Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On 2007-08-07 13:14:12 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:

> The (before I started having troubles) was a USB based wireless mouse,
> powered by a PCI-based USB 2.0 adaptor. I removed that adaptor and
> reverted to a PS2 mouse. There was no change to the behavior until I
> removed the wireless adaptor (NetGear), at which point (or some point
> soon thereafter) the USB card was reinstalled and the machine worked
> okay until the D-link adaptor was installed. Today, all adaptors are
> removed, and the problem comes and goes with the wireless adaptor that
> allows connection to the wireless network at my house.
>
>
>
>> Kinda tough diagnosing remotely. That's all I can think of right now.
>>
>
> It's all I can think of too, and I'm not remote ...

One other possibility, though remote: Try disabling the wired network
connection before a lock-up.
If it still does it, I'd guess your original theory looks better; a
dying bus on the motherboard, most
likely a heat-sensitive component.

New MBs are pretty cheap now if you don't want the lastest and
greatest. Just re-use the rest
and do a clean re-install of WinBlows.

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:44:35 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time.

Possibly:

o Interference from another IR or other wireless-style source

o Firewall/router not placed at the end of the chain to internet
connection

o IRQ conflicts, which can easily be brought on by:

o Power fluctuations


I'm having this same problem, due to power fluctuations in my area due
to downed lines and the cleanup efforts. IF your power backup/surge
protector goes off, there should be a log of when and why it shut down or
reacted. Can't say where that log file is as I don't do Windoze.




PF

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:44:35 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time.

Possibly:

o Interference from another IR or other wireless-style source

o Firewall/router not placed at the end of the chain to internet
connection

o IRQ conflicts, which can easily be brought on by:

o Power fluctuations


I'm having this same problem, due to power fluctuations in my area due
to downed lines and the cleanup efforts. IF your power backup/surge
protector goes off, there should be a log of when and why it shut down or
reacted. Can't say where that log file is as I don't do Windoze.




PF

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:44:35 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time.

Possibly:

o Interference from another IR or other wireless-style source

o Firewall/router not placed at the end of the chain to internet
connection

o IRQ conflicts, which can easily be brought on by:

o Power fluctuations


I'm having this same problem, due to power fluctuations in my area due
to downed lines and the cleanup efforts. IF your power backup/surge
protector goes off, there should be a log of when and why it shut down or
reacted. Can't say where that log file is as I don't do Windoze.




PF

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:44:35 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time.

Possibly:

o Interference from another IR or other wireless-style source

o Firewall/router not placed at the end of the chain to internet
connection

o IRQ conflicts, which can easily be brought on by:

o Power fluctuations


I'm having this same problem, due to power fluctuations in my area due
to downed lines and the cleanup efforts. IF your power backup/surge
protector goes off, there should be a log of when and why it shut down or
reacted. Can't say where that log file is as I don't do Windoze.




PF

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

In article <7t4ui.1865$MT3.1180@trnddc05>,
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-76930B.15010007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06>,
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the
> >> mouse
> >> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes
> >> at
> >> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
> >> the
> >> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> >> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> >> mouse no longer responds.
> >>
> >> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
> >>
> >> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> >> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> >> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
> >>
> >> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> >> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
> >> I'm
> >> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
> >> the
> >> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
> >>
> >> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock
> >> speed
> >> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
> >>
> >> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
> >> installed
> >> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
> >> more
> >> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> >> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> >> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
> >> law.
> >> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped
> >> through
> >> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> >> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
> >>
> >> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
> >> but
> >> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
> >> wireless
> >> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began
> >> again
> >> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> >> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> >> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
> >> completely
> >> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No
> >> printer
> >> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
> >> of
> >> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
> >> monitor.
> >>
> >> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> >> computer locks up.
> >>
> >> Is this a power supply issue?
> >
> > Do you have driver software for the wireless device?
> >
>
>
> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was working okay
> for a very long time.
>
> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the garage
> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
> unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned it off
> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and now it
> doesn't run.

You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?

