Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
Did you see Bill's list?
http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt

JimG

"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to replace
the
> D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
>
> Terry.
>
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be replaced.
My
> > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front and
> > rear.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> replace
> > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
because
> I
> > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the side
> and
> > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > >
> > > Terry 92YJ
> > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
that.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > JimG
> > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > >
> > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front. I
> > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
4.56
> > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
gears
> in
> > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
gears
> > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like I'm
> > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
4.56
> to
> > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
Did you see Bill's list?
http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt

JimG

"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to replace
the
> D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
>
> Terry.
>
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be replaced.
My
> > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front and
> > rear.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> replace
> > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
because
> I
> > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the side
> and
> > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > >
> > > Terry 92YJ
> > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
that.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > JimG
> > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > >
> > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front. I
> > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
4.56
> > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
gears
> in
> > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
gears
> > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like I'm
> > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
4.56
> to
> > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in any
Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's non-reverse
cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.

--
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> Did you see Bill's list?
> http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to replace
> the
> > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be replaced.
> My
> > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
and
> > > rear.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > replace
> > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> because
> > I
> > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
side
> > and
> > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > >
> > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> that.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > JimG
> > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front. I
> > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> 4.56
> > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> gears
> > in
> > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> gears
> > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
I'm
> > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> 4.56
> > to
> > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in any
Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's non-reverse
cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.

--
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> Did you see Bill's list?
> http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to replace
> the
> > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be replaced.
> My
> > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
and
> > > rear.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > replace
> > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> because
> > I
> > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
side
> > and
> > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > >
> > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> that.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > JimG
> > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front. I
> > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> 4.56
> > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> gears
> > in
> > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> gears
> > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
I'm
> > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> 4.56
> > to
> > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in any
Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's non-reverse
cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.

--
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> Did you see Bill's list?
> http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to replace
> the
> > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be replaced.
> My
> > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
and
> > > rear.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > replace
> > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> because
> > I
> > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
side
> > and
> > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > >
> > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> that.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > JimG
> > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front. I
> > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> 4.56
> > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> gears
> > in
> > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> gears
> > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
I'm
> > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> 4.56
> > to
> > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

I agree with you, Jerry.

JimG

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:i9IHb.31792$gN.19187@fed1read05...
> I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in
any
> Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
> etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's
non-reverse
> cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
> carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

I agree with you, Jerry.

JimG

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:i9IHb.31792$gN.19187@fed1read05...
> I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in
any
> Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
> etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's
non-reverse
> cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
> carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

I agree with you, Jerry.

JimG

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:i9IHb.31792$gN.19187@fed1read05...
> I can't imagine going from 3.07 to 4.56 without needing a new carrier in
any
> Dana axle. I believe any ratio 3.73 or lower (lower meaning 4.10, 4.56,
> etc.) needs a new carrier, even in something that old. My TJ's
non-reverse
> cut D30 sure did when I went from 3.55 to 4.10... but I kept the same
> carrier when converting from 4.10 to 4.88 earlier this year.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> > I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> > Did you see Bill's list?
> > http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to
replace
> > the
> > > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> > >
> > > Terry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be
replaced.
> > My
> > > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
> and
> > > > rear.
> > > >
> > > > JimG
> > > >
> > > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > > replace
> > > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> > because
> > > I
> > > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
> side
> > > and
> > > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > JimG
> > > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front.
I
> > > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> > 4.56
> > > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> > gears
> > > in
> > > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> > gears
> > > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
> I'm
> > > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> > 4.56
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

Jim,

Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that you
will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a LockRight
at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the spider
and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider and
side gears are specifically for a given gearing.

Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the roll
pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into the
carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
D30, and all was well.

Thanks,
Terry.


"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> Did you see Bill's list?
> http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to replace
> the
> > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be replaced.
> My
> > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
and
> > > rear.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > replace
> > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> because
> > I
> > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
side
> > and
> > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > >
> > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> that.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > JimG
> > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front. I
> > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> 4.56
> > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> gears
> > in
> > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> gears
> > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
I'm
> > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> 4.56
> > to
> > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: 4.56 gears in a Dana 30 front
 

Jim,

Yes, I saw Bill's list, and believe it to be absolutely correct -- that you
will have to replace the carrier in most cases. But I'm also sure that
replacing the carrier is not necessary if one is to also install a LockRight
at the same time, since installation of the LockRight replaces the spider
and side gears that live inside the carrier. These new LockRight spider and
side gears are specifically for a given gearing.

Taking out the stock carrier, I removed the 3.07 ring gear, removed the roll
pin & cross shaft, dropped out the old spider/side gears, bolted the new
4.56 ring gear down on the stock carrier, installed the LockRight into the
carrier (with the new spider/side gears), reinstalled the carrier in the
D30, and all was well.

Thanks,
Terry.


"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:x3IHb.32188$HR4.13579@news01.roc.ny...
> I don't think there is any difference - all internal parts are the same.
> Did you see Bill's list?
> http://www.----------.com/tooth_count.txt
>
> JimG
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zLHHb.22523$Pg1.19236@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> > My original gear was 3.07 too, but I'm certain I did not have to replace
> the
> > D30 carrier in conjunction with using the LockRite. Maybe this is a
> > difference in the stock '80 vs '92 D30?
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:FzHHb.32183$iN4.2074@news01.roc.ny...
> > > If original gear is higher that 3.73, the carrier has to be replaced.
> My
> > > original gear was 3.07. I had to replace the carriers in both front
and
> > > rear.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:XZFHb.22399$Pg1.9205@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> > > > It's been a few years, but thinking back I'm sure I didn't have to
> > replace
> > > > the entire reverse-cut D30 carrier when I installed the 4.56 R&P
> because
> > I
> > > > installed a LockRight locker at the same time, which replaces the
side
> > and
> > > > spider gears. Didn't your LockRight install go this way too?
> > > >
> > > > Terry 92YJ
> > > > (now running dual D60s w/Detroits)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:pdFHb.32159$Wc4.17075@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > > You will have to get a new carrier for the D30, been there, done
> that.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > JimG
> > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom P." <TPatzlaff@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:dd809f71.0312281017.6ee22391@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > > I have an "88" wrangler with a Dana 35 rear and Dana 30 front. I
> > > > > > currently have 3.55 gears in both diffs. and would like to put
> 4.56
> > > > > > gears in both.
> > > > > > The literature I can find says that if I have 3.55 or lower
> gears
> > in
> > > > > > the D35, I will be ok. But what I need to know is if the 4.56
> gears
> > > > > > will fit in the D30 case? From what I can find it sounds like
I'm
> > > > > > going to need a housing with 3.73 or lower gears in it for the
> 4.56
> > to
> > > > > > fit.I need to find out the real answer.
> > > > > > Has anyone out there put 4.56 gears in these size housings?
> > > > > > Any help or advice would be great.
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>