Dave Milne

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
: <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following:
:
: >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
: > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: >> while hooking up a rope.
: >
: >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures(
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one
has yelled at you for it. I see that it has
: >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become
: >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks.
:
: I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing
: that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-)
:
:
:
: --
: Travis
: http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
: The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
: :wq!

very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-)

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

Dave Milne

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
: <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following:
:
: >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
: > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: >> while hooking up a rope.
: >
: >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures(
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one
has yelled at you for it. I see that it has
: >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become
: >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks.
:
: I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing
: that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-)
:
:
:
: --
: Travis
: http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
: The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
: :wq!

very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-)

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:48:36 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:

>If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the
>brake pedal method!
>
>If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake
>will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side.
>
>This trick works great and is as old as the model T.....

I tried that tirck. I tried lightly applying pressure the the brakes,
I tried slamming the brake a few times, tried the emergency brake to
load the back wheel that was spinning , tried rocking back and forth,
tried turning the wheel from side to side to get traction on the front
tire that was slipping, tried pushing it, pulling it, having my friend
jump up and down on the back of the Jeep above the spinning tire (and
he weighs close to 300 pounds), tried prying one side up with a long
metal tube we found, tried jamming a huge tree branch under each of
the back wheels, tried praying to God, tried cussing...a LOT... It
was STUCK-DIDDLY-UCK, dude. I think lockers would have helped but I'm
not positive I would have gotten out even with them.

>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>travis wrote:
>>
>> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
>> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
>> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
>> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
>> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
>> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
>> slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a
>> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
>> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
>> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
>> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
>> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
>> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
>> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
>> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
>> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
>> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
>> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
>> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
>> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
>> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
>> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
>> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
>> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>>
>> --
>> Travis
>> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
>> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
>> :wq!


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:48:36 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:

>If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the
>brake pedal method!
>
>If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake
>will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side.
>
>This trick works great and is as old as the model T.....

I tried that tirck. I tried lightly applying pressure the the brakes,
I tried slamming the brake a few times, tried the emergency brake to
load the back wheel that was spinning , tried rocking back and forth,
tried turning the wheel from side to side to get traction on the front
tire that was slipping, tried pushing it, pulling it, having my friend
jump up and down on the back of the Jeep above the spinning tire (and
he weighs close to 300 pounds), tried prying one side up with a long
metal tube we found, tried jamming a huge tree branch under each of
the back wheels, tried praying to God, tried cussing...a LOT... It
was STUCK-DIDDLY-UCK, dude. I think lockers would have helped but I'm
not positive I would have gotten out even with them.

>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>travis wrote:
>>
>> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
>> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
>> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
>> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
>> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
>> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
>> slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a
>> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
>> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
>> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
>> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
>> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
>> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
>> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
>> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
>> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
>> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
>> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
>> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
>> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
>> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
>> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
>> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
>> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>>
>> --
>> Travis
>> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
>> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
>> :wq!


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:48:36 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:

>If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the
>brake pedal method!
>
>If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake
>will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side.
>
>This trick works great and is as old as the model T.....

I tried that tirck. I tried lightly applying pressure the the brakes,
I tried slamming the brake a few times, tried the emergency brake to
load the back wheel that was spinning , tried rocking back and forth,
tried turning the wheel from side to side to get traction on the front
tire that was slipping, tried pushing it, pulling it, having my friend
jump up and down on the back of the Jeep above the spinning tire (and
he weighs close to 300 pounds), tried prying one side up with a long
metal tube we found, tried jamming a huge tree branch under each of
the back wheels, tried praying to God, tried cussing...a LOT... It
was STUCK-DIDDLY-UCK, dude. I think lockers would have helped but I'm
not positive I would have gotten out even with them.

>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>travis wrote:
>>
>> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
>> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
>> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
>> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
>> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
>> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
>> slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a
>> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
>> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
>> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
>> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
>> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
>> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
>> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
>> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
>> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
>> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
>> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
>> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
>> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
>> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
>> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
>> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
>> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>>
>> --
>> Travis
>> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
>> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
>> :wq!


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
shared the following:

>
>"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. .
>> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
>> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
>> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
>> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
>> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
>> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
>> slamming back down...
>
>Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at
>all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the
>brakes, but leave the clutch alone.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill
wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet
before the front tires reached bottom.

>
>My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did,
>he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the
>clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken
>clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch.

Ouch.

>
>You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly
>to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders.

I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-)

>
>NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes
>are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift
>into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start
>IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire.
>If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch
>until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because
>you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and
>have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have
>to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the
>motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R.
>
>
>
>
>then almost made it back out when I hit a
>> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
>> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
>> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
>> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
>> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
>> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
>> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
>> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
>> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
>> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
>> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
>> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
>> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
>> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
>> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
>> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
>> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>>
>>
>You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of
>winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not
>prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get
>stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Travis
>> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
>> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
>> :wq!


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
shared the following:

>
>"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. .
>> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
>> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
>> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
>> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
>> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
>> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
>> slamming back down...
>
>Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at
>all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the
>brakes, but leave the clutch alone.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill
wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet
before the front tires reached bottom.

>
>My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did,
>he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the
>clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken
>clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch.

Ouch.

>
>You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly
>to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders.

I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-)

>
>NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes
>are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift
>into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start
>IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire.
>If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch
>until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because
>you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and
>have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have
>to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the
>motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R.
>
>
>
>
>then almost made it back out when I hit a
>> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
>> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
>> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
>> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
>> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
>> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
>> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
>> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
>> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
>> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
>> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
>> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
>> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
>> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
>> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
>> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
>> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>>
>>
>You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of
>winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not
>prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get
>stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Travis
>> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
>> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
>> :wq!


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
shared the following:

>
>"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. .
>> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
>> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
>> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
>> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
>> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
>> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
>> slamming back down...
>
>Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at
>all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the
>brakes, but leave the clutch alone.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill
wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet
before the front tires reached bottom.

>
>My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did,
>he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the
>clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken
>clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch.

Ouch.

>
>You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly
>to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders.

I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-)

>
>NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes
>are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift
>into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start
>IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire.
>If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch
>until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because
>you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and
>have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have
>to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the
>motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R.
>
>
>
>
>then almost made it back out when I hit a
>> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
>> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
>> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
>> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
>> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
>> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
>> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
>> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
>> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
>> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
>> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
>> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
>> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
>> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
>> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
>> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
>> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>>
>>
>You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of
>winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not
>prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get
>stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Travis
>> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
>> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
>> :wq!


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:48 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> shared the following:


>very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-)

I though so, too. ;-)


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:48 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> shared the following:


>very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-)

I though so, too. ;-)


--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!