wrangler towed in gear
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
Mike and John,
Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
#1 151 psi
#2 155 psi
#3 152 psi
#4 156 psi
We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
to have some oil on it:
http://public.webbox.com/680000/
As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
anything coming out.
What do you think of those readings?
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:06:18 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>That is not a good thing...
>
>Anyway the pump quitting sounds like it is a coincidence or maybe when
>the head gasket blew, the water went low and the pump bearings burned
>out would be my guess.
>
>I would be pulling the plugs to see which one is really clean. This
>clean one(s) will be the one with water in it.
>
>A compression test is in order. Testers are cheap and it can tell you
>if it is a toasted head gasket or worse the rings or a piston broken
>too.
>
>The head has to come off anyway by the sounds of it so doing a wet/dry
>compression test can tell you about the rings usually. If the rings are
>toast, the engine will need a rebuild
>
>White smoke is water, blue is oil, mix them and get bad news gray...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
#1 151 psi
#2 155 psi
#3 152 psi
#4 156 psi
We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
to have some oil on it:
http://public.webbox.com/680000/
As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
anything coming out.
What do you think of those readings?
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:06:18 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>That is not a good thing...
>
>Anyway the pump quitting sounds like it is a coincidence or maybe when
>the head gasket blew, the water went low and the pump bearings burned
>out would be my guess.
>
>I would be pulling the plugs to see which one is really clean. This
>clean one(s) will be the one with water in it.
>
>A compression test is in order. Testers are cheap and it can tell you
>if it is a toasted head gasket or worse the rings or a piston broken
>too.
>
>The head has to come off anyway by the sounds of it so doing a wet/dry
>compression test can tell you about the rings usually. If the rings are
>toast, the engine will need a rebuild
>
>White smoke is water, blue is oil, mix them and get bad news gray...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
Mike and John,
Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
#1 151 psi
#2 155 psi
#3 152 psi
#4 156 psi
We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
to have some oil on it:
http://public.webbox.com/680000/
As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
anything coming out.
What do you think of those readings?
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:06:18 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>That is not a good thing...
>
>Anyway the pump quitting sounds like it is a coincidence or maybe when
>the head gasket blew, the water went low and the pump bearings burned
>out would be my guess.
>
>I would be pulling the plugs to see which one is really clean. This
>clean one(s) will be the one with water in it.
>
>A compression test is in order. Testers are cheap and it can tell you
>if it is a toasted head gasket or worse the rings or a piston broken
>too.
>
>The head has to come off anyway by the sounds of it so doing a wet/dry
>compression test can tell you about the rings usually. If the rings are
>toast, the engine will need a rebuild
>
>White smoke is water, blue is oil, mix them and get bad news gray...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
#1 151 psi
#2 155 psi
#3 152 psi
#4 156 psi
We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
to have some oil on it:
http://public.webbox.com/680000/
As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
anything coming out.
What do you think of those readings?
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:06:18 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>That is not a good thing...
>
>Anyway the pump quitting sounds like it is a coincidence or maybe when
>the head gasket blew, the water went low and the pump bearings burned
>out would be my guess.
>
>I would be pulling the plugs to see which one is really clean. This
>clean one(s) will be the one with water in it.
>
>A compression test is in order. Testers are cheap and it can tell you
>if it is a toasted head gasket or worse the rings or a piston broken
>too.
>
>The head has to come off anyway by the sounds of it so doing a wet/dry
>compression test can tell you about the rings usually. If the rings are
>toast, the engine will need a rebuild
>
>White smoke is water, blue is oil, mix them and get bad news gray...
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
You guys haven't driven a Ford lately. My Bronco gets the same ten
miles to the gallon with or without the Jeep on the back going over our
mile high mountains on the way to the desert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> I'll second that. I would say that it's quite "possible" for the stick to
> slide into a gear - as my '85 CJ7's stick will slide into any gear quite
> easily without depressing the clutch pedal (as long as it's parked), but the
> second it did that while he was towing it, it would have created one hell of
> a tug on him while he was driving. Maybe your transmission is toast, but
> that likely wouldn't explain the coolant.
