134a Refrigerant
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Well, can't disagree that the financial markets were disrupted, and being a
global economy, that hit the rest of the world too. Wasn't aware that there
were 7 buildings there, admittedly.
I didn't address the second part of your assertion "but far more damage has
been done by the current administration" because as I haven't been to the US
recently, my opinion wouldn't count for much ; also it's too big a topic to
debate (especially off topic) meaningfully. Come over here and we can
debate it over a beer.
As for Iraq, (I'll state my opinion but I won't debate it), I think that was
more a case of GW finishing off his dad's business rather than having
anything to do with terror ; look to Saudi for that. I do believe that it
was the right thing to do (and that GB senior shouldn't have left it
unfinished in the first place). Whether or not WMDs existed is irrelevent
as it was still worth doing, and I don't expect politicians to tell me the
truth anyhow.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Vtbqe.48156$G8.25794@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Thanks for the reality check, Dave... but 'badly damaged' is
> in the estimation of those damaged. If you belive you've
> been whupped up on, then it's de facto true, de jure or not.
> I'll notice you didn't address the second part of my assertion...
> stepping carefully, are we? Well, I can *damn sure* assert
> that the entire country has stepped carefully around these
> issues... for the longest time (long enough to get embroiled)
> the press, the left, and the populace was cowed... but no
> longer. "You're either with us, or agin' us" no longer washes
> as the lies pile up.
>
> We took a pretty big economic hit from 9/11... the country
> basically shut down for a week. We lost 25 million square feet
> of the most prime commercial real estate in the country's
> biggest city... lots of comm infrastructure was destroyed,
> financial markets disrupted. Perhaps the biggest thing lost
> was our innocence... but this in no way diminishes the
> bottom-line damage done. Would that it had stopped there,
> instead of leading the country by the nose into Iraq.
>
> BTW, there were *seven* buildings in the WTC plaza, Dave...
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
>
global economy, that hit the rest of the world too. Wasn't aware that there
were 7 buildings there, admittedly.
I didn't address the second part of your assertion "but far more damage has
been done by the current administration" because as I haven't been to the US
recently, my opinion wouldn't count for much ; also it's too big a topic to
debate (especially off topic) meaningfully. Come over here and we can
debate it over a beer.
As for Iraq, (I'll state my opinion but I won't debate it), I think that was
more a case of GW finishing off his dad's business rather than having
anything to do with terror ; look to Saudi for that. I do believe that it
was the right thing to do (and that GB senior shouldn't have left it
unfinished in the first place). Whether or not WMDs existed is irrelevent
as it was still worth doing, and I don't expect politicians to tell me the
truth anyhow.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Vtbqe.48156$G8.25794@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Thanks for the reality check, Dave... but 'badly damaged' is
> in the estimation of those damaged. If you belive you've
> been whupped up on, then it's de facto true, de jure or not.
> I'll notice you didn't address the second part of my assertion...
> stepping carefully, are we? Well, I can *damn sure* assert
> that the entire country has stepped carefully around these
> issues... for the longest time (long enough to get embroiled)
> the press, the left, and the populace was cowed... but no
> longer. "You're either with us, or agin' us" no longer washes
> as the lies pile up.
>
> We took a pretty big economic hit from 9/11... the country
> basically shut down for a week. We lost 25 million square feet
> of the most prime commercial real estate in the country's
> biggest city... lots of comm infrastructure was destroyed,
> financial markets disrupted. Perhaps the biggest thing lost
> was our innocence... but this in no way diminishes the
> bottom-line damage done. Would that it had stopped there,
> instead of leading the country by the nose into Iraq.
>
> BTW, there were *seven* buildings in the WTC plaza, Dave...
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
>
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Well, can't disagree that the financial markets were disrupted, and being a
global economy, that hit the rest of the world too. Wasn't aware that there
were 7 buildings there, admittedly.
I didn't address the second part of your assertion "but far more damage has
been done by the current administration" because as I haven't been to the US
recently, my opinion wouldn't count for much ; also it's too big a topic to
debate (especially off topic) meaningfully. Come over here and we can
debate it over a beer.
As for Iraq, (I'll state my opinion but I won't debate it), I think that was
more a case of GW finishing off his dad's business rather than having
anything to do with terror ; look to Saudi for that. I do believe that it
was the right thing to do (and that GB senior shouldn't have left it
unfinished in the first place). Whether or not WMDs existed is irrelevent
as it was still worth doing, and I don't expect politicians to tell me the
truth anyhow.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Vtbqe.48156$G8.25794@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Thanks for the reality check, Dave... but 'badly damaged' is
> in the estimation of those damaged. If you belive you've
> been whupped up on, then it's de facto true, de jure or not.
> I'll notice you didn't address the second part of my assertion...
