Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
#41
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
I use chassis grease, no where does it call for it, but I drive in
occasionally in salt water, at San Felpie, or in the Borrego Bad Lands,
for those that want to run them dry, then at least protect them with
factory hub caps. If you're replaced a tire that's been bolted to a
trailer or something that hasn't moved in twenty years, then you know
you're going to have to break a couple of studs, if they were dry.
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JD Adams wrote:
>
> Yesterday was a semi-nice day, so I decided to catch up on some
> maintenance --oil and filter change (M1 the Puro 30001 sure works nice
> on a 4.0!), TB cleaning, new Puro air filter, front-end lube, powerwash
> engine and fenderwells, a quick run through the local car wash, the
> usual. Work is slow right now and I'm bored.
>
> I later decided to go the extra mile and do a 4-wheel tire rotation and
> change out those el-cheapo OEM lug nuts with a good set of heavily
> chromed, forged steel lugs. While I had one side up in the air doing
> my thing, a neighbor commented on my practice of applying bearing
> grease to the studs before torquing the nuts down to 90 ft/lbs.
>
> He claims that it's a bad practice, and that the lugs will loosen over
> time because of it. I politely disagreed, saying that it is the
> friction between the tapered nut face and the wheel that keeps
> everything tight rather than friction from fastener threadfaces, and
> that the only real way to get good, accurate, consistant torque is to
> put a TINY BIT of lubricant on the threads before reassembly.
>
> I know this all sounds petty, but I'm wondering if anyone here has
> heard of mishaps that were the direct result of 'lug nut greasin'? I
> like knowing that the nuts will spin off easily many years later and
> won't rust up, no matter how much muck I plow through. And I make sure
> everything is cool to the touch before everthing gets tightened down
> --all pretty common sense stuff IMO.
>
> Am I offbase here? Admittedly, this is 'old-school' technology, but it
> makes a lot of sense to me, much like 'priming' the engine after an oil
> change before actually firing it up. (Yeah, I do that too; I
> disconnect the crank sensor, then reset the MIL when I'm done.)
>
> -JD
occasionally in salt water, at San Felpie, or in the Borrego Bad Lands,
for those that want to run them dry, then at least protect them with
factory hub caps. If you're replaced a tire that's been bolted to a
trailer or something that hasn't moved in twenty years, then you know
you're going to have to break a couple of studs, if they were dry.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
JD Adams wrote:
>
> Yesterday was a semi-nice day, so I decided to catch up on some
> maintenance --oil and filter change (M1 the Puro 30001 sure works nice
> on a 4.0!), TB cleaning, new Puro air filter, front-end lube, powerwash
> engine and fenderwells, a quick run through the local car wash, the
> usual. Work is slow right now and I'm bored.
>
> I later decided to go the extra mile and do a 4-wheel tire rotation and
> change out those el-cheapo OEM lug nuts with a good set of heavily
> chromed, forged steel lugs. While I had one side up in the air doing
> my thing, a neighbor commented on my practice of applying bearing
> grease to the studs before torquing the nuts down to 90 ft/lbs.
>
> He claims that it's a bad practice, and that the lugs will loosen over
> time because of it. I politely disagreed, saying that it is the
> friction between the tapered nut face and the wheel that keeps
> everything tight rather than friction from fastener threadfaces, and
> that the only real way to get good, accurate, consistant torque is to
> put a TINY BIT of lubricant on the threads before reassembly.
>
> I know this all sounds petty, but I'm wondering if anyone here has
> heard of mishaps that were the direct result of 'lug nut greasin'? I
> like knowing that the nuts will spin off easily many years later and
> won't rust up, no matter how much muck I plow through. And I make sure
> everything is cool to the touch before everthing gets tightened down
> --all pretty common sense stuff IMO.
>
> Am I offbase here? Admittedly, this is 'old-school' technology, but it
> makes a lot of sense to me, much like 'priming' the engine after an oil
> change before actually firing it up. (Yeah, I do that too; I
> disconnect the crank sensor, then reset the MIL when I'm done.)
