Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
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In article <Xns9425A65983459FredWillsmyrealbox@130.133.1.4> , FredW
<Noreply@nospamplease.com> writes:
>Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
>engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
You'd be parked. Engaging the starter motor will turn the engine slower than
idle. It's an old trick also used to s l o w l y crawl, but your truck needs to
be set up to where you can crank starter in gear. TJ's can easily defeat the
clutch lockout by inserting a fuse in the "clutch lockout" fuse socket.
When I am on the trail, in low gear/low range, I often leave the clutch and
brake alone and stop just by switching off the engine. This has held me in
place at the steepest inclines I have yet encountered, and to get going I don't
have to disengage the clutch...just turn the key and off I go.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
<Noreply@nospamplease.com> writes:
>Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
>engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
You'd be parked. Engaging the starter motor will turn the engine slower than
idle. It's an old trick also used to s l o w l y crawl, but your truck needs to
be set up to where you can crank starter in gear. TJ's can easily defeat the
clutch lockout by inserting a fuse in the "clutch lockout" fuse socket.
When I am on the trail, in low gear/low range, I often leave the clutch and
brake alone and stop just by switching off the engine. This has held me in
place at the steepest inclines I have yet encountered, and to get going I don't
have to disengage the clutch...just turn the key and off I go.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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In article <Xns9425A65983459FredWillsmyrealbox@130.133.1.4> , FredW
<Noreply@nospamplease.com> writes:
>Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
>engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
You'd be parked. Engaging the starter motor will turn the engine slower than
idle. It's an old trick also used to s l o w l y crawl, but your truck needs to
be set up to where you can crank starter in gear. TJ's can easily defeat the
clutch lockout by inserting a fuse in the "clutch lockout" fuse socket.
When I am on the trail, in low gear/low range, I often leave the clutch and
brake alone and stop just by switching off the engine. This has held me in
place at the steepest inclines I have yet encountered, and to get going I don't
have to disengage the clutch...just turn the key and off I go.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
<Noreply@nospamplease.com> writes:
>Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
>engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
You'd be parked. Engaging the starter motor will turn the engine slower than
idle. It's an old trick also used to s l o w l y crawl, but your truck needs to
be set up to where you can crank starter in gear. TJ's can easily defeat the
clutch lockout by inserting a fuse in the "clutch lockout" fuse socket.
When I am on the trail, in low gear/low range, I often leave the clutch and
brake alone and stop just by switching off the engine. This has held me in
place at the steepest inclines I have yet encountered, and to get going I don't
have to disengage the clutch...just turn the key and off I go.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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Put it in gear (Reverse usually, but 1st will work too - depending upon
which end is up and where you need to be when the dust settles), and turn
the key. The vehicle will move because the starter is turning. This is what
is meant by the term, "on the starter motor."
This is not a "routine" operation by any stretch of the imagination, but it
is a trick that one should keep up one's sleeve to be pulled out when
needed. My CJ, before fuel injection, would stall out easily when I managed
to tip it steeply - I managed to do this with alarming regularity <hehehe>,
and as with all carburated Jeeps, it would refuse to start again until it
was sufficiently satisfied that it was on level ground. I often times had to
shift into R, and twist the key to back off the hill and get a fresh start.
Many times, I prayed both silently and aloud that the motor would not take
this particular opportunity to not be fussy about the operating angle, and
suddenly roar to life and hurl me ever closer to my doom over the side of
the hill. A few times, it did decide that hills and angles were not an
important factor as to whether or not it would run, and it did indeed roar
to life unexpectedly.
Now that I have fuel injection, I don't stall nearly as often, and when I
do, I have every confidence that the motor will refire immediately, so I get
to actually drive off the hill in R while haveing the full benefit of an
operational motor. This, however, is merely a wild-eyed dream resulting from
an overactive imagination for guys that haul a carburator around with them.
These drivers must be able to shift into R when the engine has chosen an
inopportune moment to take a break from the day's activities, and back off
the hill under the limited power of the starter motor. In the perfect world
that I live in, the gear ratio is sufficient to not over-spin the starter
motor. Your mileage may vary.