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
miles to the gallon with or without the Jeep on the back going over our
mile high mountains on the way to the desert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> I'll second that. I would say that it's quite "possible" for the stick to
> slide into a gear - as my '85 CJ7's stick will slide into any gear quite
> easily without depressing the clutch pedal (as long as it's parked), but the
> second it did that while he was towing it, it would have created one hell of
> a tug on him while he was driving. Maybe your transmission is toast, but
> that likely wouldn't explain the coolant.
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
You guys haven't driven a Ford lately. My Bronco gets the same ten
miles to the gallon with or without the Jeep on the back going over our
mile high mountains on the way to the desert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> I'll second that. I would say that it's quite "possible" for the stick to
> slide into a gear - as my '85 CJ7's stick will slide into any gear quite
> easily without depressing the clutch pedal (as long as it's parked), but the
> second it did that while he was towing it, it would have created one hell of
> a tug on him while he was driving. Maybe your transmission is toast, but
> that likely wouldn't explain the coolant.
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
miles to the gallon with or without the Jeep on the back going over our
mile high mountains on the way to the desert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> I'll second that. I would say that it's quite "possible" for the stick to
> slide into a gear - as my '85 CJ7's stick will slide into any gear quite
> easily without depressing the clutch pedal (as long as it's parked), but the
> second it did that while he was towing it, it would have created one hell of
> a tug on him while he was driving. Maybe your transmission is toast, but
> that likely wouldn't explain the coolant.
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
You guys haven't driven a Ford lately. My Bronco gets the same ten
miles to the gallon with or without the Jeep on the back going over our
mile high mountains on the way to the desert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> I'll second that. I would say that it's quite "possible" for the stick to
> slide into a gear - as my '85 CJ7's stick will slide into any gear quite
> easily without depressing the clutch pedal (as long as it's parked), but the
> second it did that while he was towing it, it would have created one hell of
> a tug on him while he was driving. Maybe your transmission is toast, but
> that likely wouldn't explain the coolant.
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
miles to the gallon with or without the Jeep on the back going over our
mile high mountains on the way to the desert.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
griffin wrote:
>
> I'll second that. I would say that it's quite "possible" for the stick to
> slide into a gear - as my '85 CJ7's stick will slide into any gear quite
> easily without depressing the clutch pedal (as long as it's parked), but the
> second it did that while he was towing it, it would have created one hell of
> a tug on him while he was driving. Maybe your transmission is toast, but
> that likely wouldn't explain the coolant.
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
Anytime you're within ten pounds of each other, the rings are OK.
The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
RC12LYC spark plug:
http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Mike and John,
> Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
> checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
>
> #1 151 psi
> #2 155 psi
> #3 152 psi
> #4 156 psi
>
> We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
> to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
>
> We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
> a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
> to have some oil on it:
>
> http://public.webbox.com/680000/
>
> As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
> anything coming out.
>
> What do you think of those readings?
The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
RC12LYC spark plug:
http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Mike and John,
> Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
> checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
>
> #1 151 psi
> #2 155 psi
> #3 152 psi
> #4 156 psi
>
> We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
> to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
>
> We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
> a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
> to have some oil on it:
>
> http://public.webbox.com/680000/
>
> As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
> anything coming out.
>
> What do you think of those readings?
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
Anytime you're within ten pounds of each other, the rings are OK.
The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
RC12LYC spark plug:
http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Mike and John,
> Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
> checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
>
> #1 151 psi
> #2 155 psi
> #3 152 psi
> #4 156 psi
>
> We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
> to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
>
> We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
> a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
> to have some oil on it:
>
> http://public.webbox.com/680000/
>
> As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
> anything coming out.
>
> What do you think of those readings?
