Jeff Olsen

in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:

> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
>> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>
>>
>>> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>
>>
>>
>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>
>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>
>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>
> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
> difference between HP and Torque.

Hah! Gotcha.

> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.

Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my *** off on
my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big tires;
they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)

One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig that
sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't want to
tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids around
in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I want, a
used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six years to
buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!


One question on the Tundra,
> they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
> next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
> passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
> improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.

Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra was on
the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents in the
bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest this
truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the last few
years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I wanted a
pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The Tundra
and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great power
when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...

But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled it out
for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why the
Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls *** and that
4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck I've
ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload. Looks? See
above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.

I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on the
decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing vehicle.
Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle. Everyone i
know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has more in
it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I have no
beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy puffed-up
I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.

-jeff



>
> tw
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________

twaldron

I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the 97-06
seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for offroad fun.

As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.

I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The new
Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a bit
larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the old
one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to make a
splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to gain
respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to the
"puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too small,
'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
following suit. This is a good thing.

I was just curious, thanks.

tw
______________________________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Jeff Olsen wrote:
> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>
>
>>Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>
>>>in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
>>>jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
>>>about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>
>>>Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>>>(sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>
>>>The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
>>>engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>
>>>-jeff
>>>
>>
>>Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>difference between HP and Torque.
>
>
> Hah! Gotcha.
>
>
>>You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>
>
> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my *** off on
> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big tires;
> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>
> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig that
> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't want to
> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids around
> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I want, a
> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six years to
> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>
>
> One question on the Tundra,
>
>>they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>
>
> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra was on
> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents in the
> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest this
> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the last few
> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I wanted a
> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The Tundra
> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great power
> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>
> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled it out
> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why the
> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls *** and that
> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck I've
> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload. Looks? See
> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>
> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on the
> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing vehicle.
> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle. Everyone i
> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has more in
> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I have no
> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy puffed-up
> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>>tw
>>________________________________________________ _____________________
>>2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>
>>"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>________________________________________________ _____________________
>
>

twaldron

I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the 97-06
seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for offroad fun.

As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.

I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The new
Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a bit
larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the old
one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to make a
splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to gain
respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to the
"puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too small,
'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
following suit. This is a good thing.

I was just curious, thanks.

tw
______________________________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Jeff Olsen wrote:
> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>
>
>>Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>
>>>in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
>>>jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
>>>about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>
>>>Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>>>(sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>
>>>The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
>>>engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>
>>>-jeff
>>>
>>
>>Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>difference between HP and Torque.
>
>
> Hah! Gotcha.
>
>
>>You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>
>
> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my *** off on
> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big tires;
> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>
> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig that
> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't want to
> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids around
> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I want, a
> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six years to
> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>
>
> One question on the Tundra,
>
>>they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>
>
> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra was on
> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents in the
> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest this
> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the last few
> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I wanted a
> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The Tundra
> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great power
> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>
> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled it out
> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why the
> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls *** and that
> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck I've
> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload. Looks? See
> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>
> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on the
> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing vehicle.
> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle. Everyone i
> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has more in
> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I have no
> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy puffed-up
> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>>tw
>>________________________________________________ _____________________
>>2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>
>>"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>________________________________________________ _____________________
>
>

twaldron

I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the 97-06
seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for offroad fun.

As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.

I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The new
Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a bit
larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the old
one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to make a
splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to gain
respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to the
"puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too small,
'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
following suit. This is a good thing.

I was just curious, thanks.

tw
______________________________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Jeff Olsen wrote:
> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>
>
>>Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>
>>>in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod Sprauer at
>>>jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>'06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>'07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the world is
>>>about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>
>>>Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>>>(sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>
>>>The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this fancypants '07
>>>engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>
>>>-jeff
>>>
>>
>>Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>difference between HP and Torque.
>
>
> Hah! Gotcha.
>
>
>>You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>
>
> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my *** off on
> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big tires;
> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>
> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig that
> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't want to
> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids around
> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I want, a
> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six years to
> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>
>
> One question on the Tundra,
>
>>they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>
>
> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra was on
> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents in the
> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest this
> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the last few
> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I wanted a
> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The Tundra
> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great power
> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>
> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled it out
> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why the
> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls *** and that
> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck I've
> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload. Looks? See
> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>
> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on the
> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing vehicle.
> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle. Everyone i
> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has more in
> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I have no
> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy puffed-up
> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>>tw
>>________________________________________________ _____________________
>>2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>
>>"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>________________________________________________ _____________________
>
>

