Re: Winch question
 

Someone had a link to a pic of a winch cable that got out of control and
went through the Jeep windshield and SEAT! Don't try and guide the cable
during an extrication. You can re-wrap later.

Jerry gave a good example of 'putting the winch to bed' with about 500
lbs. of tension or so. That would work just fine. You can actually guide
the cable, somewhat, left or right when pulling a light load, but you
are only guiding it. You won't necessarily get a perfect wrap, but you
will get better with practice. As Mike said, the burrs on the cable can
grab your hand and make life miserable in a half a heartbeat. His board
idea sounds like a good one. I have a high speed winch, same one as
Jerry I believe and you need to be particularly careful.

KH wrote:

> twaldron wrote:
>
>
>>If you're pulling a Jeep out, I would not try and 'guide' it at all. In
>>fact, stay out of the line of fire in case the cable breaks. I think
>>Mike was referring to 'putting the winch to bed' or when you are
>>finished with it for a while.
>>
>>KH wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>So you can still guide it with the 'stick' even when you are pulling
>>>another
>>>jeep up an incline or with the brake on. Seems it would be awfully hard
>>>to guide it...you'll have to excuse my ignorance - just trying to learn.
>>>Hopefully the winch will be here today and I can install it.
>>>
>>
> Right, but it seems like you'd have quite a bit of tension when 'putting it
> to bed'. Maybe I just have to do it to understand correctly.
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
a woman."
-- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)

__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Winch question
 

Someone had a link to a pic of a winch cable that got out of control and
went through the Jeep windshield and SEAT! Don't try and guide the cable
during an extrication. You can re-wrap later.

Jerry gave a good example of 'putting the winch to bed' with about 500
lbs. of tension or so. That would work just fine. You can actually guide
the cable, somewhat, left or right when pulling a light load, but you
are only guiding it. You won't necessarily get a perfect wrap, but you
will get better with practice. As Mike said, the burrs on the cable can
grab your hand and make life miserable in a half a heartbeat. His board
idea sounds like a good one. I have a high speed winch, same one as
Jerry I believe and you need to be particularly careful.

KH wrote:

> twaldron wrote:
>
>
>>If you're pulling a Jeep out, I would not try and 'guide' it at all. In
>>fact, stay out of the line of fire in case the cable breaks. I think
>>Mike was referring to 'putting the winch to bed' or when you are
>>finished with it for a while.
>>
>>KH wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>So you can still guide it with the 'stick' even when you are pulling
>>>another
>>>jeep up an incline or with the brake on. Seems it would be awfully hard
>>>to guide it...you'll have to excuse my ignorance - just trying to learn.
>>>Hopefully the winch will be here today and I can install it.
>>>
>>
> Right, but it seems like you'd have quite a bit of tension when 'putting it
> to bed'. Maybe I just have to do it to understand correctly.
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
a woman."
-- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)

__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Winch question
 

Someone had a link to a pic of a winch cable that got out of control and
went through the Jeep windshield and SEAT! Don't try and guide the cable
during an extrication. You can re-wrap later.

Jerry gave a good example of 'putting the winch to bed' with about 500
lbs. of tension or so. That would work just fine. You can actually guide
the cable, somewhat, left or right when pulling a light load, but you
are only guiding it. You won't necessarily get a perfect wrap, but you
will get better with practice. As Mike said, the burrs on the cable can
grab your hand and make life miserable in a half a heartbeat. His board
idea sounds like a good one. I have a high speed winch, same one as
Jerry I believe and you need to be particularly careful.

KH wrote:

> twaldron wrote:
>
>
>>If you're pulling a Jeep out, I would not try and 'guide' it at all. In
>>fact, stay out of the line of fire in case the cable breaks. I think
>>Mike was referring to 'putting the winch to bed' or when you are
>>finished with it for a while.
>>
>>KH wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>So you can still guide it with the 'stick' even when you are pulling
>>>another
>>>jeep up an incline or with the brake on. Seems it would be awfully hard
>>>to guide it...you'll have to excuse my ignorance - just trying to learn.
>>>Hopefully the winch will be here today and I can install it.
>>>
>>
> Right, but it seems like you'd have quite a bit of tension when 'putting it
> to bed'. Maybe I just have to do it to understand correctly.
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)

"I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
a woman."
-- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)

__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Winch question
 

I have had to stop during an extraction to let the winch unwind so I
could do a couple wraps by 'hand' before I could continue.

Sometimes the cable just wants to go all to one side and it can jam
itself up really bad so it is a good idea to have an eyeball bead on the
cable as you are doing a pull. Or stop often and get out and look at
it.

Not a hope of guiding the cable when doing an extraction, way too much
tension on it.

