Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
03-22-2006, 09:21 PM
#91
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:4421B92B.BD71F271@sympatico.ca:
> I live in the rust belt where everything rots long before it wears out
> and always go dry with capped nuts. With open nuts, I have used
> grease on top after it is tightened down.
>
> I have antiseize and use it everywhere else, but still not on wheel
> nuts.
>
> We just had to remove all my wheels a couple days ago and they came
> off easily. It's been a while since they were removed....
>
> Anyhow, just be aware that antiseize is considered a 'wet' torque.
>
> Mike
>
OK, so I would assume that using lock-tite would be a wet torque as well.
Are the (for example) motor-mount bolts I just torqued to 40 lbs too tight
because I used lock-tight?
How much of an adjustment would you need to make in the torque when using a
wet torque?
rufus
news:4421B92B.BD71F271@sympatico.ca:
> I live in the rust belt where everything rots long before it wears out
> and always go dry with capped nuts. With open nuts, I have used
> grease on top after it is tightened down.
>
> I have antiseize and use it everywhere else, but still not on wheel
> nuts.
>
> We just had to remove all my wheels a couple days ago and they came
> off easily. It's been a while since they were removed....
>
> Anyhow, just be aware that antiseize is considered a 'wet' torque.
>
> Mike
>
OK, so I would assume that using lock-tite would be a wet torque as well.
Are the (for example) motor-mount bolts I just torqued to 40 lbs too tight
because I used lock-tight?
How much of an adjustment would you need to make in the torque when using a
wet torque?
rufus
03-22-2006, 09:21 PM
#92
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:4421B92B.BD71F271@sympatico.ca:
> I live in the rust belt where everything rots long before it wears out
> and always go dry with capped nuts. With open nuts, I have used
> grease on top after it is tightened down.
>
> I have antiseize and use it everywhere else, but still not on wheel
> nuts.
>
> We just had to remove all my wheels a couple days ago and they came
> off easily. It's been a while since they were removed....
>
> Anyhow, just be aware that antiseize is considered a 'wet' torque.
>
> Mike
>
OK, so I would assume that using lock-tite would be a wet torque as well.
Are the (for example) motor-mount bolts I just torqued to 40 lbs too tight
because I used lock-tight?
How much of an adjustment would you need to make in the torque when using a
wet torque?
rufus
news:4421B92B.BD71F271@sympatico.ca:
> I live in the rust belt where everything rots long before it wears out
> and always go dry with capped nuts. With open nuts, I have used
> grease on top after it is tightened down.
>
> I have antiseize and use it everywhere else, but still not on wheel
> nuts.
>
> We just had to remove all my wheels a couple days ago and they came
> off easily. It's been a while since they were removed....
>
> Anyhow, just be aware that antiseize is considered a 'wet' torque.
>
> Mike
>
OK, so I would assume that using lock-tite would be a wet torque as well.
Are the (for example) motor-mount bolts I just torqued to 40 lbs too tight
because I used lock-tight?
How much of an adjustment would you need to make in the torque when using a
wet torque?
rufus
03-22-2006, 09:21 PM
#93
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:4421B92B.BD71F271@sympatico.ca:
> I live in the rust belt where everything rots long before it wears out
> and always go dry with capped nuts. With open nuts, I have used
> grease on top after it is tightened down.
>
> I have antiseize and use it everywhere else, but still not on wheel
> nuts.
>
> We just had to remove all my wheels a couple days ago and they came
> off easily. It's been a while since they were removed....
>
> Anyhow, just be aware that antiseize is considered a 'wet' torque.
>
> Mike
>
OK, so I would assume that using lock-tite would be a wet torque as well.
Are the (for example) motor-mount bolts I just torqued to 40 lbs too tight
because I used lock-tight?
How much of an adjustment would you need to make in the torque when using a
wet torque?
rufus
news:4421B92B.BD71F271@sympatico.ca:
> I live in the rust belt where everything rots long before it wears out
> and always go dry with capped nuts. With open nuts, I have used
> grease on top after it is tightened down.
>
> I have antiseize and use it everywhere else, but still not on wheel
> nuts.
