Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
news:f9air1$u0s$1@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> Is this a power supply issue?
>
> It sounds like an IRQ problem. The other PCI devices in your machine do
> not like the wireless adapter. Have you
> also added any other PCI cards, new OR replacements, to your box recently?
> Also check the wireless adapter
> manufacturer's site for updated drivers which may address the issue.
>

No, nothing new. Yes, I checked for updates. The original adaptor (NetGear)
and the new one (D-Link) are both doing the same thing.




> When the box locks up, can you get any reaction from the Windows key on
> your keyboard?
>

No, no action from any of the keys.

The (before I started having troubles) was a USB based wireless mouse,
powered by a PCI-based USB 2.0 adaptor. I removed that adaptor and reverted
to a PS2 mouse. There was no change to the behavior until I removed the
wireless adaptor (NetGear), at which point (or some point soon thereafter)
the USB card was reinstalled and the machine worked okay until the D-link
adaptor was installed. Today, all adaptors are removed, and the problem
comes and goes with the wireless adaptor that allows connection to the
wireless network at my house.



> Kinda tough diagnosing remotely. That's all I can think of right now.
>

It's all I can think of too, and I'm not remote ...

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
news:f9air1$u0s$1@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> Is this a power supply issue?
>
> It sounds like an IRQ problem. The other PCI devices in your machine do
> not like the wireless adapter. Have you
> also added any other PCI cards, new OR replacements, to your box recently?
> Also check the wireless adapter
> manufacturer's site for updated drivers which may address the issue.
>

No, nothing new. Yes, I checked for updates. The original adaptor (NetGear)
and the new one (D-Link) are both doing the same thing.




> When the box locks up, can you get any reaction from the Windows key on
> your keyboard?
>

No, no action from any of the keys.

The (before I started having troubles) was a USB based wireless mouse,
powered by a PCI-based USB 2.0 adaptor. I removed that adaptor and reverted
to a PS2 mouse. There was no change to the behavior until I removed the
wireless adaptor (NetGear), at which point (or some point soon thereafter)
the USB card was reinstalled and the machine worked okay until the D-link
adaptor was installed. Today, all adaptors are removed, and the problem
comes and goes with the wireless adaptor that allows connection to the
wireless network at my house.



> Kinda tough diagnosing remotely. That's all I can think of right now.
>

It's all I can think of too, and I'm not remote ...

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
news:f9air1$u0s$1@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> Is this a power supply issue?
>
> It sounds like an IRQ problem. The other PCI devices in your machine do
> not like the wireless adapter. Have you
> also added any other PCI cards, new OR replacements, to your box recently?
> Also check the wireless adapter
> manufacturer's site for updated drivers which may address the issue.
>

No, nothing new. Yes, I checked for updates. The original adaptor (NetGear)
and the new one (D-Link) are both doing the same thing.




> When the box locks up, can you get any reaction from the Windows key on
> your keyboard?
>

No, no action from any of the keys.

The (before I started having troubles) was a USB based wireless mouse,
powered by a PCI-based USB 2.0 adaptor. I removed that adaptor and reverted
to a PS2 mouse. There was no change to the behavior until I removed the
wireless adaptor (NetGear), at which point (or some point soon thereafter)
the USB card was reinstalled and the machine worked okay until the D-link
adaptor was installed. Today, all adaptors are removed, and the problem
comes and goes with the wireless adaptor that allows connection to the
wireless network at my house.



> Kinda tough diagnosing remotely. That's all I can think of right now.
>

It's all I can think of too, and I'm not remote ...

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

" dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
news:nps-76930B.15010007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06>,
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the
>> mouse
>> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes
>> at
>> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
>> the
>> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
>> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
>> mouse no longer responds.
>>
>> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>>
>> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
>> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
>> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>>
>> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
>> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
>> I'm
>> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
>> the
>> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>>
>> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock
>> speed
>> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>>
>> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
>> installed
>> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
>> more
>> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
>> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
>> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
>> law.
>> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped
>> through
>> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
>> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>>
>> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
>> but
>> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
>> wireless
>> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began
>> again
>> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
>> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
>> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
>> completely
>> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No
>> printer
>> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
>> of
>> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
>> monitor.
>>
>> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
>> computer locks up.
>>
>> Is this a power supply issue?
>
> Do you have driver software for the wireless device?
>


Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was working okay
for a very long time.

I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the garage
and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned it off
one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and now it
doesn't run.

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

" dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
news:nps-76930B.15010007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06>,
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the
>> mouse
>> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes
>> at
>> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
>> the
>> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
>> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
>> mouse no longer responds.
>>
>> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>>
>> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
>> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
>> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>>
>> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
>> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
>> I'm
>> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
>> the
>> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>>
>> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock
>> speed
>> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>>
>> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
>> installed
>> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
>> more
>> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
>> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
>> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
>> law.
>> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped
>> through
>> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
>> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>>
>> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
>> but
>> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
>> wireless
>> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began
>> again
>> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
>> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
>> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
>> completely
>> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No
>> printer
>> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
>> of
>> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
>> monitor.
>>
>> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
>> computer locks up.
>>
>> Is this a power supply issue?
>
> Do you have driver software for the wireless device?
>


Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was working okay
for a very long time.

