.
> > >
> > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
the
> > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
and
> > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
of
> > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
around
> > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
wrapped
> > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > into depth with things.
> > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
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Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> use it here and there. Seriously...
>
> I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> short there.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
you
> > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
scales. I
> > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
the
> > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
scary.
> > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > scale that it has.
> >
> > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
on
> > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
same
> > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > application.
> >
> > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
have a
> > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
in an
> > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> >
> > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
light
> > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
feeds
> > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
of
> > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
because
> > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
with
> > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
happened
> > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
in
> > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > internally.
> >
> > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
sockets
> > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
more
> > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
short.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > Hi all its me again.
> > >
> > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
the
> > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
and
> > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
of
> > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
around
> > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
wrapped
> > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > into depth with things.
> > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
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03-31-2006, 06:19 PM
#26
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
it my guess.....
I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
but didn't say it well....
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >
> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> > short there.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
> you
> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> scales. I
> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
> the
> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> scary.
> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > > scale that it has.
> > >
> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
> on
> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
> same
> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > > application.
> > >
> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
> have a
> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
> in an
> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> > >
> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> light
> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
> feeds
> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
> of
> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
> because
> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
> with
> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> happened
> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
> in
> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > > internally.
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> sockets
> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
> more
> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
> short.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > Hi all its me again.
> > > >
> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
> the
> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
> and
> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
> of
> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> around
> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> wrapped
> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > > into depth with things.
> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > >
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it my guess.....
I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
but didn't say it well....
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >
> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> > short there.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
> you
> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> scales. I
> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
> the
> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> scary.
> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > > scale that it has.
> > >
> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
> on
> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
> same
> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > > application.
> > >
> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
> have a
> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
> in an
> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> > >
> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> light
> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
> feeds
> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
> of
> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
> because
> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
> with
> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> happened
> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
> in
> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > > internally.
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> sockets
> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
> more
> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
> short.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > Hi all its me again.
> > > >
> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
> the
> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
> and
> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
> of
> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> around
> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> wrapped
> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > > into depth with things.
> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > >
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03-31-2006, 06:19 PM
#27
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
it my guess.....
I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
but didn't say it well....
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >
> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> > short there.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
> you
> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> scales. I
> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
> the
> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> scary.
> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > > scale that it has.
> > >
> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
> on
> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
> same
> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > > application.
> > >
> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
> have a
> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
> in an
> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> > >
> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> light
> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
> feeds
> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
> of
> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
> because
> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
> with
> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> happened
> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
> in
> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > > internally.
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> sockets
> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
> more
> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
> short.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > Hi all its me again.
> > > >
> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
> the
> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
> and
> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
> of
> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> around
> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> wrapped
> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > > into depth with things.
> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > >
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it my guess.....
I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
but didn't say it well....
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >
> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> > short there.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
> you
> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> scales. I
> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
> the
> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> scary.
> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > > scale that it has.
> > >
> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
> on
> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
> same
> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > > application.
> > >
> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
> have a
> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
> in an
> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> > >
> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> light
> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
> feeds
> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
> of
> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
> because
> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
> with
> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> happened
> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
> in
> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > > internally.
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> sockets
> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
> more
> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
> short.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > Hi all its me again.
> > > >
> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
> the
> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
> and
> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
> of
> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> around
> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> wrapped
> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > > into depth with things.
> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > >
> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
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03-31-2006, 06:19 PM
#28
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
it my guess.....
I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
but didn't say it well....
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >
> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> > short there.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
> you
> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> scales. I
> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
> the
> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> scary.
> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > > scale that it has.
> > >
> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
> on
> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
> same
> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > > application.
> > >
> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
> have a
> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
> in an
> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> > >
> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> light
> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
> feeds
> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
> of
> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
> because
> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
> with
> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> happened
> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
> in
> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > > internally.
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> sockets
> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
> more
> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
> short.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > Hi all its me again.
> > > >
> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
> the
> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
> and
> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
> of
> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> around
> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> wrapped
> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > > into depth with things.
> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > >
> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
>
> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***
it my guess.....
I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
but didn't say it well....
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
> > use it here and there. Seriously...
> >
> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
> > short there.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that
> you
> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
> scales. I
> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
> the
> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
> scary.
> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> > > scale that it has.
> > >
> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper
> on
> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the
> same
> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> > > application.
> > >
> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
> have a
> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground
> in an
> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
> > >
> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
> light
> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
> feeds
> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid
> of
> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
> because
> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
> with
> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
> happened
> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is
> in
> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> > > internally.
> > >
> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
> sockets
> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
> more
> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
> short.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > Hi all its me again.
> > > >
> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
> the
> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
> and
> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading
> of
> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
> around
> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
> wrapped
> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > > > into depth with things.
> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > >
> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
>
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03-31-2006, 07:29 PM
#29
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
not very helpful.
Dave
aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
not very helpful.
Dave
03-31-2006, 07:29 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
not very helpful.
Dave
aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
not very helpful.
Dave