"FredW" <Noreply@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9425A65983459FredWillsmyrealbox@130.133.1. 4...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> spake thusly in
> news:vq57gsdjai69f@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > If the motor won't start, then back down on
> > the starter motor at least until the vehicle is stabalized to the
> > point that you can walk away from it without concern that it is going
> > to go places on its own.
> >
>
> What do you mean by this term "on the starter motor"?
>
> Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
> engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
>
> -Fred W
>
>
which end is up and where you need to be when the dust settles), and turn
the key. The vehicle will move because the starter is turning. This is what
is meant by the term, "on the starter motor."
This is not a "routine" operation by any stretch of the imagination, but it
is a trick that one should keep up one's sleeve to be pulled out when
needed. My CJ, before fuel injection, would stall out easily when I managed
to tip it steeply - I managed to do this with alarming regularity <hehehe>,
and as with all carburated Jeeps, it would refuse to start again until it
was sufficiently satisfied that it was on level ground. I often times had to
shift into R, and twist the key to back off the hill and get a fresh start.
Many times, I prayed both silently and aloud that the motor would not take
this particular opportunity to not be fussy about the operating angle, and
suddenly roar to life and hurl me ever closer to my doom over the side of
the hill. A few times, it did decide that hills and angles were not an
important factor as to whether or not it would run, and it did indeed roar
to life unexpectedly.
Now that I have fuel injection, I don't stall nearly as often, and when I
do, I have every confidence that the motor will refire immediately, so I get
to actually drive off the hill in R while haveing the full benefit of an
operational motor. This, however, is merely a wild-eyed dream resulting from
an overactive imagination for guys that haul a carburator around with them.
These drivers must be able to shift into R when the engine has chosen an
inopportune moment to take a break from the day's activities, and back off
the hill under the limited power of the starter motor. In the perfect world
that I live in, the gear ratio is sufficient to not over-spin the starter
motor. Your mileage may vary.
"FredW" <Noreply@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9425A65983459FredWillsmyrealbox@130.133.1. 4...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> spake thusly in
> news:vq57gsdjai69f@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > If the motor won't start, then back down on
> > the starter motor at least until the vehicle is stabalized to the
> > point that you can walk away from it without concern that it is going
> > to go places on its own.
> >
>
> What do you mean by this term "on the starter motor"?
>
> Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
> engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
>
> -Fred W
>
>
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Put it in gear (Reverse usually, but 1st will work too - depending upon
which end is up and where you need to be when the dust settles), and turn
the key. The vehicle will move because the starter is turning. This is what
is meant by the term, "on the starter motor."
This is not a "routine" operation by any stretch of the imagination, but it
is a trick that one should keep up one's sleeve to be pulled out when
needed. My CJ, before fuel injection, would stall out easily when I managed
to tip it steeply - I managed to do this with alarming regularity <hehehe>,
and as with all carburated Jeeps, it would refuse to start again until it
was sufficiently satisfied that it was on level ground. I often times had to
shift into R, and twist the key to back off the hill and get a fresh start.
Many times, I prayed both silently and aloud that the motor would not take
this particular opportunity to not be fussy about the operating angle, and
suddenly roar to life and hurl me ever closer to my doom over the side of
the hill. A few times, it did decide that hills and angles were not an
important factor as to whether or not it would run, and it did indeed roar
to life unexpectedly.
Now that I have fuel injection, I don't stall nearly as often, and when I
do, I have every confidence that the motor will refire immediately, so I get
to actually drive off the hill in R while haveing the full benefit of an
operational motor. This, however, is merely a wild-eyed dream resulting from
an overactive imagination for guys that haul a carburator around with them.
These drivers must be able to shift into R when the engine has chosen an
inopportune moment to take a break from the day's activities, and back off
the hill under the limited power of the starter motor. In the perfect world
that I live in, the gear ratio is sufficient to not over-spin the starter
motor. Your mileage may vary.
"FredW" <Noreply@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9425A65983459FredWillsmyrealbox@130.133.1. 4...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> spake thusly in
> news:vq57gsdjai69f@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > If the motor won't start, then back down on
> > the starter motor at least until the vehicle is stabalized to the
> > point that you can walk away from it without concern that it is going
> > to go places on its own.
> >
>
> What do you mean by this term "on the starter motor"?
>
> Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
> engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
>
> -Fred W
>
>
which end is up and where you need to be when the dust settles), and turn
the key. The vehicle will move because the starter is turning. This is what
is meant by the term, "on the starter motor."
