134a Refrigerant
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Re: Iraq Was :R134a Refrigerant
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:Pqjqe.10165$lI2.3055@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Well, normally I don't get in to these discussions, but since some of the
> things I've read here have flipped a switch with me, I guess I need to make
> a few comments.
....
> These men and women are over
> there risking their lives for the good of the people there,
Believe it or not, it's not a humanitarian mission.
It was never sold as such.
If it *was* to be a war of liberation, there were plans
drawn up that would have taken much better care of
the populace... these plans were chucked by Wolfowitz
et al because they would have cost more than was
politically sellable at the time.
I don't believe in selling the troops short... they're
our kids, and deserve our support. But I'm *not*
going to let all this distract me from the big problem...
the US people were lied to in a systematic way.
Blindly following Bush is getting us in deeper...
the truth about the occupation has to come out.
I'm sorry if returning troops don't like what they
read... but it's not lies.
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42AA3CB9.198D2A35@***.net...
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > I hope you all see what I mean, about
> > scary...
> >
> > What if a big bomb were to go off in
> > the middle of Oklahoma City, Bill...
> > still want to nuke somebody else?
> That's why America is taking the initiate.
?? Like that would stop another McVey...
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42AA3CB9.198D2A35@***.net...
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > I hope you all see what I mean, about
> > scary...
> >
> > What if a big bomb were to go off in
> > the middle of Oklahoma City, Bill...
> > still want to nuke somebody else?
> That's why America is taking the initiate.
?? Like that would stop another McVey...
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Steve
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42AA3CB9.198D2A35@***.net...
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > I hope you all see what I mean, about
> > scary...
> >
> > What if a big bomb were to go off in
> > the middle of Oklahoma City, Bill...
> > still want to nuke somebody else?
> That's why America is taking the initiate.
?? Like that would stop another McVey...
__
Steve
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42AA3CB9.198D2A35@***.net...
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > I hope you all see what I mean, about
> > scary...
> >
> > What if a big bomb were to go off in
> > the middle of Oklahoma City, Bill...
> > still want to nuke somebody else?
> That's why America is taking the initiate.
?? Like that would stop another McVey...
__
Steve
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> If you really cared about rape, instead of just
> trying to save your face
TRANSLATION --> "i cannot give bush credit for liberating the women of iraq.
i cannot even recognize they are no longer being raped because my agenda
does not allow for credit where due if it speaks good of bush in any
manner".
stephen, you sir are ignorant. not because we disagree.....i could at least
respect you for your beliefs....but because you havent a single ounce of
integrity for if you had, you would have at least given the war effort this
one single small credit. instead you spin off it in order to push your own
agenda.
> Nate... you have to be willing to look at
> the wide screen. And don't try to buy
> sympathy for a failed invasion with
> cloying talk about 'young girls'
the point in mentioning that was not to justify the war. it was one single
bit of irrefutable credit that was thrown out to see what kind of man im
talking to. im sadly disappointed.
> The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
1) we arent trying to police world. we removed a threat. were it up to me
we would simply nuke the entire arab world. :-)
2) nothing could be farther from libertarian ideals.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> If you really cared about rape, instead of just
> trying to save your face
TRANSLATION --> "i cannot give bush credit for liberating the women of iraq.
i cannot even recognize they are no longer being raped because my agenda
does not allow for credit where due if it speaks good of bush in any
manner".
stephen, you sir are ignorant. not because we disagree.....i could at least
respect you for your beliefs....but because you havent a single ounce of
integrity for if you had, you would have at least given the war effort this
one single small credit. instead you spin off it in order to push your own
agenda.
> Nate... you have to be willing to look at
> the wide screen. And don't try to buy
> sympathy for a failed invasion with
> cloying talk about 'young girls'
the point in mentioning that was not to justify the war. it was one single
bit of irrefutable credit that was thrown out to see what kind of man im
talking to. im sadly disappointed.
> The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
1) we arent trying to police world. we removed a threat. were it up to me
we would simply nuke the entire arab world. :-)
2) nothing could be farther from libertarian ideals.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> If you really cared about rape, instead of just
> trying to save your face
TRANSLATION --> "i cannot give bush credit for liberating the women of iraq.
i cannot even recognize they are no longer being raped because my agenda
does not allow for credit where due if it speaks good of bush in any
manner".
stephen, you sir are ignorant. not because we disagree.....i could at least
respect you for your beliefs....but because you havent a single ounce of
integrity for if you had, you would have at least given the war effort this
one single small credit. instead you spin off it in order to push your own
agenda.
