What are my likely sources of error?
11-03-2004, 10:57 AM
#61
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Re: What are my likely sources of error?
When I tried to start it last nite, I used some carb cleaner, as well as
turning the distributor as said. I'm going to try the distributor trick one
more time tonight cuz I think I had done one part wrong. However, I left the
air filter cover off and let the carb cleaner dry out. When I went to start
it, it blew a pretty large quantity of gas up through the top of the carb
and all over the hood, etc. I'm starting to wonder if some hose or maybe
something in the carb is plugged up? There's also a wire harness running
from what looks to be an automatic choke on the back of the carb (closest to
the firewall) with only one wire connected to the carb that runs off into
this harness. At the same end of the harness, the other 3 wires are
broken/snipped (hard to tell cuz of the mud). They look snipped tho. Is this
important at all? I'm wondering if maybe someone didn't try and get rid of
the smog control or something?
turning the distributor as said. I'm going to try the distributor trick one
more time tonight cuz I think I had done one part wrong. However, I left the
air filter cover off and let the carb cleaner dry out. When I went to start
it, it blew a pretty large quantity of gas up through the top of the carb
and all over the hood, etc. I'm starting to wonder if some hose or maybe
something in the carb is plugged up? There's also a wire harness running
from what looks to be an automatic choke on the back of the carb (closest to
the firewall) with only one wire connected to the carb that runs off into
this harness. At the same end of the harness, the other 3 wires are
broken/snipped (hard to tell cuz of the mud). They look snipped tho. Is this
important at all? I'm wondering if maybe someone didn't try and get rid of
the smog control or something?
11-03-2004, 11:30 AM
#62
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Re: What are my likely sources of error?
I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
the gap.
Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> When I tried to start it last nite, I used some carb cleaner, as well as
> turning the distributor as said. I'm going to try the distributor trick one
> more time tonight cuz I think I had done one part wrong. However, I left the
> air filter cover off and let the carb cleaner dry out. When I went to start
> it, it blew a pretty large quantity of gas up through the top of the carb
> and all over the hood, etc. I'm starting to wonder if some hose or maybe
> something in the carb is plugged up? There's also a wire harness running
> from what looks to be an automatic choke on the back of the carb (closest to
> the firewall) with only one wire connected to the carb that runs off into
> this harness. At the same end of the harness, the other 3 wires are
> broken/snipped (hard to tell cuz of the mud). They look snipped tho. Is this
> important at all? I'm wondering if maybe someone didn't try and get rid of
> the smog control or something?
else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
the gap.
Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> When I tried to start it last nite, I used some carb cleaner, as well as
> turning the distributor as said. I'm going to try the distributor trick one
> more time tonight cuz I think I had done one part wrong. However, I left the
> air filter cover off and let the carb cleaner dry out. When I went to start
> it, it blew a pretty large quantity of gas up through the top of the carb
> and all over the hood, etc. I'm starting to wonder if some hose or maybe
> something in the carb is plugged up? There's also a wire harness running
> from what looks to be an automatic choke on the back of the carb (closest to
> the firewall) with only one wire connected to the carb that runs off into
> this harness. At the same end of the harness, the other 3 wires are
> broken/snipped (hard to tell cuz of the mud). They look snipped tho. Is this
> important at all? I'm wondering if maybe someone didn't try and get rid of
> the smog control or something?
11-03-2004, 11:30 AM
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Re: What are my likely sources of error?
I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
the gap.
Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> When I tried to start it last nite, I used some carb cleaner, as well as
> turning the distributor as said. I'm going to try the distributor trick one
> more time tonight cuz I think I had done one part wrong. However, I left the
> air filter cover off and let the carb cleaner dry out. When I went to start
> it, it blew a pretty large quantity of gas up through the top of the carb
> and all over the hood, etc. I'm starting to wonder if some hose or maybe
> something in the carb is plugged up? There's also a wire harness running
> from what looks to be an automatic choke on the back of the carb (closest to
> the firewall) with only one wire connected to the carb that runs off into
> this harness. At the same end of the harness, the other 3 wires are
> broken/snipped (hard to tell cuz of the mud). They look snipped tho. Is this
> important at all? I'm wondering if maybe someone didn't try and get rid of
> the smog control or something?
else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
the gap.
Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
griffin wrote:
>
> When I tried to start it last nite, I used some carb cleaner, as well as
> turning the distributor as said. I'm going to try the distributor trick one
> more time tonight cuz I think I had done one part wrong. However, I left the
> air filter cover off and let the carb cleaner dry out. When I went to start
> it, it blew a pretty large quantity of gas up through the top of the carb
> and all over the hood, etc. I'm starting to wonder if some hose or maybe
> something in the carb is plugged up? There's also a wire harness running
> from what looks to be an automatic choke on the back of the carb (closest to
> the firewall) with only one wire connected to the carb that runs off into
> this harness. At the same end of the harness, the other 3 wires are
> broken/snipped (hard to tell cuz of the mud). They look snipped tho. Is this
> important at all? I'm wondering if maybe someone didn't try and get rid of
> the smog control or something?
11-03-2004, 11:09 PM
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Re: What are my likely sources of error?
Update:
Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
....but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
be sure.
It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
....lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
skipped tooth?
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:418907A4.326F6D24@sympatico.ca...
> I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
> else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
> the gap.
>
> Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
> in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
> There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
> it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
....but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
be sure.
It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
....lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
skipped tooth?
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:418907A4.326F6D24@sympatico.ca...
> I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
> else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
> the gap.
>
> Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
> in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
> There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
> it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
11-03-2004, 11:09 PM
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Re: What are my likely sources of error?
Update:
Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
....but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
be sure.
It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
....lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
skipped tooth?
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:418907A4.326F6D24@sympatico.ca...
> I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
> else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
> the gap.
>
> Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
> in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
> There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
> it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
....but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
be sure.
It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
....lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
skipped tooth?
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:418907A4.326F6D24@sympatico.ca...
> I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
> else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
> the gap.
>
> Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
> in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
> There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
> it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
11-04-2004, 12:31 AM
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Re: What are my likely sources of error?
Just to be sure: are you sure that the distributor is clocked
correctly? When you insert it, it rotates the shaft something like
15-20 degrees as it seats so it's pretty easy to be one tooth off from
where you think it should be.
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:09:18 UTC "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca>
wrote:
> Update:
> Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
> afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
> with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
> the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
> However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
> fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
> Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
> the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
> the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
> the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
> around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
> into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
> ...but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
> regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
> is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
> the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
> be sure.
>
> It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
> ...lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
> off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
> skipped tooth?
>
--
Will Honea
correctly? When you insert it, it rotates the shaft something like
15-20 degrees as it seats so it's pretty easy to be one tooth off from
where you think it should be.
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:09:18 UTC "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca>
wrote:
> Update:
> Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
> afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
> with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
> the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
> However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
> fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
> Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
> the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
> the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
> the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
> around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
> into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
> ...but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
> regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
> is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
> the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
> be sure.
>
> It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
> ...lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
> off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
> skipped tooth?
>
--
Will Honea
11-04-2004, 12:31 AM
#67
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Re: What are my likely sources of error?
Just to be sure: are you sure that the distributor is clocked
correctly? When you insert it, it rotates the shaft something like
15-20 degrees as it seats so it's pretty easy to be one tooth off from
where you think it should be.
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:09:18 UTC "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca>
wrote:
> Update:
> Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
> afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
> with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
> the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
> However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
> fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
> Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
> the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
> the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
> the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
> around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
> into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
> ...but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
> regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
> is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
> the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
> be sure.
>
> It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
> ...lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
> off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
> skipped tooth?
>
--
Will Honea
correctly? When you insert it, it rotates the shaft something like
15-20 degrees as it seats so it's pretty easy to be one tooth off from
where you think it should be.
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:09:18 UTC "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca>
wrote:
> Update:
> Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
> afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
> with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
> the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
> However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
> fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
> Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
> the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
> the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
> the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
> around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
> into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
> ...but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
> regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
> is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
> the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
> be sure.