This is not a "routine" operation by any stretch of the imagination, but it
is a trick that one should keep up one's sleeve to be pulled out when
needed. My CJ, before fuel injection, would stall out easily when I managed
to tip it steeply - I managed to do this with alarming regularity <hehehe>,
and as with all carburated Jeeps, it would refuse to start again until it
was sufficiently satisfied that it was on level ground. I often times had to
shift into R, and twist the key to back off the hill and get a fresh start.
Many times, I prayed both silently and aloud that the motor would not take
this particular opportunity to not be fussy about the operating angle, and
suddenly roar to life and hurl me ever closer to my doom over the side of
the hill. A few times, it did decide that hills and angles were not an
important factor as to whether or not it would run, and it did indeed roar
to life unexpectedly.
Now that I have fuel injection, I don't stall nearly as often, and when I
do, I have every confidence that the motor will refire immediately, so I get
to actually drive off the hill in R while haveing the full benefit of an
operational motor. This, however, is merely a wild-eyed dream resulting from
an overactive imagination for guys that haul a carburator around with them.
These drivers must be able to shift into R when the engine has chosen an
inopportune moment to take a break from the day's activities, and back off
the hill under the limited power of the starter motor. In the perfect world
that I live in, the gear ratio is sufficient to not over-spin the starter
motor. Your mileage may vary.
"FredW" <Noreply@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9425A65983459FredWillsmyrealbox@130.133.1. 4...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> spake thusly in
> news:vq57gsdjai69f@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > If the motor won't start, then back down on
> > the starter motor at least until the vehicle is stabalized to the
> > point that you can walk away from it without concern that it is going
> > to go places on its own.
> >
>
> What do you mean by this term "on the starter motor"?
>
> Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
> engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
>
> -Fred W
>
>
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Put it in gear (Reverse usually, but 1st will work too - depending upon
which end is up and where you need to be when the dust settles), and turn
the key. The vehicle will move because the starter is turning. This is what
is meant by the term, "on the starter motor."
This is not a "routine" operation by any stretch of the imagination, but it
is a trick that one should keep up one's sleeve to be pulled out when
needed. My CJ, before fuel injection, would stall out easily when I managed
to tip it steeply - I managed to do this with alarming regularity <hehehe>,
and as with all carburated Jeeps, it would refuse to start again until it
was sufficiently satisfied that it was on level ground. I often times had to
shift into R, and twist the key to back off the hill and get a fresh start.
Many times, I prayed both silently and aloud that the motor would not take
this particular opportunity to not be fussy about the operating angle, and
suddenly roar to life and hurl me ever closer to my doom over the side of
the hill. A few times, it did decide that hills and angles were not an
important factor as to whether or not it would run, and it did indeed roar
to life unexpectedly.
Now that I have fuel injection, I don't stall nearly as often, and when I
do, I have every confidence that the motor will refire immediately, so I get
to actually drive off the hill in R while haveing the full benefit of an
operational motor. This, however, is merely a wild-eyed dream resulting from
an overactive imagination for guys that haul a carburator around with them.
These drivers must be able to shift into R when the engine has chosen an
inopportune moment to take a break from the day's activities, and back off
the hill under the limited power of the starter motor. In the perfect world
that I live in, the gear ratio is sufficient to not over-spin the starter
motor. Your mileage may vary.
"FredW" <Noreply@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9425A65983459FredWillsmyrealbox@130.133.1. 4...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> spake thusly in
> news:vq57gsdjai69f@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > If the motor won't start, then back down on
> > the starter motor at least until the vehicle is stabalized to the
> > point that you can walk away from it without concern that it is going
> > to go places on its own.
> >
>
> What do you mean by this term "on the starter motor"?
>
> Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
> engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
>
> -Fred W
>
>
which end is up and where you need to be when the dust settles), and turn
the key. The vehicle will move because the starter is turning. This is what
is meant by the term, "on the starter motor."
This is not a "routine" operation by any stretch of the imagination, but it
is a trick that one should keep up one's sleeve to be pulled out when
needed. My CJ, before fuel injection, would stall out easily when I managed
to tip it steeply - I managed to do this with alarming regularity <hehehe>,
and as with all carburated Jeeps, it would refuse to start again until it
was sufficiently satisfied that it was on level ground. I often times had to
shift into R, and twist the key to back off the hill and get a fresh start.
