Earle Horton

Dave,

We don't use it so much for passenger cars and light trucks, but all serious
cargo hauling uses diesel here. We are still only paying $3.00 to $3.25 a
gallon for regular, which works out to about $0.80 a liter. Historically,
we have paid a lot less, which has allowed us to use gasoline/petrol for all
but the heaviest uses.

Note that a 250-300 pound American woman, carrying a load of beef, potato
chips, beer, pork rinds and three or four seriously overweight children,
requires something heavier. That is why the larger club cab pickups are
starting to come with diesel engines. That and posing.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry,
he
> > was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
but
> > medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
> > poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> diesels
> > in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
Now,
> > you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> > course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> used
> > by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
> >
> > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
> > >
> > > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> > > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
> > > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> > > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> > > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> > > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
> > > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> > > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> > > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000
in
> > > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
> > >
> > > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> > > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
> > > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him
a
> > > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> > > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
> > >
> > > A real thinker, Bill is.
> > >
> > > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> > > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> > > happen.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:50:19 -0700, Bret Ludwig wrote:

> He says the same load of nonsense over and over.

Because that's all he knows. And you all are giving him 'way too much
credit in far too many areas.

But, he's your Neanderthal, please keep him.

His obligatory crosspost of an abuse report will follow shortly, I'm sure.

Well, at least he's reliable in one respect...



--
I'm not an expert, but I play one on Usenet.

=?UTF-8?b?wqdxxa9AcjMgV2gzM8Kjcw==?=

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:50:19 -0700, Bret Ludwig wrote:

> He says the same load of nonsense over and over.

Because that's all he knows. And you all are giving him 'way too much
credit in far too many areas.

But, he's your Neanderthal, please keep him.

His obligatory crosspost of an abuse report will follow shortly, I'm sure.

Well, at least he's reliable in one respect...



--
I'm not an expert, but I play one on Usenet.

=?UTF-8?b?wqdxxa9AcjMgV2gzM8Kjcw==?=

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:50:19 -0700, Bret Ludwig wrote:

> He says the same load of nonsense over and over.

Because that's all he knows. And you all are giving him 'way too much
credit in far too many areas.

But, he's your Neanderthal, please keep him.

His obligatory crosspost of an abuse report will follow shortly, I'm sure.

Well, at least he's reliable in one respect...



--
I'm not an expert, but I play one on Usenet.

Dave Milne

Heh, the TJs load carrying capability is 800lb for all occupants including
driver, which would quite likely be exceeded with 4 big blokes in it.
Perhaps the D44 give it some more, but not anything DC are quoting on.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44abfb39$0$23794$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Dave,
>
> We don't use it so much for passenger cars and light trucks, but all
serious
> cargo hauling uses diesel here. We are still only paying $3.00 to $3.25 a
> gallon for regular, which works out to about $0.80 a liter. Historically,
> we have paid a lot less, which has allowed us to use gasoline/petrol for
all
> but the heaviest uses.
>
> Note that a 250-300 pound American woman, carrying a load of beef, potato
> chips, beer, pork rinds and three or four seriously overweight children,
> requires something heavier. That is why the larger club cab pickups are
> starting to come with diesel engines. That and posing.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to
heat
> > their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > > Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry,
> he
> > > was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
> but
> > > medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is
a
> > > poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> > diesels
> > > in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
> Now,
> > > you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> > > course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> > used
> > > by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
> > >
> > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
> > > >
> > > > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> > > > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the
railroads,
> > > > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> > > > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> > > > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> > > > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the
problem,
> > > > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> > > > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> > > > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000
> in
> > > > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> > > > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a
sad
> > > > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes
him
> a
> > > > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> > > > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
> > > >
> > > > A real thinker, Bill is.
> > > >
> > > > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> > > > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> > > > happen.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dave Milne

