Dave G

Oh yeah I did find the main ground coming off the back off the block to
the firewall, it looked ok but I took it off and cleaned it up just to
be sure, I did this before I tried the new fuse with the instrument
gages out, no luck.

Dave

Dave G

Oh yeah I did find the main ground coming off the back off the block to
the firewall, it looked ok but I took it off and cleaned it up just to
be sure, I did this before I tried the new fuse with the instrument
gages out, no luck.

Dave

Dave G

Oh yeah I did find the main ground coming off the back off the block to
the firewall, it looked ok but I took it off and cleaned it up just to
be sure, I did this before I tried the new fuse with the instrument
gages out, no luck.

Dave

Mike Romain

For starters I would get that radio out of there and then see what
happens.

Mike

Dave G wrote:
>
> Hi all its me again.
>
> I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> into depth with things.
> This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave

Mike Romain

For starters I would get that radio out of there and then see what
happens.

Mike

Dave G wrote:
>
> Hi all its me again.
>
> I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> into depth with things.
> This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave

Mike Romain

For starters I would get that radio out of there and then see what
happens.

Mike

Dave G wrote:
>
> Hi all its me again.
>
> I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> into depth with things.
> This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave

Mike Romain

The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
use it here and there. Seriously...

I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
short there.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that you
> actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps scales. I
> suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with the
> meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less scary.
> For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> scale that it has.
>
> Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper on
> that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the same
> way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> application.
>
> If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you have a
> dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground in an
> automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>
> In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking light
> wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the feeds
> or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid of
> that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just because
> a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue, with
> black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store happened
> to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is in
> the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> internally.
>
> You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light sockets
> of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is more
> effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the short.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > Hi all its me again.
> >
> > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > into depth with things.
> > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
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Mike Romain

The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
use it here and there. Seriously...

I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
short there.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that you
> actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps scales. I
> suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with the
> meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less scary.
> For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> scale that it has.
>
> Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper on
> that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the same
> way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> application.
>
> If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you have a
> dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground in an
> automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>
> In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking light
> wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the feeds
> or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid of
> that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just because
> a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue, with
> black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store happened
> to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is in
> the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> internally.
>
> You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light sockets
> of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is more
> effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the short.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > Hi all its me again.
> >
> > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > into depth with things.
> > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
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Mike Romain

The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
use it here and there. Seriously...

I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
short there.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that you
> actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps scales. I
> suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
> finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with the
> meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less scary.
> For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
> scale that it has.
>
> Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper on
> that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the same
> way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
> application.
>
> If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
> circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you have a
> dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground in an
> automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
> wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>
> In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking light
> wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the feeds
> or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid of
> that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just because
> a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
> might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue, with
> black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store happened
> to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is in
> the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
> internally.
>
> You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light sockets
> of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is more
> effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the short.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > Hi all its me again.
> >
> > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> > into depth with things.
> > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
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Earle Horton

There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume that you
actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps scales. I
suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with the
meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less scary.
For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest ohm
scale that it has.

Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a beeper on
that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is the same
way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in this
application.

If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking light
circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you have a
dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually ground in an
automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example, house
wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.

In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking light
wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the feeds
or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get rid of
that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just because
a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous owner
might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue, with
black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store happened
to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short is in
the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is shorted
internally.

You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light sockets
of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is more
effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the short.

Earle

"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi all its me again.
>
> I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be shorted
> I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
> headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the grounds
> at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a black
> wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or the
> battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one and
> when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
> parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the black
> wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a reading of
> either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
> circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
> turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all mostly
> mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
> clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed around
> with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the signal
> lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
> plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was wrapped
> in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to go
> into depth with things.
> This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave
>



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