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Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
mabar did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Doug: > > Can you point me to the Oklahoma law that says it's illegal to have fogs on > along with high beams, and the law that says you cannot run fogs without > headlights. > > When driving in really dense fog, it's almost impossible to see if the > headlights are on. They reflect almost all the light back into the driver's > eyes in dense fog. The purpose of fogs is to throw a wide, low beam under > the fog so the light is not reflected back into the driver's eyes. Running > with both fogs and headlights on defeats the purpose of fog lights. http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/okstatute...tuestitle.html §47-12-217. Auxiliary, fog, and off-road lamps. It's an .rtf file (MsWord will open it) Long and dull. -- DougW |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:57 -0600, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> shared the following: >mabar did pass the time by typing: >> Hi Doug: >> >> Can you point me to the Oklahoma law that says it's illegal to have fogs on >> along with high beams, and the law that says you cannot run fogs without >> headlights. >> >> When driving in really dense fog, it's almost impossible to see if the >> headlights are on. They reflect almost all the light back into the driver's >> eyes in dense fog. The purpose of fogs is to throw a wide, low beam under >> the fog so the light is not reflected back into the driver's eyes. Running >> with both fogs and headlights on defeats the purpose of fog lights. > >http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/okstatute...tuestitle.html >§47-12-217. Auxiliary, fog, and off-road lamps. > >It's an .rtf file (MsWord will open it) Long and dull. 2. Front fog lamps shall be mounted on the same level on opposite sides of the front of the vehicle at or below the level of the headlamps. Front fog lamps may be used with lower beam headlamps or switch controlled in conjunction with the headlamps and may be used, at the discretion of the driver, with either low or high beam headlamps. Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of headlamps, when headlamps are required. So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." That's pretty open to interpretation. So in other words he can use fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required in fog, and they can even make things work. I don't see where quoting this document has done anything except prove both of mabar's points. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:57 -0600, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> shared the following: >mabar did pass the time by typing: >> Hi Doug: >> >> Can you point me to the Oklahoma law that says it's illegal to have fogs on >> along with high beams, and the law that says you cannot run fogs without >> headlights. >> >> When driving in really dense fog, it's almost impossible to see if the >> headlights are on. They reflect almost all the light back into the driver's >> eyes in dense fog. The purpose of fogs is to throw a wide, low beam under >> the fog so the light is not reflected back into the driver's eyes. Running >> with both fogs and headlights on defeats the purpose of fog lights. > >http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/okstatute...tuestitle.html >§47-12-217. Auxiliary, fog, and off-road lamps. > >It's an .rtf file (MsWord will open it) Long and dull. 2. Front fog lamps shall be mounted on the same level on opposite sides of the front of the vehicle at or below the level of the headlamps. Front fog lamps may be used with lower beam headlamps or switch controlled in conjunction with the headlamps and may be used, at the discretion of the driver, with either low or high beam headlamps. Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of headlamps, when headlamps are required. So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." That's pretty open to interpretation. So in other words he can use fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required in fog, and they can even make things work. I don't see where quoting this document has done anything except prove both of mabar's points. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:57 -0600, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> shared the following: >mabar did pass the time by typing: >> Hi Doug: >> >> Can you point me to the Oklahoma law that says it's illegal to have fogs on >> along with high beams, and the law that says you cannot run fogs without >> headlights. >> >> When driving in really dense fog, it's almost impossible to see if the >> headlights are on. They reflect almost all the light back into the driver's >> eyes in dense fog. The purpose of fogs is to throw a wide, low beam under >> the fog so the light is not reflected back into the driver's eyes. Running >> with both fogs and headlights on defeats the purpose of fog lights. > >http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/okstatute...tuestitle.html >§47-12-217. Auxiliary, fog, and off-road lamps. > >It's an .rtf file (MsWord will open it) Long and dull. 2. Front fog lamps shall be mounted on the same level on opposite sides of the front of the vehicle at or below the level of the headlamps. Front fog lamps may be used with lower beam headlamps or switch controlled in conjunction with the headlamps and may be used, at the discretion of the driver, with either low or high beam headlamps. Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of headlamps, when headlamps are required. So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." That's pretty open to interpretation. So in other words he can use fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required in fog, and they can even make things work. I don't see where quoting this document has done anything except prove both of mabar's points. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:16:44 -0500, travis
<travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:57 -0600, "DougW" ><post.replies@invalid.address> shared the following: > >>mabar did pass the time by typing: >>> Hi Doug: >>> >>> Can you point me to the Oklahoma law that says it's illegal to have fogs on >>> along with high beams, and the law that says you cannot run fogs without >>> headlights. >>> >>> When driving in really dense fog, it's almost impossible to see if the >>> headlights are on. They reflect almost all the light back into the driver's >>> eyes in dense fog. The purpose of fogs is to throw a wide, low beam under >>> the fog so the light is not reflected back into the driver's eyes. Running >>> with both fogs and headlights on defeats the purpose of fog lights. >> >>http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/okstatute...tuestitle.html >>§47-12-217. Auxiliary, fog, and off-road lamps. >> >>It's an .rtf file (MsWord will open it) Long and dull. > >2. Front fog lamps shall be mounted on the same level on opposite >sides of the front of the vehicle at or below the level of the >headlamps. Front fog lamps may be used with lower beam headlamps or >switch controlled in conjunction with the headlamps and may be used, >at the discretion of the driver, with either low or high beam >headlamps. Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of >headlamps, when headlamps are required. > >So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with >high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have >the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not >be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." >That's pretty open to interpretation. So in other words he can use >fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning >when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required >in fog, and they can even make things work. "work" = "worse > I don't see where quoting >this document has done anything except prove both of mabar's points. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:16:44 -0500, travis
<travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:57 -0600, "DougW" ><post.replies@invalid.address> shared the following: > >>mabar did pass the time by typing: >>> Hi Doug: >>> >>> Can you point me to the Oklahoma law that says it's illegal to have fogs on >>> along with high beams, and the law that says you cannot run fogs without >>> headlights. >>> >>> When driving in really dense fog, it's almost impossible to see if the >>> headlights are on. They reflect almost all the light back into the driver's >>> eyes in dense fog. The purpose of fogs is to throw a wide, low beam under >>> the fog so the light is not reflected back into the driver's eyes. Running >>> with both fogs and headlights on defeats the purpose of fog lights. >> >>http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/okstatute...tuestitle.html >>§47-12-217. Auxiliary, fog, and off-road lamps. >> >>It's an .rtf file (MsWord will open it) Long and dull. > >2. Front fog lamps shall be mounted on the same level on opposite >sides of the front of the vehicle at or below the level of the >headlamps. Front fog lamps may be used with lower beam headlamps or >switch controlled in conjunction with the headlamps and may be used, >at the discretion of the driver, with either low or high beam >headlamps. Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of >headlamps, when headlamps are required. > >So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with >high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have >the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not >be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." >That's pretty open to interpretation. So in other words he can use >fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning >when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required >in fog, and they can even make things work. "work" = "worse > I don't see where quoting >this document has done anything except prove both of mabar's points. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:16:44 -0500, travis
<travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:57 -0600, "DougW" ><post.replies@invalid.address> shared the following: > >>mabar did pass the time by typing: >>> Hi Doug: >>> >>> Can you point me to the Oklahoma law that says it's illegal to have fogs on >>> along with high beams, and the law that says you cannot run fogs without >>> headlights. >>> >>> When driving in really dense fog, it's almost impossible to see if the >>> headlights are on. They reflect almost all the light back into the driver's >>> eyes in dense fog. The purpose of fogs is to throw a wide, low beam under >>> the fog so the light is not reflected back into the driver's eyes. Running >>> with both fogs and headlights on defeats the purpose of fog lights. >> >>http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/okstatute...tuestitle.html >>§47-12-217. Auxiliary, fog, and off-road lamps. >> >>It's an .rtf file (MsWord will open it) Long and dull. > >2. Front fog lamps shall be mounted on the same level on opposite >sides of the front of the vehicle at or below the level of the >headlamps. Front fog lamps may be used with lower beam headlamps or >switch controlled in conjunction with the headlamps and may be used, >at the discretion of the driver, with either low or high beam >headlamps. Front fog lamps shall not be used in substitution of >headlamps, when headlamps are required. > >So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with >high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have >the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not >be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." >That's pretty open to interpretation. So in other words he can use >fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning >when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required >in fog, and they can even make things work. "work" = "worse > I don't see where quoting >this document has done anything except prove both of mabar's points. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
travis did pass the time by typing:
>So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with >high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have >the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not >be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." >That's pretty open to interpretation. absolutely, and it's often the police that make that interpretation. >So in other words he can use >fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning >when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required >in fog, and they can even make things work. They may have changed the code since the last time I read it. All I did was google for the site based on what I remembered before. My point was legality depends on each states regulations. But likewise you also can't go by just one paragraph. For example, the definition of nighttime includes situations were visiblity is 1000ft or less. Therefore in fog, headlamps are required. IIRC there is also a requirement that headlamps be on when wipers are on. Heard that on the news a few days back. -- DougW |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
travis did pass the time by typing:
>So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with >high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have >the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not >be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." >That's pretty open to interpretation. absolutely, and it's often the police that make that interpretation. >So in other words he can use >fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning >when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required >in fog, and they can even make things work. They may have changed the code since the last time I read it. All I did was google for the site based on what I remembered before. My point was legality depends on each states regulations. But likewise you also can't go by just one paragraph. For example, the definition of nighttime includes situations were visiblity is 1000ft or less. Therefore in fog, headlamps are required. IIRC there is also a requirement that headlamps be on when wipers are on. Heard that on the news a few days back. -- DougW |
Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler Fog Light Mod Questions
travis did pass the time by typing:
>So according to that document it is NOT illegal to have fogs on with >high beams. He said to show him where it says it IS illegal to have >the fogs on with high beams. It also says "Front fog lamps shall not >be used in substitution of headlamps, WHEN HEADLAMPS ARE REQUIRED." >That's pretty open to interpretation. absolutely, and it's often the police that make that interpretation. >So in other words he can use >fogs without headlights if conditions are right, like in the morning >when the sun is out but it's really foggy. Headlamps aren't required >in fog, and they can even make things work. They may have changed the code since the last time I read it. All I did was google for the site based on what I remembered before. My point was legality depends on each states regulations. But likewise you also can't go by just one paragraph. For example, the definition of nighttime includes situations were visiblity is 1000ft or less. Therefore in fog, headlamps are required. IIRC there is also a requirement that headlamps be on when wipers are on. Heard that on the news a few days back. -- DougW |
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