>
> It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
> ...lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
> off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
> skipped tooth?
>
--
Will Honea
11-04-2004, 09:00 AM
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Re: What are my likely sources of error?
I have no idea what that 'other' filter is.....
The real gas filter sits in front of the carb and has 2 outlets. The
center outlet goes to the carb and the top outlet goes to the gas return
line back to the tank. This second line needs to be at the top or gas
will syphon back to the tank when it sits making it a bugger to start
cold.
You can easily tell if that engine has jumped a tooth on the timing
chain. Well, you 'should' be able to tell, but you have messed with the
distributor rotation now eh?
Basically you can just put the crank at the timing mark and open the
distributor cap and the rotor inside will be pointing at #1 electric
post for the plug wire.
If the chain has jumped, (very very unlikely) the rotor won't be
pointing at #1.
Did you check the play in the chain yet?
Are you sure you didn't just crack the distributor cap when you hit
water?
Mike
griffin wrote:
>
> Update:
> Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
> afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
> with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
> the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
> However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
> fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
> Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
> the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
> the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
> the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
> around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
> into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
> ...but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
> regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
> is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
> the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
> be sure.
>
> It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
> ...lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
> off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
> skipped tooth?
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:418907A4.326F6D24@sympatico.ca...
> > I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
> > else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
> > the gap.
> >
> > Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
> > in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
> > There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
> > it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
The real gas filter sits in front of the carb and has 2 outlets. The
center outlet goes to the carb and the top outlet goes to the gas return
line back to the tank. This second line needs to be at the top or gas
will syphon back to the tank when it sits making it a bugger to start
cold.
You can easily tell if that engine has jumped a tooth on the timing
chain. Well, you 'should' be able to tell, but you have messed with the
distributor rotation now eh?
Basically you can just put the crank at the timing mark and open the
distributor cap and the rotor inside will be pointing at #1 electric
post for the plug wire.
If the chain has jumped, (very very unlikely) the rotor won't be
pointing at #1.
Did you check the play in the chain yet?
Are you sure you didn't just crack the distributor cap when you hit
water?
Mike
griffin wrote:
>
> Update:
> Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
> afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
> with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
> the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
> However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
> fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
> Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
> the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
> the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
> the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
> around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
> into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
> ...but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
> regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
> is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
> the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
> be sure.
>
> It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
> ...lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
> off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
> skipped tooth?
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:418907A4.326F6D24@sympatico.ca...
> > I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
> > else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
> > the gap.
> >
> > Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
> > in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
> > There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
> > it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
11-04-2004, 09:00 AM
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: What are my likely sources of error?
I have no idea what that 'other' filter is.....
The real gas filter sits in front of the carb and has 2 outlets. The
center outlet goes to the carb and the top outlet goes to the gas return
line back to the tank. This second line needs to be at the top or gas
will syphon back to the tank when it sits making it a bugger to start
cold.
You can easily tell if that engine has jumped a tooth on the timing
chain. Well, you 'should' be able to tell, but you have messed with the
distributor rotation now eh?
Basically you can just put the crank at the timing mark and open the
distributor cap and the rotor inside will be pointing at #1 electric
post for the plug wire.
If the chain has jumped, (very very unlikely) the rotor won't be
pointing at #1.
Did you check the play in the chain yet?
Are you sure you didn't just crack the distributor cap when you hit
water?
Mike
griffin wrote:
>
> Update:
> Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
> afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
> with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
> the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
> However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
> fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
> Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
> the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
> the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
> the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
> around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
> into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
> ...but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
> regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
> is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
> the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
> be sure.
>
> It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
> ...lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
> off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
> skipped tooth?
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:418907A4.326F6D24@sympatico.ca...
> > I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
> > else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
> > the gap.
> >
> > Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
> > in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
> > There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
> > it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
The real gas filter sits in front of the carb and has 2 outlets. The
center outlet goes to the carb and the top outlet goes to the gas return
line back to the tank. This second line needs to be at the top or gas
will syphon back to the tank when it sits making it a bugger to start
cold.
