Marc Masnor

Bill,

Good call on the sync rings. I called today and was told that two of the
rings just replaced the first week of September (2004) were causing the
shifting problems. I hope to get the TJ tomorrow evening. I'll never go to
that Chrysler service location again.

I also hope they don't overfill the transmission this time. I was still
smelling fluid smoking off of the exhaust pipe and muffler when I took it
back last week. And I had degreased and washed the entire under carriage.

Five star service, they say.

--
Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:415A24B2.E82D524E@***.net...
> I believe if it's shifting properly in through the other gears,
> that kind of lets any other adjustment out, they probably save a buck
> and put your old sync ring back in for that gear.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Marc Masnor wrote:
>>
>> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
>> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
>> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
>> no
>> cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
>> the
>> warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
>> warranty)
>>
>> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
>> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
>> be
>> working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up into
>> 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one tooth
>> grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up into
>> 4th
>> and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be synchronized.
>>
>> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
>> get
>> it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust the
>> clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
>> --
>> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil

Marc Masnor

Bill,

Good call on the sync rings. I called today and was told that two of the
rings just replaced the first week of September (2004) were causing the
shifting problems. I hope to get the TJ tomorrow evening. I'll never go to
that Chrysler service location again.

I also hope they don't overfill the transmission this time. I was still
smelling fluid smoking off of the exhaust pipe and muffler when I took it
back last week. And I had degreased and washed the entire under carriage.

Five star service, they say.

--
Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:415A24B2.E82D524E@***.net...
> I believe if it's shifting properly in through the other gears,
> that kind of lets any other adjustment out, they probably save a buck
> and put your old sync ring back in for that gear.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Marc Masnor wrote:
>>
>> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
>> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
>> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
>> no
>> cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
>> the
>> warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
>> warranty)
>>
>> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
>> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
>> be
>> working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up into
>> 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one tooth
>> grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up into
>> 4th
>> and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be synchronized.
>>
>> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
>> get
>> it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust the
>> clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
>> --
>> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil

Marc Masnor

Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
essentially at an end.

The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync problem
was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put in
the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the source
of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is out (back
to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are drastically reduced, but
still present. None of us can figure out why, but the PowerTrax will have
to stay out and I am probably going to live with the remaining sync
symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting into second and a
barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still annoying, but it's not worth
the pain of going back to the dealer (30 miles - warranty) and the lack of
the Jeep for about three weeks (cumulative).

After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of commuting
anyway.

The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings, some
more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the rear
diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft did not
eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not eliminated
the problems.

Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
problems.

--
Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil


"Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
> warranty)
>
> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be synchronized.
>
> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to get
> it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust the
> clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> --
> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>
>
>

Marc Masnor

Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
essentially at an end.

The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync problem
was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put in
the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the source
of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is out (back
to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are drastically reduced, but
still present. None of us can figure out why, but the PowerTrax will have
to stay out and I am probably going to live with the remaining sync
symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting into second and a
barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still annoying, but it's not worth
the pain of going back to the dealer (30 miles - warranty) and the lack of
the Jeep for about three weeks (cumulative).

After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of commuting
anyway.

The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings, some
more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the rear
diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft did not
eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not eliminated
the problems.

Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
problems.

--
Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil


"Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
> warranty)
>
> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be synchronized.
>
> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to get
> it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust the
> clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> --
> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>
>
>

Marc Masnor

Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
essentially at an end.

The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync problem
was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put in
the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the source
of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is out (back
to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are drastically reduced, but
still present. None of us can figure out why, but the PowerTrax will have
to stay out and I am probably going to live with the remaining sync
symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting into second and a
barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still annoying, but it's not worth
the pain of going back to the dealer (30 miles - warranty) and the lack of
the Jeep for about three weeks (cumulative).

After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of commuting
anyway.

The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings, some
more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the rear
diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft did not
eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not eliminated
the problems.

Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
problems.

--
Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil


"Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
> warranty)
>
> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be synchronized.
>
> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to get
> it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust the
> clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> --
> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>
>
>

SoK66

Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
from clashing, particularly when cold.

"Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:GB%Cd.78947$Ix2.18655@okepread02...
> Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
> essentially at an end.
>
> The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync problem
> was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put in
> the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the
> source of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is
> out (back to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are drastically
> reduced, but still present. None of us can figure out why, but the
> PowerTrax will have to stay out and I am probably going to live with the
> remaining sync symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting
> into second and a barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still
> annoying, but it's not worth the pain of going back to the dealer (30
> miles - warranty) and the lack of the Jeep for about three weeks
> (cumulative).
>
> After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
> alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of
> commuting anyway.
>
> The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings,
> some more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the
> rear diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft
> did not eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not
> eliminated the problems.
>
> Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
> problems.
>
> --
> Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
>> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
>> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
>> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
>> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
>> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
>> warranty)
>>
>> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
>> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
>> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
>> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
>> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
>> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
>> synchronized.
>>
>> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
>> get it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
>> the clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the
>> transmission?
>> --
>> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>>
>>
>>
>
>

SoK66

Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
from clashing, particularly when cold.

"Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:GB%Cd.78947$Ix2.18655@okepread02...
> Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
> essentially at an end.
>
> The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync problem
> was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put in
> the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the
> source of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is
> out (back to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are drastically
> reduced, but still present. None of us can figure out why, but the
> PowerTrax will have to stay out and I am probably going to live with the
> remaining sync symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting
> into second and a barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still
> annoying, but it's not worth the pain of going back to the dealer (30
> miles - warranty) and the lack of the Jeep for about three weeks
> (cumulative).
>
> After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
> alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of
> commuting anyway.
>
> The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings,
> some more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the
> rear diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft
> did not eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not
> eliminated the problems.
>
> Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
> problems.
>
> --
> Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
>> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
>> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
>> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
>> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
>> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
>> warranty)
>>
>> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
>> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
>> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
>> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
>> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
>> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
>> synchronized.
>>
>> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
>> get it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
>> the clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the
>> transmission?
>> --
>> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>>
>>
>>
>
>

SoK66

Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
from clashing, particularly when cold.

"Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:GB%Cd.78947$Ix2.18655@okepread02...
> Long story on the PowerTrax (another thread, same TJ) and this thread is
> essentially at an end.
>
> The Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time and the sync problem
> was as bad or worse than ever. The Chrylser shop and the shop that put in
> the PowerTrax thought that removing the PowerTrax might indicate the
> source of the problem, or what wasn't the problem. So, the PowerTrax is
> out (back to stock Dana 35) and the sync problem symptoms are drastically
> reduced, but still present. None of us can figure out why, but the
> PowerTrax will have to stay out and I am probably going to live with the
> remaining sync symptoms. There is now only a mild crunch when shifting
> into second and a barely noticable mis-sync in third. It's still
> annoying, but it's not worth the pain of going back to the dealer (30
> miles - warranty) and the lack of the Jeep for about three weeks
> (cumulative).
>
> After the bad memories of this misadventure fade I'll try to find an
> alternative to the PowerTrax. It had taken most of the fun out of
> commuting anyway.
>
> The throwout bearing has been replaced, as have all of the sync rings,
> some more than once. Removing drive shafts has generally shown that the
> rear diff was aggravating the symptoms, but removing the rear driveshaft
> did not eliminate the symptoms - just as removing the PowerTrax has not
> eliminated the problems.
>
> Thanks for all of the suggestions for both the PowerTrax and the sync
> problems.
>
> --
> Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
>> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
>> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
>> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
>> no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
>> the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
>> warranty)
>>
>> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
>> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
>> be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
>> into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
>> tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
>> into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
>> synchronized.
>>
>> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
>> get it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
>> the clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the
>> transmission?
>> --
>> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>>
>>
>>
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time"
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

SoK66 wrote:
>
> Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
> NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
> from clashing, particularly when cold.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"Jeep Dealer rebuilt the transmission a third time"
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

SoK66 wrote:
>
> Are you sure they put the right oil in this trans? The AX5s, AX15s and
> NV3550s all take special GL3 (no sulphur) lubes to prevent the synchros
> from clashing, particularly when cold.