>
> We just had to remove all my wheels a couple days ago and they came
> off easily. It's been a while since they were removed....
>
> Anyhow, just be aware that antiseize is considered a 'wet' torque.
>
> Mike
>
OK, so I would assume that using lock-tite would be a wet torque as well.
Are the (for example) motor-mount bolts I just torqued to 40 lbs too tight
because I used lock-tight?
How much of an adjustment would you need to make in the torque when using a
wet torque?
rufus
03-22-2006, 10:05 PM
#94
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Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Bill,
We only have radio here, with the cable draped over the side of the
spectator's area. I take notes, in a mix of Spanish, English and German
that only I can make sense of. I like to look at the people. I get the
impression, that they are all trying to hide something.
There is no need for grease, when threats still work. The town is small,
and this is after all Western Colorado. I can forgive a certain amount of
particularism, from people who still have some regard for my property
rights.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4421F82B.6A8D4C03@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be
> televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools,
> quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes
> about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to
> apartment zoning.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is
insane.
> > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry
> > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way,
"those
> > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably
> > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of
> > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be
> > dishing out.
> >
> > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting.
> >
> > Earle
We only have radio here, with the cable draped over the side of the
spectator's area. I take notes, in a mix of Spanish, English and German
that only I can make sense of. I like to look at the people. I get the
impression, that they are all trying to hide something.
There is no need for grease, when threats still work. The town is small,
and this is after all Western Colorado. I can forgive a certain amount of
particularism, from people who still have some regard for my property
rights.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4421F82B.6A8D4C03@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be
> televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools,
> quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes
> about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to
> apartment zoning.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is
insane.
> > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry
> > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way,
"those
> > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably
> > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of
> > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be
> > dishing out.
> >
> > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting.
> >
> > Earle
03-22-2006, 10:05 PM
#95
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Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Bill,
We only have radio here, with the cable draped over the side of the
spectator's area. I take notes, in a mix of Spanish, English and German
that only I can make sense of. I like to look at the people. I get the
impression, that they are all trying to hide something.
There is no need for grease, when threats still work. The town is small,
and this is after all Western Colorado. I can forgive a certain amount of
particularism, from people who still have some regard for my property
rights.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4421F82B.6A8D4C03@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be
> televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools,
> quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes
> about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to
> apartment zoning.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is
insane.
> > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry
> > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way,
"those
> > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably
> > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of
> > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be
> > dishing out.
> >
> > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting.
> >
> > Earle
We only have radio here, with the cable draped over the side of the
spectator's area. I take notes, in a mix of Spanish, English and German
that only I can make sense of. I like to look at the people. I get the
impression, that they are all trying to hide something.
There is no need for grease, when threats still work. The town is small,
and this is after all Western Colorado. I can forgive a certain amount of
particularism, from people who still have some regard for my property
rights.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4421F82B.6A8D4C03@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be
> televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools,
> quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes
> about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to
> apartment zoning.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is
insane.
> > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry
> > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way,
"those
> > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably
> > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of
> > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be
> > dishing out.
> >
> > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting.
> >
> > Earle
03-22-2006, 10:05 PM
#96
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Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Bill,
We only have radio here, with the cable draped over the side of the
spectator's area. I take notes, in a mix of Spanish, English and German
that only I can make sense of. I like to look at the people. I get the
impression, that they are all trying to hide something.
There is no need for grease, when threats still work. The town is small,
and this is after all Western Colorado. I can forgive a certain amount of
particularism, from people who still have some regard for my property
rights.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4421F82B.6A8D4C03@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be
> televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools,
> quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes
> about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to
> apartment zoning.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is
insane.
> > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry
> > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way,
"those
> > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably
> > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of
> > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be
> > dishing out.
> >
> > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting.
> >
> > Earle
We only have radio here, with the cable draped over the side of the
spectator's area. I take notes, in a mix of Spanish, English and German
that only I can make sense of. I like to look at the people. I get the
impression, that they are all trying to hide something.