The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
RC12LYC spark plug:
http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Mike and John,
> Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
> checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
>
> #1 151 psi
> #2 155 psi
> #3 152 psi
> #4 156 psi
>
> We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
> to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
>
> We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
> a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
> to have some oil on it:
>
> http://public.webbox.com/680000/
>
> As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
> anything coming out.
>
> What do you think of those readings?
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
Anytime you're within ten pounds of each other, the rings are OK.
The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
RC12LYC spark plug:
http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Mike and John,
> Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
> checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
>
> #1 151 psi
> #2 155 psi
> #3 152 psi
> #4 156 psi
>
> We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
> to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
>
> We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
> a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
> to have some oil on it:
>
> http://public.webbox.com/680000/
>
> As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
> anything coming out.
>
> What do you think of those readings?
The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
RC12LYC spark plug:
http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Mike and John,
> Here's what we found. We bought an Actron compression gauge and
> checked the compression of each of the cylinders today:
>
> #1 151 psi
> #2 155 psi
> #3 152 psi
> #4 156 psi
>
> We cranked the engine about 8 times per check and the meter would go
> to the maximum reading after 2-3 revolutions.
>
> We took pictures of the plugs and posted them here if you want to have
> a look. I didn't see any oil today but on Sunday the #2 plug appeared
> to have some oil on it:
>
> http://public.webbox.com/680000/
>
> As we tested I watched the other 3 open plug holes and didn't see
> anything coming out.
>
> What do you think of those readings?
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
Thanks, I'll pick some up. This has always run rich, and got 8 mpg
before any of this happened. We were hoping the work we'd done
previously had helped. The engine in this Jeep is an odd one, Pugeot I
think someone said. The oil filter doesn't match what's in all the
filter books, wrong size. Fram says it's a PH3985, but it takes a WIX
51040. I don't know if that's how we got the odd plugs in it or not.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:43:24 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Anytime you're within ten pounds of each other, the rings are OK.
> The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
>fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
>pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
>the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
>Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
>RC12LYC spark plug:
>http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>>
before any of this happened. We were hoping the work we'd done
previously had helped. The engine in this Jeep is an odd one, Pugeot I
think someone said. The oil filter doesn't match what's in all the
filter books, wrong size. Fram says it's a PH3985, but it takes a WIX
51040. I don't know if that's how we got the odd plugs in it or not.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:43:24 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Anytime you're within ten pounds of each other, the rings are OK.
> The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
>fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
>pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
>the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
>Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
>RC12LYC spark plug:
>http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>>
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Re: wrangler towed in gear
Thanks, I'll pick some up. This has always run rich, and got 8 mpg
before any of this happened. We were hoping the work we'd done
previously had helped. The engine in this Jeep is an odd one, Pugeot I
think someone said. The oil filter doesn't match what's in all the
filter books, wrong size. Fram says it's a PH3985, but it takes a WIX
51040. I don't know if that's how we got the odd plugs in it or not.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:43:24 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Anytime you're within ten pounds of each other, the rings are OK.
> The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
>fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
>pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
>the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
>Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
>RC12LYC spark plug:
>http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>>
before any of this happened. We were hoping the work we'd done
previously had helped. The engine in this Jeep is an odd one, Pugeot I
think someone said. The oil filter doesn't match what's in all the
filter books, wrong size. Fram says it's a PH3985, but it takes a WIX
51040. I don't know if that's how we got the odd plugs in it or not.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:43:24 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Anytime you're within ten pounds of each other, the rings are OK.
> The deposits on the plugs tells us they're way too cold, carbon
>fouled, and they didn't get that way from one soaking in oil as in being
>pulled through with out ignition. Beware of anything sold as "Super" and
>the number doesn't cross at: http://www.clubplug.net/bosch_ngk.html
>Replace them with that your engine calls for, an American Champion
>RC12LYC spark plug:
>http://www.championsparkplugs.com/re...p?AAIA=1184655
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>dgassocdelete@pobox.com wrote:
>>
