Matt Macchiarolo

Nah, if you ask Bill it's because of the light trucks and passenger cars
that run on diesel. A tiny fraction of the total number of diesel vehicles
on the road today in the US.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
>> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
>> but
>> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
>> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> diesels
>> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
>> Now,
>> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
>> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> used
>> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
>>
>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
>> >
>> > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
>> > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
>> > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
>> > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
>> > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
>> > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
>> > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
>> > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
>> > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000 in
>> > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
>> >
>> > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
>> > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
>> > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him a
>> > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
>> > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
>> >
>> > A real thinker, Bill is.
>> >
>> > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
>> > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
>> > happen.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Nah, if you ask Bill it's because of the light trucks and passenger cars
that run on diesel. A tiny fraction of the total number of diesel vehicles
on the road today in the US.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
>> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
>> but
>> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
>> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> diesels
>> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
>> Now,
>> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
>> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> used
>> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
>>
>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
>> >
>> > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
>> > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
>> > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
>> > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
>> > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
>> > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
>> > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
>> > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
>> > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000 in
>> > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
>> >
>> > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
>> > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
>> > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him a
>> > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
>> > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
>> >
>> > A real thinker, Bill is.
>> >
>> > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
>> > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
>> > happen.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Nah, if you ask Bill it's because of the light trucks and passenger cars
that run on diesel. A tiny fraction of the total number of diesel vehicles
on the road today in the US.

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
>> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
>> but
>> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
>> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> diesels
>> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
>> Now,
>> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
>> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> used
>> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
>>
>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>> > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
>> >
>> > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
>> > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
>> > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
>> > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
>> > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
>> > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
>> > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
>> > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
>> > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000 in
>> > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
>> >
>> > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
>> > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
>> > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him a
>> > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
>> > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
>> >
>> > A real thinker, Bill is.
>> >
>> > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
>> > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
>> > happen.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

I didn't put my <sarcasm> tags in, sorry. :=)

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44AB32ED.4950CEF3@***.net...
> You copied down my words and ran them through a grammar checker?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
>> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
>> but
>> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
>> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
>> diesels
>> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
>> Now,
>> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
>> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
>> used
>> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.

Matt Macchiarolo

I didn't put my <sarcasm> tags in, sorry. :=)

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44AB32ED.4950CEF3@***.net...
> You copied down my words and ran them through a grammar checker?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
>> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
>> but
>> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
>> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
>> diesels
>> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
>> Now,
>> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
>> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
>> used
>> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.

Matt Macchiarolo

I didn't put my <sarcasm> tags in, sorry. :=)

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44AB32ED.4950CEF3@***.net...
> You copied down my words and ran them through a grammar checker?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
>> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
>> but
>> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
>> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
>> diesels
>> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
>> Now,
>> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
>> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
>> used
>> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.

Mike Romain

So if you think his stuff in nonsense, then WHY IN HELL DO YOU CONTINUE
TO TROLL HIM????

You are the one that comes across as the total -------, not Bill.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
>
> He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
> which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
> building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000 in
> road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
>
> Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
> thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him a
> Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
>
> A real thinker, Bill is.
>
> Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> happen.

Mike Romain

So if you think his stuff in nonsense, then WHY IN HELL DO YOU CONTINUE
TO TROLL HIM????

You are the one that comes across as the total -------, not Bill.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
>
> He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
> which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
> building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000 in
> road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
>
> Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
> thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him a
> Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
>
> A real thinker, Bill is.
>
> Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> happen.

Mike Romain

So if you think his stuff in nonsense, then WHY IN HELL DO YOU CONTINUE
TO TROLL HIM????

You are the one that comes across as the total -------, not Bill.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
>
> He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
> which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
> building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000 in
> road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
>
> Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
> thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him a
> Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
>
> A real thinker, Bill is.
>
> Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> happen.

Bret Ludwig

Dave Milne wrote:
> I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>

Yes it did, and no we don't. Unfortunately.