Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:32:52 +0000, Jeff Strickland wrote:

>
> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
> news:nps-DED5B9.16594007082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <eD5ui.7625$dD3.2352@trnddc07>, "Jeff Strickland"
>> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> " dbu.," <nps@alllegal.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nps-5E9355.16062407082007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. I have the drivers for all of the added stuff, and it was
>>> >> working okay
>>> >> for a very long time.
>>> >>
>>> >> I realize that my problem is sorta like, I pushed the car out of the
>>> >> garage
>>> >> and now it won't start, where pushing it and starting it are
>>> >> normally unrelated activities, but this computer worked okay until I
>>> >> turned it off
>>> >> one day and moved it to another table and started it up again, and
>>> >> now it
>>> >> doesn't run.
>>> >
>>> > You mean the wireless doesn't run, the computer otherwise works fine?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, yeah. When the old heap is up on blocks, it runs fine. But when I
>>> put
>>> the tires on and take the jack stands out, it stalls again (to keep my
>>> bad
>>> analogy alive) ...
>>
>> I wonder if the old drivers are still in the computer or do the new ones
>> overwrite the old?
>>
>> I'm not so sure it's hardware. If it were me I'd be looking at
>> SW/driver before replacing an otherwise good running machine.
>>
>> Aren't computers fun...GL
>>
>>
> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a forced
> reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless drivers I am
> dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside, the machine
> seems to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses the PCI bus.
> Maybe my hints at a bad power supply are not accurate ...
>
> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began
> working poorly. No software or hardware had been installed or modified,
> all we did was unplug the machine and set it up on another table to pull
> our private files -- pictures, Word Documents, that sort of stuff -- off
> of it.
>
> We've already replaced the machine, but I can find a new home for it if I
> can make it run. It works fine in a stand alone environment, but I really
> need it to be connected to the wireless network. I suppose I could drag it
> close to the router and plug in a CAT 5 cable, but that does not give me
> what I'm really looking for. And, that requires a NIC card and a CAT 5
> cable.


Have you gone into the BIOS and disabled the on-board NIC?
My machine here locks when I install an Attache 'thumb drive', unless I
remove my Trackball and use an optical mouse.

My previous machine would lock up when the On-Board NIC was enabled. Damn
thing never worked, so when I installed a 3Com card NIC it would freeze up
unless the On-Board was disabled.

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

Jeff, power supplies are real cheap, I think you said that too. I have two
or three lying around as spares, just in case. I don't think it will fix
it, but you never know until you swap it out.

I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the software
that comes with the wireless card.

Are the CPU fan and the one in the power supply turning? I had one just
stop once. I spotted it before anything else failed.

Cheers,

Earle

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06...
> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
the
> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> mouse no longer responds.
>
> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>
> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>
> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
I'm
> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
the
> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>
> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock speed
> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>
> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
installed
> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
more
> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
law.
> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped through
> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>
> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
but
> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
wireless
> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began again
> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
completely
> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No printer
> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
of
> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
monitor.
>
> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> computer locks up.
>
> Is this a power supply issue?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

Jeff, power supplies are real cheap, I think you said that too. I have two
or three lying around as spares, just in case. I don't think it will fix
it, but you never know until you swap it out.

I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the software
that comes with the wireless card.

Are the CPU fan and the one in the power supply turning? I had one just
stop once. I spotted it before anything else failed.

Cheers,

Earle

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06...
> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
the
> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> mouse no longer responds.
>
> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>
> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>
> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
I'm
> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
the
> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>
> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock speed
> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>
> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
installed
> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
more
> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
law.
> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped through
> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>
> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
but
> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
wireless
> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began again
> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
completely
> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No printer
> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
of
> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
monitor.
>
> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> computer locks up.
>
> Is this a power supply issue?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

Jeff, power supplies are real cheap, I think you said that too. I have two
or three lying around as spares, just in case. I don't think it will fix
it, but you never know until you swap it out.

I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the software
that comes with the wireless card.

Are the CPU fan and the one in the power supply turning? I had one just
stop once. I spotted it before anything else failed.

Cheers,

Earle

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06...
> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
the
> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> mouse no longer responds.
>
> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>
> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>
> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
I'm
> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
the
> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>
> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock speed
> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>
> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
installed
> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
more
> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
law.
> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped through
> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>
> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
but
> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
wireless
> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began again
> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
completely
> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No printer
> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
of
> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
monitor.
>
> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> computer locks up.
>
> Is this a power supply issue?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

Jeff, power supplies are real cheap, I think you said that too. I have two
or three lying around as spares, just in case. I don't think it will fix
it, but you never know until you swap it out.