> Nate... you have to be willing to look at
> the wide screen. And don't try to buy
> sympathy for a failed invasion with
> cloying talk about 'young girls'
the point in mentioning that was not to justify the war. it was one single
bit of irrefutable credit that was thrown out to see what kind of man im
talking to. im sadly disappointed.
> The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
1) we arent trying to police world. we removed a threat. were it up to me
we would simply nuke the entire arab world. :-)
2) nothing could be farther from libertarian ideals.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> If you really cared about rape, instead of just
> trying to save your face
TRANSLATION --> "i cannot give bush credit for liberating the women of iraq.
i cannot even recognize they are no longer being raped because my agenda
does not allow for credit where due if it speaks good of bush in any
manner".
stephen, you sir are ignorant. not because we disagree.....i could at least
respect you for your beliefs....but because you havent a single ounce of
integrity for if you had, you would have at least given the war effort this
one single small credit. instead you spin off it in order to push your own
agenda.
> Nate... you have to be willing to look at
> the wide screen. And don't try to buy
> sympathy for a failed invasion with
> cloying talk about 'young girls'
the point in mentioning that was not to justify the war. it was one single
bit of irrefutable credit that was thrown out to see what kind of man im
talking to. im sadly disappointed.
> The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
1) we arent trying to police world. we removed a threat. were it up to me
we would simply nuke the entire arab world. :-)
2) nothing could be farther from libertarian ideals.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> If you really cared about rape, instead of just
> trying to save your face
TRANSLATION --> "i cannot give bush credit for liberating the women of iraq.
i cannot even recognize they are no longer being raped because my agenda
does not allow for credit where due if it speaks good of bush in any
manner".
stephen, you sir are ignorant. not because we disagree.....i could at least
respect you for your beliefs....but because you havent a single ounce of
integrity for if you had, you would have at least given the war effort this
one single small credit. instead you spin off it in order to push your own
agenda.
> Nate... you have to be willing to look at
> the wide screen. And don't try to buy
> sympathy for a failed invasion with
> cloying talk about 'young girls'
the point in mentioning that was not to justify the war. it was one single
bit of irrefutable credit that was thrown out to see what kind of man im
talking to. im sadly disappointed.
> The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
1) we arent trying to police world. we removed a threat. were it up to me
we would simply nuke the entire arab world. :-)
2) nothing could be farther from libertarian ideals.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> If you really cared about rape, instead of just
> trying to save your face
TRANSLATION --> "i cannot give bush credit for liberating the women of iraq.
i cannot even recognize they are no longer being raped because my agenda
does not allow for credit where due if it speaks good of bush in any
manner".
stephen, you sir are ignorant. not because we disagree.....i could at least
respect you for your beliefs....but because you havent a single ounce of
integrity for if you had, you would have at least given the war effort this
one single small credit. instead you spin off it in order to push your own
agenda.
> Nate... you have to be willing to look at
> the wide screen. And don't try to buy
> sympathy for a failed invasion with
> cloying talk about 'young girls'
the point in mentioning that was not to justify the war. it was one single
bit of irrefutable credit that was thrown out to see what kind of man im
talking to. im sadly disappointed.
> The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
1) we arent trying to police world. we removed a threat. were it up to me
we would simply nuke the entire arab world. :-)
2) nothing could be farther from libertarian ideals.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> If you really cared about rape, instead of just
> trying to save your face
TRANSLATION --> "i cannot give bush credit for liberating the women of iraq.
i cannot even recognize they are no longer being raped because my agenda
does not allow for credit where due if it speaks good of bush in any
manner".
stephen, you sir are ignorant. not because we disagree.....i could at least
respect you for your beliefs....but because you havent a single ounce of
integrity for if you had, you would have at least given the war effort this
one single small credit. instead you spin off it in order to push your own
agenda.