Heh, the TJs load carrying capability is 800lb for all occupants including
driver, which would quite likely be exceeded with 4 big blokes in it.
Perhaps the D44 give it some more, but not anything DC are quoting on.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44abfb39$0$23794$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Dave,
>
> We don't use it so much for passenger cars and light trucks, but all
serious
> cargo hauling uses diesel here. We are still only paying $3.00 to $3.25 a
> gallon for regular, which works out to about $0.80 a liter. Historically,
> we have paid a lot less, which has allowed us to use gasoline/petrol for
all
> but the heaviest uses.
>
> Note that a 250-300 pound American woman, carrying a load of beef, potato
> chips, beer, pork rinds and three or four seriously overweight children,
> requires something heavier. That is why the larger club cab pickups are
> starting to come with diesel engines. That and posing.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to
heat
> > their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > > Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry,
> he
> > > was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
> but
> > > medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is
a
> > > poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> > diesels
> > > in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
> Now,
> > > you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> > > course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> > used
> > > by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
> > >
> > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
> > > >
> > > > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> > > > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the
railroads,
> > > > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> > > > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> > > > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> > > > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the
problem,
> > > > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> > > > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> > > > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000
> in
> > > > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> > > > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a
sad
> > > > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes
him
> a
> > > > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> > > > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
> > > >
> > > > A real thinker, Bill is.
> > > >
> > > > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> > > > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> > > > happen.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Dave Milne

Heh, the TJs load carrying capability is 800lb for all occupants including
driver, which would quite likely be exceeded with 4 big blokes in it.
Perhaps the D44 give it some more, but not anything DC are quoting on.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44abfb39$0$23794$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Dave,
>
> We don't use it so much for passenger cars and light trucks, but all
serious
> cargo hauling uses diesel here. We are still only paying $3.00 to $3.25 a
> gallon for regular, which works out to about $0.80 a liter. Historically,
> we have paid a lot less, which has allowed us to use gasoline/petrol for
all
> but the heaviest uses.
>
> Note that a 250-300 pound American woman, carrying a load of beef, potato
> chips, beer, pork rinds and three or four seriously overweight children,
> requires something heavier. That is why the larger club cab pickups are
> starting to come with diesel engines. That and posing.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to
heat
> > their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > > Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry,
> he
> > > was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
> but
> > > medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is
a
> > > poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> > diesels
> > > in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
> Now,
> > > you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> > > course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> > used
> > > by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
> > >
> > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
> > > >
> > > > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> > > > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the
railroads,
> > > > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> > > > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> > > > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> > > > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the
problem,
> > > > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> > > > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> > > > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000
> in
> > > > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> > > > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a
sad
> > > > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes
him
> a
> > > > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> > > > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
> > > >
> > > > A real thinker, Bill is.
> > > >
> > > > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> > > > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> > > > happen.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

You wrote: "Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil
dependency" You really need to educate yourself:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> I never said I was St. Francis of Assisi (nor De Sales, nor Sinatra.)
> it's an unpleasant job but since we are in an Oil War that is probably
> going to get fifty thousand Americans killed and a carrier sent to the
> bottom with everyone and all the jets, I consider it my patriotic duty
> to fight any stupid bunch of ---- that causes more oil to be burned.
> Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil dependency and keeps
> money out of the oil company's hands, since they finance the elections
> of psychopaths, -----s and idiots as we have today. So is fuel alcohol
> and LP Gas but not diesel is the best.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

You wrote: "Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil
dependency" You really need to educate yourself:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> I never said I was St. Francis of Assisi (nor De Sales, nor Sinatra.)
> it's an unpleasant job but since we are in an Oil War that is probably
> going to get fifty thousand Americans killed and a carrier sent to the
> bottom with everyone and all the jets, I consider it my patriotic duty
> to fight any stupid bunch of ---- that causes more oil to be burned.
> Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil dependency and keeps
> money out of the oil company's hands, since they finance the elections
> of psychopaths, -----s and idiots as we have today. So is fuel alcohol
> and LP Gas but not diesel is the best.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

You wrote: "Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil
dependency" You really need to educate yourself:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> I never said I was St. Francis of Assisi (nor De Sales, nor Sinatra.)
> it's an unpleasant job but since we are in an Oil War that is probably
> going to get fifty thousand Americans killed and a carrier sent to the
> bottom with everyone and all the jets, I consider it my patriotic duty
> to fight any stupid bunch of ---- that causes more oil to be burned.
> Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil dependency and keeps
> money out of the oil company's hands, since they finance the elections
> of psychopaths, -----s and idiots as we have today. So is fuel alcohol
> and LP Gas but not diesel is the best.