--
"Fire up a colortini, sit back, relax, and watch the pictures, now,
as they fly through the air."
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Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

In article <7t4ui.1865$MT3.1180@trnddc05>,
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-76930B.15010007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06>,
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the
> >> mouse
> >> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes
> >> at
> >> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
> >> the
> >> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> >> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> >> mouse no longer responds.
> >>
> >> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
> >>
> >> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> >> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> >> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
> >>
> >> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> >> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
> >> I'm
> >> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
> >> the
> >> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
> >>
> >> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock
> >> speed
> >> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
> >>
> >> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
> >> installed
> >> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
> >> more
> >> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> >> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> >> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
> >> law.
> >> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped
> >> through
> >> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> >> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
> >>
> >> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
> >> but
> >> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
> >> wireless
> >> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began
> >> again
> >> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> >> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> >> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
> >> completely
> >> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No
> >> printer
> >> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
> >> of
> >> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
> >> monitor.
> >>
> >> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> >> computer locks up.
> >>
> >> Is this a power supply issue?
> >
> > Do you have driver software for the wireless device?
> >
>
>
> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was working okay
> for a very long time.
>
> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the garage
> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
> unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned it off
> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and now it
> doesn't run.

You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?

--
"Fire up a colortini, sit back, relax, and watch the pictures, now,
as they fly through the air."
Tom Snyder

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

In article <7t4ui.1865$MT3.1180@trnddc05>,
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-76930B.15010007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06>,
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the
> >> mouse
> >> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes
> >> at
> >> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
> >> the
> >> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> >> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> >> mouse no longer responds.
> >>
> >> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
> >>
> >> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> >> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> >> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
> >>
> >> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> >> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
> >> I'm
> >> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
> >> the
> >> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
> >>
> >> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock
> >> speed
> >> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
> >>
> >> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
> >> installed
> >> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
> >> more
> >> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> >> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> >> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
> >> law.
> >> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped
> >> through
> >> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> >> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
> >>
> >> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
> >> but
> >> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
> >> wireless
> >> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began
> >> again
> >> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> >> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> >> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
> >> completely
> >> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No
> >> printer
> >> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
> >> of
> >> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
> >> monitor.
> >>
> >> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> >> computer locks up.
> >>
> >> Is this a power supply issue?
> >
> > Do you have driver software for the wireless device?
> >
>
>
> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was working okay
> for a very long time.
>
> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the garage
> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
> unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned it off
> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and now it
> doesn't run.

You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?

--
"Fire up a colortini, sit back, relax, and watch the pictures, now,
as they fly through the air."
Tom Snyder

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

In article <7t4ui.1865$MT3.1180@trnddc05>,
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-76930B.15010007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06>,
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the
> >> mouse
> >> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes
> >> at
> >> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
> >> the
> >> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> >> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> >> mouse no longer responds.
> >>
> >> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
> >>
> >> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> >> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> >> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
> >>
> >> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> >> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
> >> I'm
> >> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
> >> the
> >> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
> >>
> >> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock
> >> speed
> >> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
> >>
> >> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
> >> installed
> >> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
> >> more
> >> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> >> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> >> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
> >> law.
> >> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped
> >> through
> >> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> >> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
> >>
> >> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
> >> but
> >> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
> >> wireless
> >> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began
> >> again
> >> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> >> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> >> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
> >> completely
> >> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No
> >> printer
> >> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
> >> of
> >> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
> >> monitor.
> >>
> >> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> >> computer locks up.
> >>
> >> Is this a power supply issue?
> >
> > Do you have driver software for the wireless device?
> >
>
>
> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was working okay
> for a very long time.
>
> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the garage
> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
> unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned it off
> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and now it
> doesn't run.

You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?

--
"Fire up a colortini, sit back, relax, and watch the pictures, now,
as they fly through the air."
Tom Snyder

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

I'm sure you've run Ad-aware for a malicious PIN harvester, that's
usually the reason for the conflict:
http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php
I had to give up on a Problem like yours after I installed all the
Windows XP Pro upgrades, Explorer 7, that required a new, longer password
for my Linksys Router. By the time I figured that out, a hacker had lock in
use the wireless from: 169.254.106.67 which jammed my ------.net and
machine. So, I just turn it off with that button we have on the front, and
used my network cable for that machine. If that's your problem just double
click on the wireless icon in your tray, and there will be the strange
numbers, that have noting to do with your connections.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06...
> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
the
> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> mouse no longer responds.
>
> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>
> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>
> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
I'm
> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
the
> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>
> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock speed
> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>
> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
installed
> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
more
> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
law.
> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped through
> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>
> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
but
> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
wireless
> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began again
> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
completely
> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No printer
> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
of
> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
monitor.
>
> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> computer locks up.
>
> Is this a power supply issue?
>
>
>
>
>



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