Mike

twaldron wrote:
>
> Someone had a link to a pic of a winch cable that got out of control and
> went through the Jeep windshield and SEAT! Don't try and guide the cable
> during an extrication. You can re-wrap later.
>
> Jerry gave a good example of 'putting the winch to bed' with about 500
> lbs. of tension or so. That would work just fine. You can actually guide
> the cable, somewhat, left or right when pulling a light load, but you
> are only guiding it. You won't necessarily get a perfect wrap, but you
> will get better with practice. As Mike said, the burrs on the cable can
> grab your hand and make life miserable in a half a heartbeat. His board
> idea sounds like a good one. I have a high speed winch, same one as
> Jerry I believe and you need to be particularly careful.
>
> KH wrote:
>
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >
> >>If you're pulling a Jeep out, I would not try and 'guide' it at all. In
> >>fact, stay out of the line of fire in case the cable breaks. I think
> >>Mike was referring to 'putting the winch to bed' or when you are
> >>finished with it for a while.
> >>
> >>KH wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>So you can still guide it with the 'stick' even when you are pulling
> >>>another
> >>>jeep up an incline or with the brake on. Seems it would be awfully hard
> >>>to guide it...you'll have to excuse my ignorance - just trying to learn.
> >>>Hopefully the winch will be here today and I can install it.
> >>>
> >>
> > Right, but it seems like you'd have quite a bit of tension when 'putting it
> > to bed'. Maybe I just have to do it to understand correctly.
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: Winch question
 

I have had to stop during an extraction to let the winch unwind so I
could do a couple wraps by 'hand' before I could continue.

Sometimes the cable just wants to go all to one side and it can jam
itself up really bad so it is a good idea to have an eyeball bead on the
cable as you are doing a pull. Or stop often and get out and look at
it.

Not a hope of guiding the cable when doing an extraction, way too much
tension on it.

Mike

twaldron wrote:
>
> Someone had a link to a pic of a winch cable that got out of control and
> went through the Jeep windshield and SEAT! Don't try and guide the cable
> during an extrication. You can re-wrap later.
>
> Jerry gave a good example of 'putting the winch to bed' with about 500
> lbs. of tension or so. That would work just fine. You can actually guide
> the cable, somewhat, left or right when pulling a light load, but you
> are only guiding it. You won't necessarily get a perfect wrap, but you
> will get better with practice. As Mike said, the burrs on the cable can
> grab your hand and make life miserable in a half a heartbeat. His board
> idea sounds like a good one. I have a high speed winch, same one as
> Jerry I believe and you need to be particularly careful.
>
> KH wrote:
>
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >
> >>If you're pulling a Jeep out, I would not try and 'guide' it at all. In
> >>fact, stay out of the line of fire in case the cable breaks. I think
> >>Mike was referring to 'putting the winch to bed' or when you are
> >>finished with it for a while.
> >>
> >>KH wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>So you can still guide it with the 'stick' even when you are pulling
> >>>another
> >>>jeep up an incline or with the brake on. Seems it would be awfully hard
> >>>to guide it...you'll have to excuse my ignorance - just trying to learn.
> >>>Hopefully the winch will be here today and I can install it.
> >>>
> >>
> > Right, but it seems like you'd have quite a bit of tension when 'putting it
> > to bed'. Maybe I just have to do it to understand correctly.
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: Winch question
 

I have had to stop during an extraction to let the winch unwind so I
could do a couple wraps by 'hand' before I could continue.

Sometimes the cable just wants to go all to one side and it can jam
itself up really bad so it is a good idea to have an eyeball bead on the
cable as you are doing a pull. Or stop often and get out and look at
it.

Not a hope of guiding the cable when doing an extraction, way too much
tension on it.

Mike

twaldron wrote:
>
> Someone had a link to a pic of a winch cable that got out of control and
> went through the Jeep windshield and SEAT! Don't try and guide the cable
> during an extrication. You can re-wrap later.
>
> Jerry gave a good example of 'putting the winch to bed' with about 500
> lbs. of tension or so. That would work just fine. You can actually guide
> the cable, somewhat, left or right when pulling a light load, but you
> are only guiding it. You won't necessarily get a perfect wrap, but you
> will get better with practice. As Mike said, the burrs on the cable can
> grab your hand and make life miserable in a half a heartbeat. His board
> idea sounds like a good one. I have a high speed winch, same one as
> Jerry I believe and you need to be particularly careful.
>
> KH wrote:
>
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >
> >>If you're pulling a Jeep out, I would not try and 'guide' it at all. In
> >>fact, stay out of the line of fire in case the cable breaks. I think
> >>Mike was referring to 'putting the winch to bed' or when you are
> >>finished with it for a while.
> >>
> >>KH wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>So you can still guide it with the 'stick' even when you are pulling
> >>>another
> >>>jeep up an incline or with the brake on. Seems it would be awfully hard
> >>>to guide it...you'll have to excuse my ignorance - just trying to learn.
> >>>Hopefully the winch will be here today and I can install it.
> >>>
> >>
> > Right, but it seems like you'd have quite a bit of tension when 'putting it
> > to bed'. Maybe I just have to do it to understand correctly.
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: Winch question
 

It is a necessity to stand near the winch while operating it, what you need
to be sure of is that the spectators are standing clear. Also, you will have
great difficulty wrapping the cable neatly while actively engaging in
recovery operations. What you will need to do is finish the recovery, then
spool the cable out again, and rewrap it with less of a load.





"KH" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:P8HHb.484773$Dw6.1419807@attbi_s02...
> I ordered a winch last friday for my 98 TJ. I have been looking at books
> and cruising the internet finding out how to use it. One thing I don't
> understand though...all the books and internet sites say to stay out of
the
> way of the wire in case it breaks (common sense) but they also say to make
> sure the wire cable winds up on the winch drum straight, meaning it is
> wound tightly with no gaps. How do you make sure it's wound neatly if you
> can't be near the cable??? I must be missing something. If it matters
the
> winch I got is the warn XD9000i.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Keith
> 98 TJ
> 86 Mustang GT

Re: Winch question
 

It is a necessity to stand near the winch while operating it, what you need
to be sure of is that the spectators are standing clear. Also, you will have
great difficulty wrapping the cable neatly while actively engaging in
recovery operations. What you will need to do is finish the recovery, then
spool the cable out again, and rewrap it with less of a load.





"KH" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:P8HHb.484773$Dw6.1419807@attbi_s02...
> I ordered a winch last friday for my 98 TJ. I have been looking at books
> and cruising the internet finding out how to use it. One thing I don't
> understand though...all the books and internet sites say to stay out of
the
> way of the wire in case it breaks (common sense) but they also say to make
> sure the wire cable winds up on the winch drum straight, meaning it is
> wound tightly with no gaps. How do you make sure it's wound neatly if you
> can't be near the cable??? I must be missing something. If it matters
the
> winch I got is the warn XD9000i.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Keith
> 98 TJ
> 86 Mustang GT

Re: Winch question
 

It is a necessity to stand near the winch while operating it, what you need
to be sure of is that the spectators are standing clear. Also, you will have
great difficulty wrapping the cable neatly while actively engaging in
recovery operations. What you will need to do is finish the recovery, then
spool the cable out again, and rewrap it with less of a load.





"KH" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:P8HHb.484773$Dw6.1419807@attbi_s02...
> I ordered a winch last friday for my 98 TJ. I have been looking at books
> and cruising the internet finding out how to use it. One thing I don't
> understand though...all the books and internet sites say to stay out of
the
> way of the wire in case it breaks (common sense) but they also say to make
> sure the wire cable winds up on the winch drum straight, meaning it is
> wound tightly with no gaps. How do you make sure it's wound neatly if you
> can't be near the cable??? I must be missing something. If it matters
the
> winch I got is the warn XD9000i.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Keith
> 98 TJ
> 86 Mustang GT

Re: Winch question
 

Hi Mike,

Guiding a winch cable without gloves - never. My method has worked great
for me and the guys I ride with for many years. If you have someone hold
the end and apply pressure, you will get more than just their body weight.
Using common sense and holding the cable a few feet back from the winch,
will keep your hands out of the fairleads.

With the black cloud that hangs over your head, you should stick to you
method. :-)

JimG


@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3FF02B6F.9905A2E1@sympatico.ca...
> You folks will be eating up winch cables fast and getting to know the
> local emergency room doctors quickly.
>
> Once you have 'hand' wound it on for the first time DO NOT EVER use
> gloves to wind it back on the second or successive times!!!
>
> The cable will pull in between the loops on the drum because you cannot
> get it even close to tight using only part or even all of your body
> weight.
>
> This will fray the cable on the next use and the next time you go to
> wind it in there could/will be be spurs that 'will' grab your glove and
> your hand and wind them up with the cable.
>
> The Warn XD9000i is far too fast and you will not be able to stop it in
> time to prevent you hand from being sucked into the spool when one of
> the cable spurs grabs it.
>
> A piece of hardwood with a notch in it is far safer to use to guide the
> cable even on the spool. Something like one uses on a table saw for rip
> cuts.
>
> I pull another Jeep or mine up a slight hill or with my wife holding the
> brake when I wind mine up after a run.
>
> I will use a person as an anchor just to get it back spooled if it is in
> constant use, but then I won't go near mine with my hands or gloves
> either.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Terry Jeffrey wrote:
> >
> > Yup, this is all that is needed to respool. Use gloves too :)
> >
> > Keith - you'll like the XD9000i. No problems yet with mine, and it sure
> > looks good!
> >
> > Terry.
> >
> > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:qpIHb.32191$LY4.10332@news01.roc.ny...
> > > If available I have someone hold the hook with the cable extended, as
I
> > > guide it back on. If no help is available, a tight grip on the cable
> > while
> > > being re-spooled will do.
> > >
> > > JimG
> > >
> > > "KH" <me@home.com> wrote in message
> > > news:VbIHb.687061$Fm2.593662@attbi_s04...
> > > > JimG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nice choice for your winch! There is no way that you can (or
should)
> > > try
> > > > > to
> > > > > guide the cable while winching the weight of your Jeep. Re-spool
the
> > > > > cable once your done, so it will be right for the next job.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > JimG
> > > > > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > > > > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > > > > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > > > > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > > > > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > > > > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, but I thought it was supposed to always be re-spooled *under
load*
> > so
> > > > the higher layers don't cut into the lower. So then how do you make
it
> > > neat
> > > > under load??
> > > >
> > > > BTW, how much benefit do you find with the dual battey setup?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Keith
> > > > 98 TJ
> > > > 86 Mustang GT
> > >
> > >