I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the garage
and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned it off
one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and now it
doesn't run.

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

" dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
news:nps-76930B.15010007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06>,
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the
>> mouse
>> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes
>> at
>> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
>> the
>> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
>> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
>> mouse no longer responds.
>>
>> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>>
>> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
>> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
>> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>>
>> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
>> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
>> I'm
>> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
>> the
>> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>>
>> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock
>> speed
>> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>>
>> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
>> installed
>> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
>> more
>> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
>> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
>> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
>> law.
>> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped
>> through
>> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
>> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>>
>> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
>> but
>> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
>> wireless
>> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began
>> again
>> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
>> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
>> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
>> completely
>> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No
>> printer
>> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
>> of
>> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
>> monitor.
>>
>> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
>> computer locks up.
>>
>> Is this a power supply issue?
>
> Do you have driver software for the wireless device?
>


Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was working okay
for a very long time.

I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the garage
and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned it off
one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and now it
doesn't run.

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

" dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
news:nps-76930B.15010007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06>,
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the
>> mouse
>> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes
>> at
>> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
>> the
>> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
>> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
>> mouse no longer responds.
>>
>> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>>
>> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
>> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
>> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>>
>> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
>> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
>> I'm
>> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
>> the
>> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>>
>> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock
>> speed
>> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>>
>> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
>> installed
>> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
>> more
>> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
>> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
>> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
>> law.
>> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped
>> through
>> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
>> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>>
>> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
>> but
>> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
>> wireless
>> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began
>> again
>> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
>> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
>> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
>> completely
>> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No
>> printer
>> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
>> of
>> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
>> monitor.
>>
>> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
>> computer locks up.
>>
>> Is this a power supply issue?
>
> Do you have driver software for the wireless device?
>


Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was working okay
for a very long time.

I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the garage
and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are normally
unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I turned it off
one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and now it
doesn't run.

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On 2007-08-07 13:14:12 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:

> The (before I started having troubles) was a USB based wireless mouse,
> powered by a PCI-based USB 2.0 adaptor. I removed that adaptor and
> reverted to a PS2 mouse. There was no change to the behavior until I
> removed the wireless adaptor (NetGear), at which point (or some point
> soon thereafter) the USB card was reinstalled and the machine worked
> okay until the D-link adaptor was installed. Today, all adaptors are
> removed, and the problem comes and goes with the wireless adaptor that
> allows connection to the wireless network at my house.
>
>
>
>> Kinda tough diagnosing remotely. That's all I can think of right now.
>>
>
> It's all I can think of too, and I'm not remote ...

One other possibility, though remote: Try disabling the wired network
connection before a lock-up.
If it still does it, I'd guess your original theory looks better; a
dying bus on the motherboard, most
likely a heat-sensitive component.

New MBs are pretty cheap now if you don't want the lastest and
greatest. Just re-use the rest
and do a clean re-install of WinBlows.

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On 2007-08-07 13:14:12 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:

> The (before I started having troubles) was a USB based wireless mouse,
> powered by a PCI-based USB 2.0 adaptor. I removed that adaptor and
> reverted to a PS2 mouse. There was no change to the behavior until I
> removed the wireless adaptor (NetGear), at which point (or some point
> soon thereafter) the USB card was reinstalled and the machine worked
> okay until the D-link adaptor was installed. Today, all adaptors are
> removed, and the problem comes and goes with the wireless adaptor that
> allows connection to the wireless network at my house.
>
>
>
>> Kinda tough diagnosing remotely. That's all I can think of right now.
>>
>
> It's all I can think of too, and I'm not remote ...

One other possibility, though remote: Try disabling the wired network
connection before a lock-up.
If it still does it, I'd guess your original theory looks better; a
dying bus on the motherboard, most
likely a heat-sensitive component.

New MBs are pretty cheap now if you don't want the lastest and
greatest. Just re-use the rest
and do a clean re-install of WinBlows.

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On 2007-08-07 13:14:12 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:

> The (before I started having troubles) was a USB based wireless mouse,
> powered by a PCI-based USB 2.0 adaptor. I removed that adaptor and
> reverted to a PS2 mouse. There was no change to the behavior until I
> removed the wireless adaptor (NetGear), at which point (or some point
> soon thereafter) the USB card was reinstalled and the machine worked
> okay until the D-link adaptor was installed. Today, all adaptors are
> removed, and the problem comes and goes with the wireless adaptor that
> allows connection to the wireless network at my house.
>
>
>
>> Kinda tough diagnosing remotely. That's all I can think of right now.
>>
>
> It's all I can think of too, and I'm not remote ...

One other possibility, though remote: Try disabling the wired network
connection before a lock-up.
If it still does it, I'd guess your original theory looks better; a
dying bus on the motherboard, most
likely a heat-sensitive component.

New MBs are pretty cheap now if you don't want the lastest and
greatest. Just re-use the rest
and do a clean re-install of WinBlows.