>
> -JD
#42
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:34:28 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Clay
<clay@mation.com>:
>Earle Horton wrote:
>> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
>> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
>> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
>> coating.
>>
>> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>>
>> Earle
>
>Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
Black iron oxide (ferric, IIRC) is semi-protective. Red iron
oxide (ferrous) isn't; it's porous and the corrosion will
just keep going.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Clay
<clay@mation.com>:
>Earle Horton wrote:
>> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
>> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
>> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
>> coating.
>>
>> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>>
>> Earle
>
>Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
Black iron oxide (ferric, IIRC) is semi-protective. Red iron
oxide (ferrous) isn't; it's porous and the corrosion will
just keep going.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:34:28 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Clay
<clay@mation.com>:
>Earle Horton wrote:
>> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
>> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
>> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
>> coating.
>>
>> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>>
>> Earle
>
>Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
Black iron oxide (ferric, IIRC) is semi-protective. Red iron
oxide (ferrous) isn't; it's porous and the corrosion will
just keep going.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Clay
<clay@mation.com>:
>Earle Horton wrote:
>> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
>> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
>> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
>> coating.
>>
>> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>>
>> Earle
>
>Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
Black iron oxide (ferric, IIRC) is semi-protective. Red iron
oxide (ferrous) isn't; it's porous and the corrosion will
just keep going.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:34:28 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Clay
<clay@mation.com>:
>Earle Horton wrote:
>> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
>> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
>> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
>> coating.
>>
>> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>>
>> Earle
>
>Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
Black iron oxide (ferric, IIRC) is semi-protective. Red iron
oxide (ferrous) isn't; it's porous and the corrosion will
just keep going.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Clay
<clay@mation.com>:
>Earle Horton wrote:
>> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
>> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
>> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
>> coating.
>>
>> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>>
>> Earle
>
>Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
Black iron oxide (ferric, IIRC) is semi-protective. Red iron
oxide (ferrous) isn't; it's porous and the corrosion will
just keep going.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:34:28 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Clay
<clay@mation.com>:
>Earle Horton wrote:
>> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
>> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
>> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
>> coating.
>>
>> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>>
>> Earle
>
>Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
Black iron oxide (ferric, IIRC) is semi-protective. Red iron
oxide (ferrous) isn't; it's porous and the corrosion will
just keep going.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Clay
<clay@mation.com>:
>Earle Horton wrote:
>> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
>> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
>> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
>> coating.
>>
>> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>>
>> Earle
>
>Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
Black iron oxide (ferric, IIRC) is semi-protective. Red iron
oxide (ferrous) isn't; it's porous and the corrosion will
just keep going.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
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Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Was that Bill Gates?
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Earle Horton wrote:
>
> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
> coating.
>
> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>
> Earle
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
> coating.
>
> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>
> Earle
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Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Was that Bill Gates?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
> coating.
>
> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>
> Earle
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
> coating.
>
> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>
> Earle
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Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Was that Bill Gates?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
> coating.
>
> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>
> Earle
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
> coating.
>
> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>
> Earle
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Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Was that Bill Gates?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
> coating.
>
> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>
> Earle
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> An old Polish farmer I did some work for recommended water on truck and
> tractor lug nuts. It acts as an assembly lubricant, and then evaporates
> before the nuts can back off. On some metals it leaves a protective
> coating.
>
> If you live long enough, you will hear most anything.
>
> Earle
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
If it is a rust inhibitor red iron oxide or zinc paint. I kind of
remember one of our elected officials telling us that, as one of our
water reservoirs leaked and dissolved before our eyes.
Rust is a good disinfectant, at least as an excuse to take my tax
payers moneys in government grants:
http://water.usgs.gov/wrri/05grants/...005AZ114G.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Clay wrote:
>
> Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating
remember one of our elected officials telling us that, as one of our
water reservoirs leaked and dissolved before our eyes.
Rust is a good disinfectant, at least as an excuse to take my tax
payers moneys in government grants:
http://water.usgs.gov/wrri/05grants/...005AZ114G.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Clay wrote:
>
> Iron oxide (rust) *is* a protective coating