> stepping carefully, are we? Well, I can *damn sure* assert
> that the entire country has stepped carefully around these
> issues... for the longest time (long enough to get embroiled)
> the press, the left, and the populace was cowed... but no
> longer. "You're either with us, or agin' us" no longer washes
> as the lies pile up.
>
> We took a pretty big economic hit from 9/11... the country
> basically shut down for a week. We lost 25 million square feet
> of the most prime commercial real estate in the country's
> biggest city... lots of comm infrastructure was destroyed,
> financial markets disrupted. Perhaps the biggest thing lost
> was our innocence... but this in no way diminishes the
> bottom-line damage done. Would that it had stopped there,
> instead of leading the country by the nose into Iraq.
>
> BTW, there were *seven* buildings in the WTC plaza, Dave...
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
>
global economy, that hit the rest of the world too. Wasn't aware that there
were 7 buildings there, admittedly.
I didn't address the second part of your assertion "but far more damage has
been done by the current administration" because as I haven't been to the US
recently, my opinion wouldn't count for much ; also it's too big a topic to
debate (especially off topic) meaningfully. Come over here and we can
debate it over a beer.
As for Iraq, (I'll state my opinion but I won't debate it), I think that was
more a case of GW finishing off his dad's business rather than having
anything to do with terror ; look to Saudi for that. I do believe that it
was the right thing to do (and that GB senior shouldn't have left it
unfinished in the first place). Whether or not WMDs existed is irrelevent
as it was still worth doing, and I don't expect politicians to tell me the
truth anyhow.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Vtbqe.48156$G8.25794@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Thanks for the reality check, Dave... but 'badly damaged' is
> in the estimation of those damaged. If you belive you've
> been whupped up on, then it's de facto true, de jure or not.
> I'll notice you didn't address the second part of my assertion...
> stepping carefully, are we? Well, I can *damn sure* assert
> that the entire country has stepped carefully around these
> issues... for the longest time (long enough to get embroiled)
> the press, the left, and the populace was cowed... but no
> longer. "You're either with us, or agin' us" no longer washes
> as the lies pile up.
>
> We took a pretty big economic hit from 9/11... the country
> basically shut down for a week. We lost 25 million square feet
> of the most prime commercial real estate in the country's
> biggest city... lots of comm infrastructure was destroyed,
> financial markets disrupted. Perhaps the biggest thing lost
> was our innocence... but this in no way diminishes the
> bottom-line damage done. Would that it had stopped there,
> instead of leading the country by the nose into Iraq.
>
> BTW, there were *seven* buildings in the WTC plaza, Dave...
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
>
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Well, can't disagree that the financial markets were disrupted, and being a
global economy, that hit the rest of the world too. Wasn't aware that there
were 7 buildings there, admittedly.
I didn't address the second part of your assertion "but far more damage has
been done by the current administration" because as I haven't been to the US
recently, my opinion wouldn't count for much ; also it's too big a topic to
debate (especially off topic) meaningfully. Come over here and we can
debate it over a beer.
As for Iraq, (I'll state my opinion but I won't debate it), I think that was
more a case of GW finishing off his dad's business rather than having
anything to do with terror ; look to Saudi for that. I do believe that it
was the right thing to do (and that GB senior shouldn't have left it
unfinished in the first place). Whether or not WMDs existed is irrelevent
as it was still worth doing, and I don't expect politicians to tell me the
truth anyhow.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Vtbqe.48156$G8.25794@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Thanks for the reality check, Dave... but 'badly damaged' is
> in the estimation of those damaged. If you belive you've
> been whupped up on, then it's de facto true, de jure or not.
> I'll notice you didn't address the second part of my assertion...
> stepping carefully, are we? Well, I can *damn sure* assert
> that the entire country has stepped carefully around these
> issues... for the longest time (long enough to get embroiled)
> the press, the left, and the populace was cowed... but no
> longer. "You're either with us, or agin' us" no longer washes
> as the lies pile up.
>
> We took a pretty big economic hit from 9/11... the country
> basically shut down for a week. We lost 25 million square feet
> of the most prime commercial real estate in the country's
> biggest city... lots of comm infrastructure was destroyed,
> financial markets disrupted. Perhaps the biggest thing lost
> was our innocence... but this in no way diminishes the
> bottom-line damage done. Would that it had stopped there,
> instead of leading the country by the nose into Iraq.
>
> BTW, there were *seven* buildings in the WTC plaza, Dave...
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
>
global economy, that hit the rest of the world too. Wasn't aware that there
were 7 buildings there, admittedly.
I didn't address the second part of your assertion "but far more damage has
been done by the current administration" because as I haven't been to the US
recently, my opinion wouldn't count for much ; also it's too big a topic to
debate (especially off topic) meaningfully. Come over here and we can
debate it over a beer.