Jerry Bransford

Just FYI, the Titan's tow rating is up to 9,500 lbs. It has a really
strong boxed frame (the Toyota's frame is c-channel) and its 5.6L engine
has more torque than any other truck in its class. When I buy a truck,
it's going to be a Titan. :)

Jerry

twaldron wrote:
> I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the 97-06
> seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for offroad fun.
>
> As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
> bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
> truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
> leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
> Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
> 4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.
>
> I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The new
> Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a bit
> larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the old
> one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to make a
> splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to gain
> respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to the
> "puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too small,
> 'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
> following suit. This is a good thing.
>
> I was just curious, thanks.
>
> tw
> ______________________________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>
>> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
>> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>>
>>
>>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod
>>>> Sprauer at
>>>> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the
>>>> world is
>>>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>>
>>>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>>>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>>
>>>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this
>>>> fancypants '07
>>>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>> difference between HP and Torque.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hah! Gotcha.
>>
>>
>>> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
>> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my ***
>> off on
>> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big tires;
>> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>>
>> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
>> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig
>> that
>> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't
>> want to
>> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids
>> around
>> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I
>> want, a
>> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
>> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six
>> years to
>> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>>
>>
>> One question on the Tundra,
>>
>>> they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>> next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>> passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>> improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
>> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra
>> was on
>> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
>> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
>> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents
>> in the
>> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
>> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
>> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest
>> this
>> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
>> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
>> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the
>> last few
>> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I wanted a
>> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The
>> Tundra
>> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great
>> power
>> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>>
>> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled
>> it out
>> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why the
>> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls ***
>> and that
>> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck I've
>> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload.
>> Looks? See
>> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>>
>> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on the
>> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing
>> vehicle.
>> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle.
>> Everyone i
>> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
>> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has
>> more in
>> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I have no
>> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy
>> puffed-up
>> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>> tw
>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>
>>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>>
>>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>>
>>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>
>>
>>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

Just FYI, the Titan's tow rating is up to 9,500 lbs. It has a really
strong boxed frame (the Toyota's frame is c-channel) and its 5.6L engine
has more torque than any other truck in its class. When I buy a truck,
it's going to be a Titan. :)

Jerry

twaldron wrote:
> I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the 97-06
> seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for offroad fun.
>
> As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
> bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
> truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
> leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
> Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
> 4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.
>
> I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The new
> Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a bit
> larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the old
> one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to make a
> splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to gain
> respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to the
> "puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too small,
> 'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
> following suit. This is a good thing.
>
> I was just curious, thanks.
>
> tw
> ______________________________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>
>> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
>> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>>
>>
>>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod
>>>> Sprauer at
>>>> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the
>>>> world is
>>>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>>
>>>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>>>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>>
>>>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this
>>>> fancypants '07
>>>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>> difference between HP and Torque.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hah! Gotcha.
>>
>>
>>> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
>> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my ***
>> off on
>> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big tires;
>> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>>
>> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
>> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig
>> that
>> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't
>> want to
>> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids
>> around
>> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I
>> want, a
>> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
>> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six
>> years to
>> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>>
>>
>> One question on the Tundra,
>>
>>> they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>> next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>> passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>> improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
>> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra
>> was on
>> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
>> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
>> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents
>> in the
>> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
>> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
>> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest
>> this
>> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
>> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
>> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the
>> last few
>> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I wanted a
>> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The
>> Tundra
>> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great
>> power
>> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>>
>> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled
>> it out
>> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why the
>> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls ***
>> and that
>> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck I've
>> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload.
>> Looks? See
>> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>>
>> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on the
>> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing
>> vehicle.
>> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle.
>> Everyone i
>> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
>> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has
>> more in
>> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I have no
>> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy
>> puffed-up
>> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>> tw
>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>
>>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>>
>>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>>
>>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>
>>
>>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

Just FYI, the Titan's tow rating is up to 9,500 lbs. It has a really
strong boxed frame (the Toyota's frame is c-channel) and its 5.6L engine
has more torque than any other truck in its class. When I buy a truck,
it's going to be a Titan. :)

