billy ray

Earle,

I think his concern is whether this garage wanted to just replace his rotors
to pad the bill rather than should he machine them to an illegal depth.

I base this on his comment that they did not check his gas cap (which turned
out to be the cause of the codes) and 'waffled' about that being a
possibility....


"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:447c478c$0$24286$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Need to replace rotors is a "yes" or "no" question, there is nothing
> subjective about it. If they do not meet the required thickness
> specification, they are junk. At least, that is what the law says.
>
> Earle
>
> "kokonutty" <islander2000@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1148968747.168187.115620@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> kokonutty wrote:
>> > 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
>> > P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
>> > gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
>> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
>> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
>> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
>> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
>> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
>> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>>
>> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
>> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
>> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
>> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
>> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
>> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
>> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
>> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
>> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
>> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
>> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
>> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.
>>
>
>
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

billy ray

Earle,

I think his concern is whether this garage wanted to just replace his rotors
to pad the bill rather than should he machine them to an illegal depth.

I base this on his comment that they did not check his gas cap (which turned
out to be the cause of the codes) and 'waffled' about that being a
possibility....


"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:447c478c$0$24286$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Need to replace rotors is a "yes" or "no" question, there is nothing
> subjective about it. If they do not meet the required thickness
> specification, they are junk. At least, that is what the law says.
>
> Earle
>
> "kokonutty" <islander2000@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1148968747.168187.115620@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> kokonutty wrote:
>> > 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
>> > P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
>> > gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
>> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
>> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
>> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
>> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
>> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
>> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>>
>> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
>> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
>> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
>> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
>> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
>> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
>> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
>> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
>> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
>> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
>> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
>> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.
>>
>
>
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

Jeff Strickland

"kokonutty" <islander2000@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1148968747.168187.115620@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> kokonutty wrote:
>> 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
>> P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
>> gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>

That begs the question, why didn't the smog station do that for you? All he
had to do is pressure test the cap, which is a standard part of our smog
checks in California.




> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.
>

The way to find out if you need brakes and rotors now or later is to look at
them now, or wait for later when the make noise.

HINT
It's best to do them before they make noise.

Jeff Strickland

"kokonutty" <islander2000@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1148968747.168187.115620@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> kokonutty wrote:
>> 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
>> P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
>> gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>

That begs the question, why didn't the smog station do that for you? All he
had to do is pressure test the cap, which is a standard part of our smog
checks in California.




> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.
>

The way to find out if you need brakes and rotors now or later is to look at
them now, or wait for later when the make noise.

HINT
It's best to do them before they make noise.

Jeff Strickland

"kokonutty" <islander2000@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1148968747.168187.115620@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> kokonutty wrote:
>> 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
>> P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
>> gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>

That begs the question, why didn't the smog station do that for you? All he
had to do is pressure test the cap, which is a standard part of our smog
checks in California.




> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.
>

The way to find out if you need brakes and rotors now or later is to look at
them now, or wait for later when the make noise.

HINT
It's best to do them before they make noise.

kokonutty

kokonutty wrote:
> kokonutty wrote:
> > 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
> > P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
> > gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>
> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.


Okay, so the light came on again after a couiple of days so I replaced
the gas cap and the station cleared the codes, I put on 150 miles to
get the computer "ready" and the Jeep passed the emissions test. (The
brakes passed the safety test as is).

Three weeks later the "check engine" light is back. Assuming I get the
same codes this time (0442 and 0455-small and large leaks) where is a
logical place to find a probably intermittent evaporations system leak?
With a specific target, I may try to find it now, otherwise, I'll just
wait until I need the emissions test again next year.

kokonutty

kokonutty wrote:
> kokonutty wrote:
> > 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
> > P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
> > gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>
> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.


Okay, so the light came on again after a couiple of days so I replaced
the gas cap and the station cleared the codes, I put on 150 miles to
get the computer "ready" and the Jeep passed the emissions test. (The
brakes passed the safety test as is).

Three weeks later the "check engine" light is back. Assuming I get the
same codes this time (0442 and 0455-small and large leaks) where is a
logical place to find a probably intermittent evaporations system leak?
With a specific target, I may try to find it now, otherwise, I'll just
wait until I need the emissions test again next year.

kokonutty

kokonutty wrote:
> kokonutty wrote:
> > 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
> > P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
> > gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>
> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.


Okay, so the light came on again after a couiple of days so I replaced
the gas cap and the station cleared the codes, I put on 150 miles to
get the computer "ready" and the Jeep passed the emissions test. (The
brakes passed the safety test as is).

Three weeks later the "check engine" light is back. Assuming I get the
same codes this time (0442 and 0455-small and large leaks) where is a
logical place to find a probably intermittent evaporations system leak?
With a specific target, I may try to find it now, otherwise, I'll just
wait until I need the emissions test again next year.

kokonutty

kokonutty wrote:
> kokonutty wrote:
> > 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
> > P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
> > gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>
> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.


Okay, so the light came on again after a couiple of days so I replaced
the gas cap and the station cleared the codes, I put on 150 miles to
get the computer "ready" and the Jeep passed the emissions test. (The
brakes passed the safety test as is).

Three weeks later the "check engine" light is back. Assuming I get the
same codes this time (0442 and 0455-small and large leaks) where is a
logical place to find a probably intermittent evaporations system leak?
With a specific target, I may try to find it now, otherwise, I'll just
wait until I need the emissions test again next year.

kokonutty

kokonutty wrote:
> kokonutty wrote:
> > 2001 XJ (58,000 miles) failed and has codes P0442 (small leak) and
> > P0455 (large leak) in the evaporative emissions system. Other than the
> > gas cap, does anyone have any ideas what to look for first? Thanks.
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies and, as my first message stated, I was
> looking for things to look for if I checked out the gas cap and needed
> to go beyond there. I was trying to have Plan B, C, etc. in mind
> before starting. Turns out even that was more than I needed. I
> disconnected the battery to reset the codes and got none after making
> sure the gas cap was tight. After a few days and a number of trips the
> light is still out. That "problem" is over for now.
>
> This place had been recommended to me as a place that is liberal in
> getting cars to pass, but they didn't even reset the codes and check
> out the cap and kind of waffled when I asked about the cap so I'm not
> going back there. I know my brakes are not that great but now I'm also
> questioning whether I need the rotors replaced now as they said or I
> can go a while first. I was reading the newspaper in the office when
> they pulled the wheel and "determined" I needed replacements but they
> didn't call me in to show me. So I need to get reinspected in the next
> two days and if I need brakes, I'll take a look and get them (original
> rotors, pads at 40K, sometimes drive a bayside road that floods at high
> tide - salt water) but I'm not giving the business to the "recommended"
> guy...screw 'em. Thanks again.


Okay, so the light came on again after a couiple of days so I replaced
the gas cap and the station cleared the codes, I put on 150 miles to
get the computer "ready" and the Jeep passed the emissions test. (The
brakes passed the safety test as is).

Three weeks later the "check engine" light is back. Assuming I get the
same codes this time (0442 and 0455-small and large leaks) where is a
logical place to find a probably intermittent evaporations system leak?
With a specific target, I may try to find it now, otherwise, I'll just
wait until I need the emissions test again next year.