There is no need for grease, when threats still work. The town is small,
and this is after all Western Colorado. I can forgive a certain amount of
particularism, from people who still have some regard for my property
rights.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4421F82B.6A8D4C03@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be
> televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools,
> quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes
> about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to
> apartment zoning.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is
insane.
> > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry
> > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way,
"those
> > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably
> > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of
> > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be
> > dishing out.
> >
> > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting.
> >
> > Earle
03-22-2006, 10:05 PM
#97
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Re: Off Topic Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Bill,
We only have radio here, with the cable draped over the side of the
spectator's area. I take notes, in a mix of Spanish, English and German
that only I can make sense of. I like to look at the people. I get the
impression, that they are all trying to hide something.
There is no need for grease, when threats still work. The town is small,
and this is after all Western Colorado. I can forgive a certain amount of
particularism, from people who still have some regard for my property
rights.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4421F82B.6A8D4C03@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be
> televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools,
> quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes
> about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to
> apartment zoning.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is
insane.
> > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry
> > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way,
"those
> > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably
> > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of
> > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be
> > dishing out.
> >
> > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting.
> >
> > Earle
We only have radio here, with the cable draped over the side of the
spectator's area. I take notes, in a mix of Spanish, English and German
that only I can make sense of. I like to look at the people. I get the
impression, that they are all trying to hide something.
There is no need for grease, when threats still work. The town is small,
and this is after all Western Colorado. I can forgive a certain amount of
particularism, from people who still have some regard for my property
rights.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4421F82B.6A8D4C03@***.net...
> Hi Earle,
> My Oceanside, Vista, Escondido, City Council meetings used to be
> televised by the cable company until they realized the looks like fools,
> quibble over the small stuff. And it's how harder to see that it takes
> about sixty thousand in grease to change a lot from residential, to
> apartment zoning.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > That's what makes me believe, that this "dry thread" nonsense, is
insane.
> > Nowhere else have I seen torque tightening specifications, for "dry
> > threads". It is always "lightly lubricated" threads. By the way,
"those
> > el-cheapo OEM lug nuts" that JD Adams is talking about, are probably
> > designed that way on purpose, to spare the wheel studs from the kind of
> > damage that those "heavily chromed, forged steel lugs" are going to be
> > dishing out.
> >
> > This is almost as much fun, as last night's Town Council meeting.
> >
> > Earle
03-22-2006, 11:00 PM
#98
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Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Found this on the net:
"Since dry vs wet can vary greatly, any structural bolts that would be
torqued under my supervision must be done per the AISC Calibrated torque
wrench method to verify proper tension. But since you people are mere
peons, not able to fully appreciate a Wilhelm-Skidmore bolt tensioner, I
would go off the following rule of thumb torque formula:
T=(KDW)/12=foot-pounds
where T= torque
K=friction factor
D= Nominal bolt diameter in decimal inches
W=clamp load in pounds
K=0.30 for nonplated fasteners, black finish
K=0.20 for electrodeposited zinc coatings
K=0.15-0.18 for oils
K=0.16 for cadmium electrodeposited coatings
K=0.12 for copper anti-seize compound
Standard practice is to tighten a bolt to 70-75% of the proof load. Proof
load is the point where a bolt will permanently deform more than 2%.
Let me know if you need any more schooling.
Jay
In a message dated 6/28/2002 11:30:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JCrisler@corvis.com writes:"
"Since dry vs wet can vary greatly, any structural bolts that would be
torqued under my supervision must be done per the AISC Calibrated torque
wrench method to verify proper tension. But since you people are mere
peons, not able to fully appreciate a Wilhelm-Skidmore bolt tensioner, I
would go off the following rule of thumb torque formula:
T=(KDW)/12=foot-pounds
where T= torque
K=friction factor
D= Nominal bolt diameter in decimal inches
W=clamp load in pounds
K=0.30 for nonplated fasteners, black finish
K=0.20 for electrodeposited zinc coatings
K=0.15-0.18 for oils
K=0.16 for cadmium electrodeposited coatings
K=0.12 for copper anti-seize compound
Standard practice is to tighten a bolt to 70-75% of the proof load. Proof
load is the point where a bolt will permanently deform more than 2%.