Jerry

twaldron wrote:
> I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the 97-06
> seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for offroad fun.
>
> As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
> bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
> truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
> leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
> Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
> 4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.
>
> I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The new
> Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a bit
> larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the old
> one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to make a
> splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to gain
> respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to the
> "puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too small,
> 'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
> following suit. This is a good thing.
>
> I was just curious, thanks.
>
> tw
> ______________________________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>
>> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
>> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>>
>>
>>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod
>>>> Sprauer at
>>>> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the
>>>> world is
>>>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>>
>>>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had my TJ
>>>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>>
>>>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this
>>>> fancypants '07
>>>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>> difference between HP and Torque.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hah! Gotcha.
>>
>>
>>> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
>> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my ***
>> off on
>> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big tires;
>> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>>
>> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
>> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig
>> that
>> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't
>> want to
>> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids
>> around
>> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I
>> want, a
>> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
>> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six
>> years to
>> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>>
>>
>> One question on the Tundra,
>>
>>> they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>> next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>> passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>> improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
>> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra
>> was on
>> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
>> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
>> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents
>> in the
>> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
>> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
>> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest
>> this
>> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
>> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
>> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the
>> last few
>> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I wanted a
>> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The
>> Tundra
>> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great
>> power
>> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>>
>> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled
>> it out
>> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why the
>> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls ***
>> and that
>> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck I've
>> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload.
>> Looks? See
>> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>>
>> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on the
>> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing
>> vehicle.
>> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle.
>> Everyone i
>> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
>> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has
>> more in
>> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I have no
>> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy
>> puffed-up
>> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>> tw
>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>
>>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>>
>>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>>
>>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>
>>
>>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

twaldron

Yes, 9500#...my personal needs are closer to 6000#+. Funny, it's got
more HP than any car I've ever had, including Mustangs, Firebirds/TAs,
Vets, Camaro, etc.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________


Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Just FYI, the Titan's tow rating is up to 9,500 lbs. It has a really
> strong boxed frame (the Toyota's frame is c-channel) and its 5.6L engine
> has more torque than any other truck in its class. When I buy a truck,
> it's going to be a Titan. :)
>
> Jerry
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the
>> 97-06 seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for
>> offroad fun.
>>
>> As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
>> bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
>> truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
>> leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
>> Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
>> 4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.
>>
>> I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The
>> new Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a
>> bit larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the
>> old one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to
>> make a splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to
>> gain respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to
>> the "puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too
>> small, 'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
>> following suit. This is a good thing.
>>
>> I was just curious, thanks.
>>
>> tw
>> ______________________________________
>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>
>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>
>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>
>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>
>>> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
>>> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod
>>>>> Sprauer at
>>>>> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>>> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the
>>>>> world is
>>>>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>>>
>>>>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had
>>>>> my TJ
>>>>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this
>>>>> fancypants '07
>>>>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>>> difference between HP and Torque.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hah! Gotcha.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>>> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>>> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
>>> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my ***
>>> off on
>>> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big
>>> tires;
>>> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>>>
>>> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
>>> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig
>>> that
>>> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't
>>> want to
>>> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids
>>> around
>>> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I
>>> want, a
>>> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
>>> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six
>>> years to
>>> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>>>
>>>
>>> One question on the Tundra,
>>>
>>>> they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>>> next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>>> passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>>> improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
>>> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra
>>> was on
>>> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
>>> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
>>> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents
>>> in the
>>> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
>>> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
>>> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest
>>> this
>>> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
>>> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
>>> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the
>>> last few
>>> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I
>>> wanted a
>>> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The
>>> Tundra
>>> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great
>>> power
>>> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>>>
>>> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled
>>> it out
>>> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why
>>> the
>>> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls ***
>>> and that
>>> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck
>>> I've
>>> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload.
>>> Looks? See
>>> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>>>
>>> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on
>>> the
>>> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing
>>> vehicle.
>>> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle.
>>> Everyone i
>>> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
>>> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has
>>> more in
>>> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I
>>> have no
>>> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy
>>> puffed-up
>>> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>> tw
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>>
>>>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>>>
>>>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>>>
>>>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

twaldron

Yes, 9500#...my personal needs are closer to 6000#+. Funny, it's got
more HP than any car I've ever had, including Mustangs, Firebirds/TAs,
Vets, Camaro, etc.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________


Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Just FYI, the Titan's tow rating is up to 9,500 lbs. It has a really
> strong boxed frame (the Toyota's frame is c-channel) and its 5.6L engine
> has more torque than any other truck in its class. When I buy a truck,
> it's going to be a Titan. :)
>
> Jerry
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the
>> 97-06 seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for
>> offroad fun.
>>
>> As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
>> bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
>> truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
>> leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
>> Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
>> 4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.
>>
>> I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The
>> new Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a
>> bit larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the
>> old one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to
>> make a splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to
>> gain respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to
>> the "puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too
>> small, 'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
>> following suit. This is a good thing.
>>
>> I was just curious, thanks.
>>
>> tw
>> ______________________________________
>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>
>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>
>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>
>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>
>>> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
>>> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod
>>>>> Sprauer at
>>>>> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>>> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the
>>>>> world is
>>>>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>>>
>>>>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had
>>>>> my TJ
>>>>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this
>>>>> fancypants '07
>>>>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>>> difference between HP and Torque.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hah! Gotcha.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>>> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>>> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
>>> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my ***
>>> off on
>>> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big
>>> tires;
>>> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>>>
>>> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
>>> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig
>>> that
>>> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't
>>> want to
>>> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids
>>> around
>>> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I
>>> want, a
>>> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
>>> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six
>>> years to
>>> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>>>
>>>
>>> One question on the Tundra,
>>>
>>>> they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>>> next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>>> passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>>> improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
>>> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra
>>> was on
>>> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
>>> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
>>> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents
>>> in the
>>> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
>>> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
>>> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest
>>> this
>>> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
>>> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
>>> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the
>>> last few
>>> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I
>>> wanted a
>>> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The
>>> Tundra
>>> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great
>>> power
>>> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>>>
>>> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled
>>> it out
>>> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why
>>> the
>>> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls ***
>>> and that
>>> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck
>>> I've
>>> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload.
>>> Looks? See
>>> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>>>
>>> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on
>>> the
>>> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing
>>> vehicle.
>>> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle.
>>> Everyone i
>>> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
>>> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has
>>> more in
>>> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I
>>> have no
>>> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy
>>> puffed-up
>>> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>> tw
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>>
>>>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>>>
>>>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>>>
>>>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

twaldron

Yes, 9500#...my personal needs are closer to 6000#+. Funny, it's got
more HP than any car I've ever had, including Mustangs, Firebirds/TAs,
Vets, Camaro, etc.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________


Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Just FYI, the Titan's tow rating is up to 9,500 lbs. It has a really
> strong boxed frame (the Toyota's frame is c-channel) and its 5.6L engine
> has more torque than any other truck in its class. When I buy a truck,
> it's going to be a Titan. :)
>
> Jerry
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>> I think you're on the right track for your next TJ. The I6 in the
>> 97-06 seems to suit your needs better. You just can't fault it for
>> offroad fun.
>>
>> As far as the Titan/Tundra thing...yes, I was refering to
>> bigger/stronger as to being "better", that depends on how you use the
>> truck, of course. My needs/thoughts were different than yours, so I
>> leaned toward the Titan (towing 6000#+, carrying gear & passengers).
>> Current model performance aside, Toyota is my first choice (miss my
>> 4Runner) and they are truly competing with the Nissan Titan next year.
>>
>> I definitely see why you chose the 7/8ths Tundra for your needs. The
>> new Tacoma would probably work for you too, weaving around trees (a
>> bit larger than the tiny previous Taco...I was too tall to sit in the
>> old one). Styling goes to Toyota, I agree, but I think Nissan had to
>> make a splash with the first viable real workhorse Japanese pickup to
>> gain respect. To compete with the Dodge, Ford and Chevy in selling to
>> the "puffed up" US workman, they had to lose that under powered, too
>> small, 'tin can' image. I believe they did that and Toyota seems to be
>> following suit. This is a good thing.
>>
>> I was just curious, thanks.
>>
>> tw
>> ______________________________________
>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>
>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>
>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>
>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>
>>> in article 2KednevIf5yN_avZRVn-ug@comcast.com, twaldron at
>>> thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com wrote on 4/7/06 5:50 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jeff Olsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> in article CrfZf.12672$tN3.5182@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Jarod
>>>>> Sprauer at
>>>>> jsprauer2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/6/06 2:08 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> '06 190 hp @ 4600 rpm
>>>>>> '07 205 hp @ 5200 rpm
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So who ever runs their 4.0L I6 at 4600 rpm? Things sound like the
>>>>> world is
>>>>> about to blow up revving that high. ROAR!
>>>>>
>>>>> Where torque matters to me, in a jeep, is at or near idle. I had
>>>>> my TJ
>>>>> (sniff) geared 4.10 with 31's and it felt like an electric motor or
>>>>> something at idle. With great engine braking.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 4.7L V8 in my new Tundra, OTOH, likes to REV! It this
>>>>> fancypants '07
>>>>> engine a V6 or V8? Or did they rework the 4.0L?
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, don't listen to him. He's a used car salesman. They don't know the
>>>> difference between HP and Torque.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hah! Gotcha.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You must've been hiding under a rock to miss all the discussion on the
>>>> 'new' to the Wrangler line, V6! :) One thing it did is cure my
>>>> Upgrade-itis as far as any SWB Jeeps go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nah... I traded my TJ a few months ago and have been very busy in the
>>> meantime. Not paying attention to Jeeps. I've been skiing my ***
>>> off on
>>> my days off! (thought of the day: big thigh muscles are like big
>>> tires;
>>> they make the tough stuff soooo much easier!)
>>>
>>> One thing this V6 thing DOES do for me, is set a time limit on buying my
>>> next TJ. I learned from the first one that I don't want one as a rig
>>> that
>>> sees much street time, or at least commuting or long trips, I don't
>>> want to
>>> tow a trailer with it unnecessarily, and I don't want to haul my kids
>>> around
>>> in it. In other words, I want it to be my toy. So... for what I
>>> want, a
>>> used one is fine and one with about 70k miles would be perfectly
>>> serviceable, and half price. So... that means I've got about six
>>> years to
>>> buy a nice clean '06 with records and low miles AND THE I6 ENGINE!
>>>
>>>
>>> One question on the Tundra,
>>>
>>>> they are coming out with a new one to actually compete with the Titan
>>>> next year, why didn't you wait for THAT one? The reason I ask is that I
>>>> passed on the Toyota in favor of the Titan in '04. With the '07
>>>> improvements on the Toyota, I'd have gone with it instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aren't they just making it bigger? That's not better as far as I'm
>>> concerned. For me, it was between the Taco and Tundra. The Tundra
>>> was on
>>> the large side of what I needed. And I was not after the ultimate
>>> heavy-duty truck to pull a large boat over mountain passes at 80 mph or
>>> anything. I do use it as a truck; at 3000 miles it has several dents
>>> in the
>>> bed and I was down to bare metal in a couple bad scrapes (but I got a
>>> bedliner sprayed on yesterday)... got it stuck for the first and second
>>> times last week hauling firewood out of my woods... etc. The hardest
>>> this
>>> truck will work is big loads of firewood (4 cords so far this year) and
>>> gravel, and hauling a bunch of stuff and a small trailer full of oak
>>> firewood to elk camp every year. My Wrangler did OK with that the
>>> last few
>>> years and I hope the Tundra will do better. Other than that I
>>> wanted a
>>> pleasant commute 3-4 days a week into town a half hour each way. The
>>> Tundra
>>> and XM radio fit the bill!! Smooth, crazy quiet, fun to drive, great
>>> power
>>> when I get an excuse to pass somebody on the country roads...
>>>
>>> But to directly answer your question, the styling on the Nissan ruled
>>> it out
>>> for me. I'm not a chest-pounding kind of guy. I don't even know why
>>> the
>>> Nissan is supposed to be better? More power? The Tundra hauls ***
>>> and that
>>> 4.7L engine is a marvel. More payload? Tundra is the biggest truck
>>> I've
>>> ever had (my third) and hauls more than I care to load/unload.
>>> Looks? See
>>> above. Towing? Anything my Tundra won't tow I don't want any part of.
>>>
>>> I think also the whole... I dunno.. the whole "Toyota" thing bears on
>>> the
>>> decision too. We have a '95 Land Cruiser that is just an amazing
>>> vehicle.
>>> Talk about a capable, dependable, confindence-inspiring vehicle.
>>> Everyone i
>>> know with Toyota's loves them. My last truck was an '86 Nissan that I
>>> bought with 45k miles on it and it died at 177k miles (and still has
>>> more in
>>> it if anyone wants to put an engine in it) and I used it HARD. I
>>> have no
>>> beef with Nissan; if the Titan wasn't trying to look so tough-guy
>>> puffed-up
>>> I would've considered one. But it's hard to argue against a Toyota.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>> tw
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>>>>
>>>> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>>>>
>>>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>>>
>>>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>>>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
>>>> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>