You can easily tell if that engine has jumped a tooth on the timing
chain. Well, you 'should' be able to tell, but you have messed with the
distributor rotation now eh?
Basically you can just put the crank at the timing mark and open the
distributor cap and the rotor inside will be pointing at #1 electric
post for the plug wire.
If the chain has jumped, (very very unlikely) the rotor won't be
pointing at #1.
Did you check the play in the chain yet?
Are you sure you didn't just crack the distributor cap when you hit
water?
Mike
griffin wrote:
>
> Update:
> Starting with the plugs dry ...tried to start it. Then checked the plugs
> afterwards and all of them were slightly "wet" with gas and I tested them
> with a spark tester and all of them lit up. It's definitely getting gas to
> the float - as it seems to be sort of leaking there if I overflood it.
> However, I noticed today that the "fuel filter" I replaced is not the only
> fuel filter my Jeep has. The one I replaced is connected to the Fuel Vapour
> Accumulator thing-a-majig right against the driver's side near the ground by
> the firewall (coffee-can type deal). Today I discovered what appears to be
> the REAL fuel filter that is near the front of the engine and connects to
> the front of the carb, to the fuel line, and appears to also branch off
> around the passenger side of the engine, around the back, and seems to go
> into the fuel vapour thing. I will replace the second fuel filter tomorrow
> ...but I'm wondering if the fact that I replaced the other filter with the
> regular fuel filter is the correct thing to do or if that fuel vapour filter
> is a different type? The one I removed seemed just a LITTLE bit bigger than
> the new one I put on ...maybe it's just a different brand ...but I'd like to
> be sure.
>
> It's almost starting tho ...it'll sorta start and choke and then die
> ...lot's of blue/black smoke. Guess I'm going to take the timing chain cover
> off this weekend and see if my timing isn't just completely FUBAR from a
> skipped tooth?
>
> --
> griffin
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
> '97 Toyota Corolla SD
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:418907A4.326F6D24@sympatico.ca...
> > I think I would pull the plugs and dry them out before trying anything
> > else. I have seen them get wet enough that crud washes in and blocks
> > the gap.
> >
> > Turning the distributor is a mistake though... There is no adjustment
> > in there that needs adjusting. Either it works or you have no spark.
> > There is a pickup coil in there. If you use a meter on ohms and check
> > it it should be between 400 and 800 ohms.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
11-06-2004, 03:46 PM
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: What are my likely sources of error?
OK, I've now replaced both fuel filters. I also checked the coil for between
400-800 ohms. I wasn't exactly sure which points to measure between but when
I unplugged the connector running from the distributor and ran a check
across the plug contacts, I get around 580-600 ohms. Is this correct?
I'm beginning to think that my timing is just either way off or my carb is
plugged up somewhere. I get lots of fuel to the carb but it seems to just be
accumulating there. There is gas getting to the plugs and I have dried them
off before attempting a restart but to no avail. My dipstick does have a
slight gassy odour to it. My last "easy" fix was a connector I found that
had come undone near the front of the carb but I'll have to wait for the
battery to recharge before seeing if that was the problem. Otherwise, I
guess I'm going to see about the timing chain as my next step.
It really tries hard to start but it just sputters and dies and there's gas
leaking out of the carb.
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
400-800 ohms. I wasn't exactly sure which points to measure between but when
I unplugged the connector running from the distributor and ran a check
across the plug contacts, I get around 580-600 ohms. Is this correct?
I'm beginning to think that my timing is just either way off or my carb is
plugged up somewhere. I get lots of fuel to the carb but it seems to just be
accumulating there. There is gas getting to the plugs and I have dried them
off before attempting a restart but to no avail. My dipstick does have a
slight gassy odour to it. My last "easy" fix was a connector I found that
had come undone near the front of the carb but I'll have to wait for the
battery to recharge before seeing if that was the problem. Otherwise, I
guess I'm going to see about the timing chain as my next step.
It really tries hard to start but it just sputters and dies and there's gas
leaking out of the carb.
--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD
