Why we get harsh with Bill
07-05-2006, 09:30 AM
#23
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Re: Why we get harsh with Bill
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything but
> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting diesels
> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket. Now,
> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is used
> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
Diesel CARS at their peak never burned one percent of diesel sold
here. Mercedes engines burned a hell of a lot more in Thermo King
reefers than they ever did in cars. Bill is peddling a load of
tommyrot that isn't true.
MBZ started putting diesels in cars in 1936. They started coming here
in '51 or '52, mostly sold through Studebaker dealers.
07-05-2006, 09:30 AM
#24
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Re: Why we get harsh with Bill
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything but
> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting diesels
> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket. Now,
> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is used
> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
Diesel CARS at their peak never burned one percent of diesel sold
here. Mercedes engines burned a hell of a lot more in Thermo King
reefers than they ever did in cars. Bill is peddling a load of
tommyrot that isn't true.
MBZ started putting diesels in cars in 1936. They started coming here
in '51 or '52, mostly sold through Studebaker dealers.
07-05-2006, 09:30 AM
#25
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Re: Why we get harsh with Bill
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry, he
> was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything but
> medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
> poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting diesels
> in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket. Now,
> you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is used
> by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
Diesel CARS at their peak never burned one percent of diesel sold
here. Mercedes engines burned a hell of a lot more in Thermo King
reefers than they ever did in cars. Bill is peddling a load of
tommyrot that isn't true.
MBZ started putting diesels in cars in 1936. They started coming here
in '51 or '52, mostly sold through Studebaker dealers.
07-05-2006, 09:35 AM
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Re: Why we get harsh with Bill AND ------- trolls
Mike Romain wrote:
> So if you think his stuff in nonsense, then WHY IN HELL DO YOU CONTINUE
> TO TROLL HIM????
>
> You are the one that comes across as the total -------, not Bill.
>
I never said I was St. Francis of Assisi (nor De Sales, nor Sinatra.)
it's an unpleasant job but since we are in an Oil War that is probably
going to get fifty thousand Americans killed and a carrier sent to the
bottom with everyone and all the jets, I consider it my patriotic duty
to fight any stupid bunch of ---- that causes more oil to be burned.
Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil dependency and keeps
money out of the oil company's hands, since they finance the elections
of psychopaths, -----s and idiots as we have today. So is fuel alcohol
and LP Gas but not diesel is the best.
07-05-2006, 09:35 AM
#27
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Re: Why we get harsh with Bill AND ------- trolls
Mike Romain wrote:
> So if you think his stuff in nonsense, then WHY IN HELL DO YOU CONTINUE
> TO TROLL HIM????
>
> You are the one that comes across as the total -------, not Bill.
>
I never said I was St. Francis of Assisi (nor De Sales, nor Sinatra.)
it's an unpleasant job but since we are in an Oil War that is probably
going to get fifty thousand Americans killed and a carrier sent to the
bottom with everyone and all the jets, I consider it my patriotic duty
to fight any stupid bunch of ---- that causes more oil to be burned.
Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil dependency and keeps
money out of the oil company's hands, since they finance the elections
of psychopaths, -----s and idiots as we have today. So is fuel alcohol
and LP Gas but not diesel is the best.
07-05-2006, 09:35 AM
#28
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Posts: n/a
Re: Why we get harsh with Bill AND ------- trolls
Mike Romain wrote:
> So if you think his stuff in nonsense, then WHY IN HELL DO YOU CONTINUE
> TO TROLL HIM????
>
> You are the one that comes across as the total -------, not Bill.
>
I never said I was St. Francis of Assisi (nor De Sales, nor Sinatra.)
it's an unpleasant job but since we are in an Oil War that is probably
going to get fifty thousand Americans killed and a carrier sent to the
bottom with everyone and all the jets, I consider it my patriotic duty
to fight any stupid bunch of ---- that causes more oil to be burned.
Diesel is patriotic, cuts down on foreign oil dependency and keeps
money out of the oil company's hands, since they finance the elections
of psychopaths, -----s and idiots as we have today. So is fuel alcohol
and LP Gas but not diesel is the best.
07-05-2006, 01:59 PM
#29
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Re: Why we get harsh with Bill
Dave,
We don't use it so much for passenger cars and light trucks, but all serious
cargo hauling uses diesel here. We are still only paying $3.00 to $3.25 a
gallon for regular, which works out to about $0.80 a liter. Historically,
we have paid a lot less, which has allowed us to use gasoline/petrol for all
but the heaviest uses.
Note that a 250-300 pound American woman, carrying a load of beef, potato
chips, beer, pork rinds and three or four seriously overweight children,
requires something heavier. That is why the larger club cab pickups are
starting to come with diesel engines. That and posing.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry,
he
> > was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
but
> > medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
> > poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> diesels
> > in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
Now,
> > you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> > course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> used
> > by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
> >
> > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
> > >
> > > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> > > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
> > > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> > > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> > > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> > > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
> > > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> > > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> > > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000
in
> > > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
> > >
> > > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> > > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
> > > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him
a
> > > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> > > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
> > >
> > > A real thinker, Bill is.
> > >
> > > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> > > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> > > happen.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
We don't use it so much for passenger cars and light trucks, but all serious
cargo hauling uses diesel here. We are still only paying $3.00 to $3.25 a
gallon for regular, which works out to about $0.80 a liter. Historically,
we have paid a lot less, which has allowed us to use gasoline/petrol for all
but the heaviest uses.
Note that a 250-300 pound American woman, carrying a load of beef, potato
chips, beer, pork rinds and three or four seriously overweight children,
requires something heavier. That is why the larger club cab pickups are
starting to come with diesel engines. That and posing.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry,
he
> > was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
but
> > medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
> > poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> diesels
> > in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
Now,
> > you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> > course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> used
> > by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
> >
> > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
> > >
> > > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> > > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
> > > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> > > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> > > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> > > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
> > > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> > > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> > > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000
in
> > > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
> > >
> > > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> > > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
> > > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him
a
> > > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> > > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
> > >
> > > A real thinker, Bill is.
> > >
> > > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> > > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> > > happen.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
07-05-2006, 01:59 PM
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: Why we get harsh with Bill
Dave,
We don't use it so much for passenger cars and light trucks, but all serious
cargo hauling uses diesel here. We are still only paying $3.00 to $3.25 a
gallon for regular, which works out to about $0.80 a liter. Historically,
we have paid a lot less, which has allowed us to use gasoline/petrol for all
but the heaviest uses.
Note that a 250-300 pound American woman, carrying a load of beef, potato
chips, beer, pork rinds and three or four seriously overweight children,
requires something heavier. That is why the larger club cab pickups are
starting to come with diesel engines. That and posing.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry,
he
> > was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
but
> > medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
> > poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> diesels
> > in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
Now,
> > you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> > course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> used
> > by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
> >
> > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
> > >
> > > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> > > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
> > > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> > > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> > > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> > > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
> > > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> > > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> > > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000
in
> > > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
> > >
> > > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> > > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
> > > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him
a
> > > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> > > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
> > >
> > > A real thinker, Bill is.
> > >
> > > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> > > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> > > happen.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
We don't use it so much for passenger cars and light trucks, but all serious
cargo hauling uses diesel here. We are still only paying $3.00 to $3.25 a
gallon for regular, which works out to about $0.80 a liter. Historically,
we have paid a lot less, which has allowed us to use gasoline/petrol for all
but the heaviest uses.
Note that a 250-300 pound American woman, carrying a load of beef, potato
chips, beer, pork rinds and three or four seriously overweight children,
requires something heavier. That is why the larger club cab pickups are
starting to come with diesel engines. That and posing.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:l9Iqg.96457$wl.70513@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I thought the price of diesel skyrocketed due to people using oil to heat
> their homes ? You don't have that many diesels in the US ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:8qGdnS7UhuGQrzbZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Actually Bret, he doesn't hate diesel because of he trucking industry,
he
> > was an owner/operater himself for a time. He hates diesels in anything
but
> > medium and heavy trucks. Anything less than a GCWR of sixteen tons is a
> > poser in his book. Because, of course, when Mercedes started putting
> diesels
> > in passenger cars, that caused the price of diesel fuel to skyrocket.
Now,
> > you can by any 3/4 ton pickup with a diesel, so that makes it worse of
> > course, even though the vast majority of road diesel used in the US is
> used
> > by the ever-expanding trucking industry.
> >
> > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1152067818.991505.53970@v61g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > > He says the same load of nonsense over and over.
> > >
> > > He hates Diesel, because of the truckers. Now I could give a ----
> > > about truckers. Owner operator truckers are what killed the railroads,
> > > which are how freight should go, the fuel per ton mile is about a
> > > tenth. I have known a lot of truckers many of which are just dumb,
> > > loutish hick ********. Some are very decent people but a lot of them
> > > are just dumbass hick screwballs. But the truckers aren't the problem,
> > > building the interstate highway system under Eisenhower and letting
> > > truckers run on it for less than the cost of the pavement wear alone
> > > (if they had to pay that a Class 8 truck would pay _another_ $45,000
in
> > > road tax every year over what they do now) was the problem.
> > >
> > > Then he hates propane because his buddy gets killed.......with no
> > > propane anywhere in sight. No, it was nitrous oxide. I mean it's a sad
> > > thing, even though he was drag racing on public roads which makes him
a
> > > Grade A PUNK, of course, still we all make mistakes. But because
> > > nitrous oxide and propane are both a gas, they are both no good.
> > >
> > > A real thinker, Bill is.
> > >
> > > Have a happy Fourth of July anyway, Bill. But leave lighting the
> > > fireworks to the younger people. With your luck something bad could
> > > happen.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