Many times, I prayed both silently and aloud that the motor would not take
this particular opportunity to not be fussy about the operating angle, and
suddenly roar to life and hurl me ever closer to my doom over the side of
the hill. A few times, it did decide that hills and angles were not an
important factor as to whether or not it would run, and it did indeed roar
to life unexpectedly.
Now that I have fuel injection, I don't stall nearly as often, and when I
do, I have every confidence that the motor will refire immediately, so I get
to actually drive off the hill in R while haveing the full benefit of an
operational motor. This, however, is merely a wild-eyed dream resulting from
an overactive imagination for guys that haul a carburator around with them.
These drivers must be able to shift into R when the engine has chosen an
inopportune moment to take a break from the day's activities, and back off
the hill under the limited power of the starter motor. In the perfect world
that I live in, the gear ratio is sufficient to not over-spin the starter
motor. Your mileage may vary.
"FredW" <Noreply@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9425A65983459FredWillsmyrealbox@130.133.1. 4...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> spake thusly in
> news:vq57gsdjai69f@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > If the motor won't start, then back down on
> > the starter motor at least until the vehicle is stabalized to the
> > point that you can walk away from it without concern that it is going
> > to go places on its own.
> >
>
> What do you mean by this term "on the starter motor"?
>
> Couldn't you just leave the leave the trans in reverse and the clutch
> engaged with the engine not running? Or is that what you are saying?
>
> -Fred W
>
>
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I don't remember if it was Josh or Travis that said they decided that R sent
them down the hill with too much speed. I'm with you, the brakes should have
keep things managable while the trans was set in R, if there was still more
speed than one would have liked, then the Idle Speed must be too high.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031031170243.12300.00001401@mb-m20.aol.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0310311331.1c8451eb@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> (Joshua Nelson) writes:
>
> >I'm not trying to argue with you, but this wasn't an option.
>
> You're not reading his post correcty.
>
> I have a
> >V8 and 4.10 gear ratio, and when it's in 4-low and a low gear such as
> >reverse, not to mention a downhill incline, there is no way the brakes
> >can apply enough stopping power to stall the engine.
>
> If that is the case you should have had enough engine compression braking
to
> safely back down, feathering the brake pedal just to augment the
compression
> braking.
>
> The torque
> >simply overpowers the brakes. I can't help but suspect that this is
> >the case for many others here as well, since a lot of folks have quite
> >powerful engines.
>
> You may want to have your brakes looked at. Remember, acceleration is
optional,
> stopping is not.
>
> Your CJ8 might be too much machine to learn to 'wheel on. Better stick
with
> that TJ 4-popper.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
them down the hill with too much speed. I'm with you, the brakes should have
keep things managable while the trans was set in R, if there was still more
speed than one would have liked, then the Idle Speed must be too high.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031031170243.12300.00001401@mb-m20.aol.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0310311331.1c8451eb@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> (Joshua Nelson) writes:
>
> >I'm not trying to argue with you, but this wasn't an option.
>
> You're not reading his post correcty.
>
> I have a
> >V8 and 4.10 gear ratio, and when it's in 4-low and a low gear such as
> >reverse, not to mention a downhill incline, there is no way the brakes
> >can apply enough stopping power to stall the engine.
>
> If that is the case you should have had enough engine compression braking
to
> safely back down, feathering the brake pedal just to augment the
compression
> braking.
>
> The torque
> >simply overpowers the brakes. I can't help but suspect that this is
> >the case for many others here as well, since a lot of folks have quite
> >powerful engines.
>
> You may want to have your brakes looked at. Remember, acceleration is
optional,
> stopping is not.
>
> Your CJ8 might be too much machine to learn to 'wheel on. Better stick
with
> that TJ 4-popper.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
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I don't remember if it was Josh or Travis that said they decided that R sent
them down the hill with too much speed. I'm with you, the brakes should have
keep things managable while the trans was set in R, if there was still more
speed than one would have liked, then the Idle Speed must be too high.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031031170243.12300.00001401@mb-m20.aol.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0310311331.1c8451eb@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> (Joshua Nelson) writes:
>
> >I'm not trying to argue with you, but this wasn't an option.
