Matt Macchiarolo

The proper fluid can be found at the dealer or your local auto-parts store
as Pennzoil Syncromesh manual transmission fluid.

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> > warranty)
> >
> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
synchronized.
> >
> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
get
> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
the
> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> > --
> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

The proper fluid can be found at the dealer or your local auto-parts store
as Pennzoil Syncromesh manual transmission fluid.

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> > warranty)
> >
> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
synchronized.
> >
> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
get
> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
the
> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> > --
> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

The proper fluid can be found at the dealer or your local auto-parts store
as Pennzoil Syncromesh manual transmission fluid.

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> > warranty)
> >
> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
synchronized.
> >
> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
get
> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
the
> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> > --
> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Masnor

Thanks Jerry (and Matt, in thread)

Parts List from the previous work shows FP-Number 4874464, Lubricant
1081033, Unit Price $10.65, Total $42.60

It looks like the right fluid. My Owners Manual says: "For 4.0L models with
a manual transmission - use only Mopar Gear Lubricant: Part # 4874464. This
is the only fluid recommend for this transmission." The quote includes
their typo for "recommended" - you would think someone at Chrysler would
check their manuals for typos.

The parts list does show five sync rings. FP Numbers: 4874363, 4874405,
4874404, 4741277, 4741285.

Group, Thanks for the help.

Masnor

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> > warranty)
> >
> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
synchronized.
> >
> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
get
> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
the
> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> > --
> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Masnor

Thanks Jerry (and Matt, in thread)

Parts List from the previous work shows FP-Number 4874464, Lubricant
1081033, Unit Price $10.65, Total $42.60

It looks like the right fluid. My Owners Manual says: "For 4.0L models with
a manual transmission - use only Mopar Gear Lubricant: Part # 4874464. This
is the only fluid recommend for this transmission." The quote includes
their typo for "recommended" - you would think someone at Chrysler would
check their manuals for typos.

The parts list does show five sync rings. FP Numbers: 4874363, 4874405,
4874404, 4741277, 4741285.

Group, Thanks for the help.

Masnor

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> > warranty)
> >
> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
synchronized.
> >
> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
get
> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
the
> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> > --
> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Masnor

Thanks Jerry (and Matt, in thread)

Parts List from the previous work shows FP-Number 4874464, Lubricant
1081033, Unit Price $10.65, Total $42.60

It looks like the right fluid. My Owners Manual says: "For 4.0L models with
a manual transmission - use only Mopar Gear Lubricant: Part # 4874464. This
is the only fluid recommend for this transmission." The quote includes
their typo for "recommended" - you would think someone at Chrysler would
check their manuals for typos.

The parts list does show five sync rings. FP Numbers: 4874363, 4874405,
4874404, 4741277, 4741285.

Group, Thanks for the help.

Masnor

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>
>
> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
snapped
> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
for
> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
essentially
> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
of
> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
under
> > warranty)
> >
> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
because
> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up
> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
synchronized.
> >
> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
get
> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
the
> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
> > --
> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Jerry McG

That's the right stuff. With that confirmed I'd be sure the clutch is
disengaging completely. I might also suspect a dragging pilot bearing.


"Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:lqJ6d.2921$gm.685@okepread07...
> Thanks Jerry (and Matt, in thread)
>
> Parts List from the previous work shows FP-Number 4874464, Lubricant
> 1081033, Unit Price $10.65, Total $42.60
>
> It looks like the right fluid. My Owners Manual says: "For 4.0L models
> with
> a manual transmission - use only Mopar Gear Lubricant: Part # 4874464.
> This
> is the only fluid recommend for this transmission." The quote includes
> their typo for "recommended" - you would think someone at Chrysler would
> check their manuals for typos.
>
> The parts list does show five sync rings. FP Numbers: 4874363, 4874405,
> 4874404, 4741277, 4741285.
>
> Group, Thanks for the help.
>
> Masnor
>
> "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
>> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
>> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
>> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
>> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
>> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>>
>>
>> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
>> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
> snapped
>> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
> for
>> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
> essentially
>> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
> of
>> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
> under
>> > warranty)
>> >
>> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
> because
>> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed
>> > to
>> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
>> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
>> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting
>> > up
>> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
> synchronized.
>> >
>> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
> get
>> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
> the
>> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
>> > --
>> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Jerry McG

That's the right stuff. With that confirmed I'd be sure the clutch is
disengaging completely. I might also suspect a dragging pilot bearing.


"Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:lqJ6d.2921$gm.685@okepread07...
> Thanks Jerry (and Matt, in thread)
>
> Parts List from the previous work shows FP-Number 4874464, Lubricant
> 1081033, Unit Price $10.65, Total $42.60
>
> It looks like the right fluid. My Owners Manual says: "For 4.0L models
> with
> a manual transmission - use only Mopar Gear Lubricant: Part # 4874464.
> This
> is the only fluid recommend for this transmission." The quote includes
> their typo for "recommended" - you would think someone at Chrysler would
> check their manuals for typos.
>
> The parts list does show five sync rings. FP Numbers: 4874363, 4874405,
> 4874404, 4741277, 4741285.
>
> Group, Thanks for the help.
>
> Masnor
>
> "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
>> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
>> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
>> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
>> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
>> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>>
>>
>> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
>> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
> snapped
>> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
> for
>> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
> essentially
>> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
> of
>> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
> under
>> > warranty)
>> >
>> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
> because
>> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed
>> > to
>> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
>> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
>> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting
>> > up
>> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
> synchronized.
>> >
>> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
> get
>> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
> the
>> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
>> > --
>> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Jerry McG

That's the right stuff. With that confirmed I'd be sure the clutch is
disengaging completely. I might also suspect a dragging pilot bearing.


"Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:lqJ6d.2921$gm.685@okepread07...
> Thanks Jerry (and Matt, in thread)
>
> Parts List from the previous work shows FP-Number 4874464, Lubricant
> 1081033, Unit Price $10.65, Total $42.60
>
> It looks like the right fluid. My Owners Manual says: "For 4.0L models
> with
> a manual transmission - use only Mopar Gear Lubricant: Part # 4874464.
> This
> is the only fluid recommend for this transmission." The quote includes
> their typo for "recommended" - you would think someone at Chrysler would
> check their manuals for typos.
>
> The parts list does show five sync rings. FP Numbers: 4874363, 4874405,
> 4874404, 4741277, 4741285.
>
> Group, Thanks for the help.
>
> Masnor
>
> "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cjeh880lu8@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> This sounds like he put the wrong oil in the trans. DC recommends a
>> no-sulphur GL3 oil for the NV3550, which is rather expensive but can be
>> sourced through the dealer. Sulphur in gear oils is great for the gears &
>> bearings, but causes the synchros to slip excessively, resulting in the
>> grind you describe. My bet is he put GL5 lube in it. If that's the case,
>> before you do anythin have it drained and refilled with the proper fluid.
>>
>>
>> "Marc Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:brp6d.2822$gm.2438@okepread07...
>> > After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a
> snapped
>> > end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in
> for
>> > service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> > replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at
> essentially
>> > no cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost
> of
>> > the warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it
> under
>> > warranty)
>> >
>> > Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission,
> because
>> > there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed
>> > to
>> > be working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up
>> > into 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one
>> > tooth grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting
>> > up
>> > into 4th and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be
> synchronized.
>> >
>> > I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
> get
>> > it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust
> the
>> > clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
>> > --
>> > Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Marc Masnor

Bill,

Good call on the sync rings. I called today and was told that two of the
rings just replaced the first week of September (2004) were causing the
shifting problems. I hope to get the TJ tomorrow evening. I'll never go to
that Chrysler service location again.

I also hope they don't overfill the transmission this time. I was still
smelling fluid smoking off of the exhaust pipe and muffler when I took it
back last week. And I had degreased and washed the entire under carriage.

Five star service, they say.

--
Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:415A24B2.E82D524E@***.net...
> I believe if it's shifting properly in through the other gears,
> that kind of lets any other adjustment out, they probably save a buck
> and put your old sync ring back in for that gear.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Marc Masnor wrote:
>>
>> After a loose broken piece of metal (like a roller bearing with a snapped
>> end) was found when draining the transmission fluid, I took the TJ in for
>> service under extended warranty. The dealer found what was wrong and
>> replaced about $1200 worth of parts in the transmission - at essentially
>> no
>> cost to me. I thought I was finally getting something for the cost of
>> the
>> warranty. (and they found a leaking water pump and replaced it under
>> warranty)
>>
>> Even though the dealer seems to have overfilled the transmission, because
>> there was fluid dripping from the mount, muffler, and body, it seemed to
>> be
>> working OK. However, after a week or so, I noticed that shifting up into
>> 3rd feels like an improper clutch. There is what feels like a one tooth
>> grind. Shifting up into 2nd was better, but similar. Shifting up into
>> 4th
>> and 5th feel normal. Down shifting all seems to be synchronized.
>>
>> I'm about to take it back to get things worked out, but it's a pain to
>> get
>> it to the dealer 30 miles away. Is there anything I can do to adjust the
>> clutch linkage or anything else that's not inside of the transmission?
>> --
>> Please cc: to Marc.L.Masnor@usace.army.mil