I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the software
that comes with the wireless card.

Are the CPU fan and the one in the power supply turning? I had one just
stop once. I spotted it before anything else failed.

Cheers,

Earle

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DY3ui.18645$ug3.17126@trnddc06...
> I have a PC that was running okay, but developed a problem where the mouse
> locks up -- stops moving -- and the entire rest of the computer freezes at
> the same time. In the grand scheme of chicken-and-egg, I don't know that
the
> computer freezes and the mouse stops moving, or the mouse stops and the
> computer freezes. I only know that the computer has stopped because the
> mouse no longer responds.
>
> I have to physically shut the computer off by holding the power switch.
>
> After many hours of checking, I discovered that if I remove the wireless
> adaptor, the computer works properly for days on end. When I install the
> wireless adaptor, the computer will lock up within a few minutes.
>
> I'm certain that I have a hardware problem, and I think I have a power
> supply issue on my hands. The wireless adaptor is a PCI bus device, and
I'm
> thinking the bus power supply is teetering on the brink of collapse, and
the
> adaptor pushes it over the edge.
>
> The motherboard is based on Celeron architecture, I forget the clock speed
> but 900 MHz sticks in my head.
>
> This machine worked for years without ever giving me a problem. I
installed
> the wireless adaptor about two years ago and was a broadband bandit for
more
> than a year before I broke down and bought fiber optic service for my
> internet access. In the past ten days, I bought a new Core-2 Intel
> something-or-other, and was going to sell the Celeron to my brother in
law.
> While removing my files, the mouse started acting up, and I jumped through
> all kinds of hoops trying to get the machine to work, I finally bought
> another Core 2 something-or-other for my BIL.
>
> I found that the Celeron machine now works flawlessly for days and days,
but
> I did not realize the wireless adaptor was a key. I installed a new
wireless
> adaptor -- different from the original one -- and the problems began again
> within minutes. Sometimes the machine will lock up on the Desktop while
> booting, other times it will boot okay but lock up a while later. In any
> case, it always locks up in less than about 20 minutes. The PC is
completely
> stripped right now, it has a keyboard, mouse, and monitor only. No printer
> or any other peripheral, including CD drive or 3.5" floppy. From the view
of
> the power supply, there is only a motherboard, mouse, keyboard, and
monitor.
>
> When the wireless adaptor is installed into any of the 3 PCI ports, the
> computer locks up.
>
> Is this a power supply issue?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:
>
>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key code
>> right before it crapped the first time after installing the wireless
>> adaptor.
>>
>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power supply
>> is an easy fix, and cheap too ...
>
> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an active
> connection. Check it via
> the Control Panel's icon.
>

I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:
>
>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key code
>> right before it crapped the first time after installing the wireless
>> adaptor.
>>
>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power supply
>> is an easy fix, and cheap too ...
>
> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an active
> connection. Check it via
> the Control Panel's icon.
>

I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:
>
>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key code
>> right before it crapped the first time after installing the wireless
>> adaptor.
>>
>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power supply
>> is an easy fix, and cheap too ...
>
> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an active
> connection. Check it via
> the Control Panel's icon.
>

I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message
news:f9atgd$46m$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 2007-08-07 14:30:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> said:
>
>> I did a fresh install of WinDoze a few minutes before I went and bought
>> another machine. I managed to get a successful activation of the key code
>> right before it crapped the first time after installing the wireless
>> adaptor.
>>
>> I don't have a wired network on the machine, only a wireless one. I was
>> hoping for a power supply problem ahead of a motherboard problem. I'll
>> likely not fix the motherboard if that is the trouble, but a power supply
>> is an easy fix, and cheap too ...
>
> You may not have a cable plugged in, but I'll wager you've got an active
> connection. Check it via
> the Control Panel's icon.
>

I do not have a NIC (Network Interface Card) on the machine ...

Re: {{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss
 

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:f9atsc$so1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jeff, power supplies are real cheap, I think you said that too. I have
> two
> or three lying around as spares, just in case. I don't think it will fix
> it, but you never know until you swap it out.
>
> I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the
> software
> that comes with the wireless card.
>

No Windows upgrade. I did a reinstall, but that was a response to the
problem, and the problem persists ONLY when the hardware is installed.



> Are the CPU fan and the one in the power supply turning? I had one just
> stop once. I spotted it before anything else failed.


Yeah, the fans are running.