>
> You're not reading his post correcty.
>
> I have a
> >V8 and 4.10 gear ratio, and when it's in 4-low and a low gear such as
> >reverse, not to mention a downhill incline, there is no way the brakes
> >can apply enough stopping power to stall the engine.
>
> If that is the case you should have had enough engine compression braking
to
> safely back down, feathering the brake pedal just to augment the
compression
> braking.
>
> The torque
> >simply overpowers the brakes. I can't help but suspect that this is
> >the case for many others here as well, since a lot of folks have quite
> >powerful engines.
>
> You may want to have your brakes looked at. Remember, acceleration is
optional,
> stopping is not.
>
> Your CJ8 might be too much machine to learn to 'wheel on. Better stick
with
> that TJ 4-popper.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
them down the hill with too much speed. I'm with you, the brakes should have
keep things managable while the trans was set in R, if there was still more
speed than one would have liked, then the Idle Speed must be too high.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031031170243.12300.00001401@mb-m20.aol.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0310311331.1c8451eb@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> (Joshua Nelson) writes:
>
> >I'm not trying to argue with you, but this wasn't an option.
>
> You're not reading his post correcty.
>
> I have a
> >V8 and 4.10 gear ratio, and when it's in 4-low and a low gear such as
> >reverse, not to mention a downhill incline, there is no way the brakes
> >can apply enough stopping power to stall the engine.
>
> If that is the case you should have had enough engine compression braking
to
> safely back down, feathering the brake pedal just to augment the
compression
> braking.
>
> The torque
> >simply overpowers the brakes. I can't help but suspect that this is
> >the case for many others here as well, since a lot of folks have quite
> >powerful engines.
>
> You may want to have your brakes looked at. Remember, acceleration is
optional,
> stopping is not.
>
> Your CJ8 might be too much machine to learn to 'wheel on. Better stick
with
> that TJ 4-popper.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
I don't remember if it was Josh or Travis that said they decided that R sent
them down the hill with too much speed. I'm with you, the brakes should have
keep things managable while the trans was set in R, if there was still more
speed than one would have liked, then the Idle Speed must be too high.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031031170243.12300.00001401@mb-m20.aol.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0310311331.1c8451eb@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> (Joshua Nelson) writes:
>
> >I'm not trying to argue with you, but this wasn't an option.
>
> You're not reading his post correcty.
>
> I have a
> >V8 and 4.10 gear ratio, and when it's in 4-low and a low gear such as
> >reverse, not to mention a downhill incline, there is no way the brakes
> >can apply enough stopping power to stall the engine.
>
> If that is the case you should have had enough engine compression braking
to
> safely back down, feathering the brake pedal just to augment the
compression
> braking.
>
> The torque
> >simply overpowers the brakes. I can't help but suspect that this is
> >the case for many others here as well, since a lot of folks have quite
> >powerful engines.
>
> You may want to have your brakes looked at. Remember, acceleration is
optional,
> stopping is not.
>
> Your CJ8 might be too much machine to learn to 'wheel on. Better stick
with
> that TJ 4-popper.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>
them down the hill with too much speed. I'm with you, the brakes should have
keep things managable while the trans was set in R, if there was still more
speed than one would have liked, then the Idle Speed must be too high.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031031170243.12300.00001401@mb-m20.aol.com...
> In article <b102b6e4.0310311331.1c8451eb@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> (Joshua Nelson) writes:
>
> >I'm not trying to argue with you, but this wasn't an option.
>
> You're not reading his post correcty.
>
> I have a
> >V8 and 4.10 gear ratio, and when it's in 4-low and a low gear such as
> >reverse, not to mention a downhill incline, there is no way the brakes
> >can apply enough stopping power to stall the engine.
>
> If that is the case you should have had enough engine compression braking
to
> safely back down, feathering the brake pedal just to augment the
compression
> braking.
>
> The torque
> >simply overpowers the brakes. I can't help but suspect that this is
> >the case for many others here as well, since a lot of folks have quite
> >powerful engines.
>
> You may want to have your brakes looked at. Remember, acceleration is
optional,
> stopping is not.
>
> Your CJ8 might be too much machine to learn to 'wheel on. Better stick
with
> that TJ 4-popper.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
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