Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

billy ray wrote:
> Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to
> pay for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
> manufacturing...
>
> When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it
> doesn't mean that the part is high quality...... just that
> statistically you will sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two
> from now.

When you deal with NAPA, watch the part number. NCP vs ECH
NCP (NAPA Chassis Parts) ECH (Echelon). ECH are a better part.


> "Highcountry" wrote...
>> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
>> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
>> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
>> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
>> instead of price.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" wrote:
>>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China
>>> and costs
>>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest,
>>> Kragen, Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's
>>> engine on that crap.
>>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

billy ray wrote:
> Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to
> pay for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
> manufacturing...
>
> When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it
> doesn't mean that the part is high quality...... just that
> statistically you will sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two
> from now.

When you deal with NAPA, watch the part number. NCP vs ECH
NCP (NAPA Chassis Parts) ECH (Echelon). ECH are a better part.


> "Highcountry" wrote...
>> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
>> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
>> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
>> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
>> instead of price.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" wrote:
>>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China
>>> and costs
>>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest,
>>> Kragen, Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's
>>> engine on that crap.
>>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

billy ray wrote:
> Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to
> pay for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
> manufacturing...
>
> When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it
> doesn't mean that the part is high quality...... just that
> statistically you will sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two
> from now.

When you deal with NAPA, watch the part number. NCP vs ECH
NCP (NAPA Chassis Parts) ECH (Echelon). ECH are a better part.


> "Highcountry" wrote...
>> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
>> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
>> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
>> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
>> instead of price.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" wrote:
>>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China
>>> and costs
>>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest,
>>> Kragen, Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's
>>> engine on that crap.
>>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Highcountry wrote:

> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.

Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
never return for a replacement.

Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
warranty receipt.

I remember one outfit who's $195.00 'Lifetime Front-end Alignment'
warranty included a clause that nullified the contract if ANY of the
work they performed was tampered with in any way. After they aligned
your vehicle, they included free-of-charge, a tire rotation, marking the
inside of the rim and axle flange with marker paint. Surprise! Change
a tire, rotate a tire, have a flat fixed..whatever, and your warranty
was not void, and they always checked the paint markings so that they
could cheerfully deny warranty work.

I've even seen some outfits go to such extremes as to grease the front
end, then mark the fittings with paint as well. I know that Skippy Lube
outfits do this, but I'm not quite sure why. But I'm positive that it's
not good.

I'd like to think that foreign JUNK parts would go up in quality IF the
manufacturer demanded it. I don't think it can happen unless the
components were actually made in the USA, then shipped 'over there' for
assembly. When foreign foundrys cast parts, the material is inferior,
and no amount of profitability can change that.

Bottom line: unless it's made in the USA, I won't waste money on it.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Highcountry wrote:

> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.

Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
never return for a replacement.

Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
warranty receipt.

I remember one outfit who's $195.00 'Lifetime Front-end Alignment'
warranty included a clause that nullified the contract if ANY of the
work they performed was tampered with in any way. After they aligned
your vehicle, they included free-of-charge, a tire rotation, marking the
inside of the rim and axle flange with marker paint. Surprise! Change
a tire, rotate a tire, have a flat fixed..whatever, and your warranty
was not void, and they always checked the paint markings so that they
could cheerfully deny warranty work.

I've even seen some outfits go to such extremes as to grease the front
end, then mark the fittings with paint as well. I know that Skippy Lube
outfits do this, but I'm not quite sure why. But I'm positive that it's
not good.

I'd like to think that foreign JUNK parts would go up in quality IF the
manufacturer demanded it. I don't think it can happen unless the
components were actually made in the USA, then shipped 'over there' for
assembly. When foreign foundrys cast parts, the material is inferior,
and no amount of profitability can change that.

Bottom line: unless it's made in the USA, I won't waste money on it.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Highcountry wrote:

> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.

Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
never return for a replacement.

Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
warranty receipt.

I remember one outfit who's $195.00 'Lifetime Front-end Alignment'
warranty included a clause that nullified the contract if ANY of the
work they performed was tampered with in any way. After they aligned
your vehicle, they included free-of-charge, a tire rotation, marking the
inside of the rim and axle flange with marker paint. Surprise! Change
a tire, rotate a tire, have a flat fixed..whatever, and your warranty
was not void, and they always checked the paint markings so that they
could cheerfully deny warranty work.

I've even seen some outfits go to such extremes as to grease the front
end, then mark the fittings with paint as well. I know that Skippy Lube
outfits do this, but I'm not quite sure why. But I'm positive that it's
not good.

I'd like to think that foreign JUNK parts would go up in quality IF the
manufacturer demanded it. I don't think it can happen unless the
components were actually made in the USA, then shipped 'over there' for
assembly. When foreign foundrys cast parts, the material is inferior,
and no amount of profitability can change that.

Bottom line: unless it's made in the USA, I won't waste money on it.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Highcountry wrote:

> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.

Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
never return for a replacement.

Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
warranty receipt.

I remember one outfit who's $195.00 'Lifetime Front-end Alignment'
warranty included a clause that nullified the contract if ANY of the
work they performed was tampered with in any way. After they aligned
your vehicle, they included free-of-charge, a tire rotation, marking the
inside of the rim and axle flange with marker paint. Surprise! Change
a tire, rotate a tire, have a flat fixed..whatever, and your warranty
was not void, and they always checked the paint markings so that they
could cheerfully deny warranty work.

I've even seen some outfits go to such extremes as to grease the front
end, then mark the fittings with paint as well. I know that Skippy Lube
outfits do this, but I'm not quite sure why. But I'm positive that it's
not good.

I'd like to think that foreign JUNK parts would go up in quality IF the
manufacturer demanded it. I don't think it can happen unless the
components were actually made in the USA, then shipped 'over there' for
assembly. When foreign foundrys cast parts, the material is inferior,
and no amount of profitability can change that.

Bottom line: unless it's made in the USA, I won't waste money on it.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"Outatime" <whoknows@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:edednVvUEf_MTiHYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Highcountry wrote:
>
> > It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> > been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> > Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> > supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> > instead of price.
>
> Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
> expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
> you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

>
> Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
> foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
> Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
> never return for a replacement.

Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
miles so far and no problems.

>
> Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
> fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
> warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
> warranty receipt.

Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them. Nobody is saying that
you can't scan or photocopy your receipts if you buy from another chain.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"Outatime" <whoknows@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:edednVvUEf_MTiHYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Highcountry wrote:
>
> > It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> > been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> > Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> > supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> > instead of price.
>
> Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
> expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
> you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

>
> Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
> foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
> Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
> never return for a replacement.

Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
miles so far and no problems.

>
> Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
> fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
> warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
> warranty receipt.

Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them. Nobody is saying that
you can't scan or photocopy your receipts if you buy from another chain.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"Outatime" <whoknows@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:edednVvUEf_MTiHYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Highcountry wrote:
>
> > It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> > been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> > Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> > supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> > instead of price.
>
> Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
> expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
> you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

>
> Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
> foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
> Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
> never return for a replacement.

Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
miles so far and no problems.

>
> Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
> fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
> warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
> warranty receipt.

Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them. Nobody is saying that
you can't scan or photocopy your receipts if you buy from another chain.

Earle