> Nate... you have to be willing to look at
> the wide screen. And don't try to buy
> sympathy for a failed invasion with
> cloying talk about 'young girls'
the point in mentioning that was not to justify the war. it was one single
bit of irrefutable credit that was thrown out to see what kind of man im
talking to. im sadly disappointed.
> The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
1) we arent trying to police world. we removed a threat. were it up to me
we would simply nuke the entire arab world. :-)
2) nothing could be farther from libertarian ideals.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> If you really cared about rape, instead of just
> trying to save your face
TRANSLATION --> "i cannot give bush credit for liberating the women of iraq.
i cannot even recognize they are no longer being raped because my agenda
does not allow for credit where due if it speaks good of bush in any
manner".
stephen, you sir are ignorant. not because we disagree.....i could at least
respect you for your beliefs....but because you havent a single ounce of
integrity for if you had, you would have at least given the war effort this
one single small credit. instead you spin off it in order to push your own
agenda.
> Nate... you have to be willing to look at
> the wide screen. And don't try to buy
> sympathy for a failed invasion with
> cloying talk about 'young girls'
the point in mentioning that was not to justify the war. it was one single
bit of irrefutable credit that was thrown out to see what kind of man im
talking to. im sadly disappointed.
> The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
1) we arent trying to police world. we removed a threat. were it up to me
we would simply nuke the entire arab world. :-)
2) nothing could be farther from libertarian ideals.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jD9qe.2327$751.676@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> It is a science of probabilities
horseshit. your beliefs are unproven.
> EPA? Read further down! You have an EPA
> cert? How ironic! NATE is an EPA partner...
nate is abiding by the LAW and nothing more.
> are you the Site Manager?
im a service tech, that is just one of many multi million dollar rack
systems that i am solely responsible for.
> You never gave a link
> supporting your assertion, btw... that's a little telling,
> don't you think?
<SIGH>.....fine. my statement is that refrigerants cannot make it to the
stratosphere because they are heavier than air therefore they fall. when
attempting to detect a refrigerant leak using an electronic leak detector
you run your probe BENEATH where you suspect the leak. why? because the
refrigerant FALLS!
from http://www.bacharach-training.com/methods.htm near the bottom under
electronic leak detectors:
"Refrigerant has a higher specific volume than air, therefore refrigerants
will fall when exposed to atmospheric pressures. This means leak detecting
on the bottom sides of the piping or components will be more effective in
detecting a leak and will save you time."
from http://tif.com/manuals/TIFZX1.pdf (operating manual of the electronic
leak detector that i personally use)
"Be aware that refrigerants are invariably heavier than air and will tend to
fall from or collect below actual leak points/sources. Searching below
areas of potential leaks is invariably the most effective and reliable way
of finding such."
now stephen, tell me again all about how the hvac industry agrees with you?
tell me again how refrigerants rise above the air.
of course, we already know you simply cannot admit to it.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:jD9qe.2327$751.676@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> It is a science of probabilities
horseshit. your beliefs are unproven.
> EPA? Read further down! You have an EPA
> cert? How ironic! NATE is an EPA partner...
nate is abiding by the LAW and nothing more.
> are you the Site Manager?
im a service tech, that is just one of many multi million dollar rack
systems that i am solely responsible for.
> You never gave a link
> supporting your assertion, btw... that's a little telling,
> don't you think?
<SIGH>.....fine. my statement is that refrigerants cannot make it to the
stratosphere because they are heavier than air therefore they fall. when
attempting to detect a refrigerant leak using an electronic leak detector
you run your probe BENEATH where you suspect the leak. why? because the
refrigerant FALLS!
from http://www.bacharach-training.com/methods.htm near the bottom under
electronic leak detectors:
"Refrigerant has a higher specific volume than air, therefore refrigerants
will fall when exposed to atmospheric pressures. This means leak detecting
on the bottom sides of the piping or components will be more effective in
detecting a leak and will save you time."
from http://tif.com/manuals/TIFZX1.pdf (operating manual of the electronic
leak detector that i personally use)
"Be aware that refrigerants are invariably heavier than air and will tend to
fall from or collect below actual leak points/sources. Searching below
areas of potential leaks is invariably the most effective and reliable way
of finding such."
now stephen, tell me again all about how the hvac industry agrees with you?
tell me again how refrigerants rise above the air.
of course, we already know you simply cannot admit to it.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com