Let me know if you need any more schooling.
Jay
In a message dated 6/28/2002 11:30:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JCrisler@corvis.com writes:"
03-22-2006, 11:00 PM
#99
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Found this on the net:
"Since dry vs wet can vary greatly, any structural bolts that would be
torqued under my supervision must be done per the AISC Calibrated torque
wrench method to verify proper tension. But since you people are mere
peons, not able to fully appreciate a Wilhelm-Skidmore bolt tensioner, I
would go off the following rule of thumb torque formula:
T=(KDW)/12=foot-pounds
where T= torque
K=friction factor
D= Nominal bolt diameter in decimal inches
W=clamp load in pounds
K=0.30 for nonplated fasteners, black finish
K=0.20 for electrodeposited zinc coatings
K=0.15-0.18 for oils
K=0.16 for cadmium electrodeposited coatings
K=0.12 for copper anti-seize compound
Standard practice is to tighten a bolt to 70-75% of the proof load. Proof
load is the point where a bolt will permanently deform more than 2%.
Let me know if you need any more schooling.
Jay
In a message dated 6/28/2002 11:30:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JCrisler@corvis.com writes:"
"Since dry vs wet can vary greatly, any structural bolts that would be
torqued under my supervision must be done per the AISC Calibrated torque
wrench method to verify proper tension. But since you people are mere
peons, not able to fully appreciate a Wilhelm-Skidmore bolt tensioner, I
would go off the following rule of thumb torque formula:
T=(KDW)/12=foot-pounds
where T= torque
K=friction factor
D= Nominal bolt diameter in decimal inches
W=clamp load in pounds
K=0.30 for nonplated fasteners, black finish
K=0.20 for electrodeposited zinc coatings
K=0.15-0.18 for oils
K=0.16 for cadmium electrodeposited coatings
K=0.12 for copper anti-seize compound
Standard practice is to tighten a bolt to 70-75% of the proof load. Proof
load is the point where a bolt will permanently deform more than 2%.
Let me know if you need any more schooling.
Jay
In a message dated 6/28/2002 11:30:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JCrisler@corvis.com writes:"
03-22-2006, 11:00 PM
#100
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wheel stud lubrication - good or bad?
Found this on the net:
"Since dry vs wet can vary greatly, any structural bolts that would be
torqued under my supervision must be done per the AISC Calibrated torque
wrench method to verify proper tension. But since you people are mere
peons, not able to fully appreciate a Wilhelm-Skidmore bolt tensioner, I
would go off the following rule of thumb torque formula:
T=(KDW)/12=foot-pounds
where T= torque
K=friction factor
D= Nominal bolt diameter in decimal inches
W=clamp load in pounds
K=0.30 for nonplated fasteners, black finish
K=0.20 for electrodeposited zinc coatings
K=0.15-0.18 for oils
K=0.16 for cadmium electrodeposited coatings
K=0.12 for copper anti-seize compound
Standard practice is to tighten a bolt to 70-75% of the proof load. Proof
load is the point where a bolt will permanently deform more than 2%.
Let me know if you need any more schooling.
Jay
In a message dated 6/28/2002 11:30:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JCrisler@corvis.com writes:"
"Since dry vs wet can vary greatly, any structural bolts that would be
torqued under my supervision must be done per the AISC Calibrated torque
wrench method to verify proper tension. But since you people are mere
peons, not able to fully appreciate a Wilhelm-Skidmore bolt tensioner, I
would go off the following rule of thumb torque formula:
T=(KDW)/12=foot-pounds
where T= torque
K=friction factor
D= Nominal bolt diameter in decimal inches
W=clamp load in pounds
K=0.30 for nonplated fasteners, black finish
K=0.20 for electrodeposited zinc coatings
K=0.15-0.18 for oils
K=0.16 for cadmium electrodeposited coatings
K=0.12 for copper anti-seize compound
Standard practice is to tighten a bolt to 70-75% of the proof load. Proof
load is the point where a bolt will permanently deform more than 2%.
Let me know if you need any more schooling.
Jay
In a message dated 6/28/2002 11:30:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JCrisler@corvis.com writes:"