As for Iraq, (I'll state my opinion but I won't debate it), I think that was
more a case of GW finishing off his dad's business rather than having
anything to do with terror ; look to Saudi for that. I do believe that it
was the right thing to do (and that GB senior shouldn't have left it
unfinished in the first place). Whether or not WMDs existed is irrelevent
as it was still worth doing, and I don't expect politicians to tell me the
truth anyhow.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Vtbqe.48156$G8.25794@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Thanks for the reality check, Dave... but 'badly damaged' is
> in the estimation of those damaged. If you belive you've
> been whupped up on, then it's de facto true, de jure or not.
> I'll notice you didn't address the second part of my assertion...
> stepping carefully, are we? Well, I can *damn sure* assert
> that the entire country has stepped carefully around these
> issues... for the longest time (long enough to get embroiled)
> the press, the left, and the populace was cowed... but no
> longer. "You're either with us, or agin' us" no longer washes
> as the lies pile up.
>
> We took a pretty big economic hit from 9/11... the country
> basically shut down for a week. We lost 25 million square feet
> of the most prime commercial real estate in the country's
> biggest city... lots of comm infrastructure was destroyed,
> financial markets disrupted. Perhaps the biggest thing lost
> was our innocence... but this in no way diminishes the
> bottom-line damage done. Would that it had stopped there,
> instead of leading the country by the nose into Iraq.
>
> BTW, there were *seven* buildings in the WTC plaza, Dave...
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
>
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Re: Iraq Was :R134a Refrigerant
exactly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
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> Overall, the man was an
> evildoer and overall the Iraqis are much better off without him in power.
>
> Chris
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
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> Overall, the man was an
> evildoer and overall the Iraqis are much better off without him in power.
>
> Chris
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Re: Iraq Was :R134a Refrigerant
exactly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
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> Overall, the man was an
> evildoer and overall the Iraqis are much better off without him in power.
>
> Chris
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
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> Overall, the man was an
> evildoer and overall the Iraqis are much better off without him in power.
>
> Chris
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Re: Iraq Was :R134a Refrigerant
exactly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Pqjqe.10165$lI2.3055@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Overall, the man was an
> evildoer and overall the Iraqis are much better off without him in power.
>
> Chris
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Pqjqe.10165$lI2.3055@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Overall, the man was an
> evildoer and overall the Iraqis are much better off without him in power.
>
> Chris
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Re: Iraq Was :R134a Refrigerant
exactly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Pqjqe.10165$lI2.3055@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Overall, the man was an
> evildoer and overall the Iraqis are much better off without him in power.
>
> Chris
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Pqjqe.10165$lI2.3055@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Overall, the man was an
> evildoer and overall the Iraqis are much better off without him in power.
>
> Chris
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
I am still a registered Democrat.
If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if
you're not conservative when
you're old then you have no brain!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
> you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
> have a straw poll among regular readers here?
> I'd imagine that denying the ozone hole problem
> would put you right up there with the biggies...
> after all, nobody in any branch of our government
> makes *that* claim! And look who's in charge!
> __
> Steve
> .
If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if
you're not conservative when
you're old then you have no brain!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
> you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
> have a straw poll among regular readers here?
> I'd imagine that denying the ozone hole problem
> would put you right up there with the biggies...
> after all, nobody in any branch of our government
> makes *that* claim! And look who's in charge!
> __
> Steve
> .
Guest
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
I am still a registered Democrat.
If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if
you're not conservative when
you're old then you have no brain!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
> you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
> have a straw poll among regular readers here?
> I'd imagine that denying the ozone hole problem
> would put you right up there with the biggies...
> after all, nobody in any branch of our government
> makes *that* claim! And look who's in charge!
> __
> Steve
> .
If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if
you're not conservative when
you're old then you have no brain!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
> you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
> have a straw poll among regular readers here?
> I'd imagine that denying the ozone hole problem
> would put you right up there with the biggies...
> after all, nobody in any branch of our government
> makes *that* claim! And look who's in charge!
> __
> Steve
> .
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
I am still a registered Democrat.
If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if
you're not conservative when
you're old then you have no brain!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
> you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
> have a straw poll among regular readers here?
> I'd imagine that denying the ozone hole problem
> would put you right up there with the biggies...
> after all, nobody in any branch of our government
> makes *that* claim! And look who's in charge!
> __
> Steve
> .
If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if
you're not conservative when
you're old then you have no brain!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
> you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
> have a straw poll among regular readers here?
> I'd imagine that denying the ozone hole problem
> would put you right up there with the biggies...
> after all, nobody in any branch of our government
> makes *that* claim! And look who's in charge!
> __
> Steve
> .