Watch those parts weasles
 

I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and costs
about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that crap.
I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
instead of price.

On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and costs
> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
> Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that crap.
> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
instead of price.

On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and costs
> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
> Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that crap.
> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
instead of price.

On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and costs
> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
> Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that crap.
> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
instead of price.

On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and costs
> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
> Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that crap.
> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to pay
for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
manufacturing...

When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it doesn't
mean that the part is high quality...... just that statistically you will
sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two from now.


"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169996006.112957.111140@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.
>
> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and
>> costs
>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
>> Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that
>> crap.
>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to pay
for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
manufacturing...

When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it doesn't
mean that the part is high quality...... just that statistically you will
sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two from now.


"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169996006.112957.111140@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.
>
> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and
>> costs
>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
>> Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that
>> crap.
>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to pay
for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
manufacturing...

When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it doesn't
mean that the part is high quality...... just that statistically you will
sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two from now.


"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169996006.112957.111140@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.
>
> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and
>> costs
>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
>> Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that
>> crap.
>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to pay
for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
manufacturing...

When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it doesn't
mean that the part is high quality...... just that statistically you will
sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two from now.


"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169996006.112957.111140@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.
>
> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China and
>> costs
>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest, Kragen,
>> Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's engine on that
>> crap.
>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

billy ray wrote:
> Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to
> pay for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
> manufacturing...
>
> When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it
> doesn't mean that the part is high quality...... just that
> statistically you will sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two
> from now.

When you deal with NAPA, watch the part number. NCP vs ECH
NCP (NAPA Chassis Parts) ECH (Echelon). ECH are a better part.


> "Highcountry" wrote...
>> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
>> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
>> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
>> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
>> instead of price.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" wrote:
>>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China
>>> and costs
>>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest,
>>> Kragen, Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's
>>> engine on that crap.
>>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

billy ray wrote:
> Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to
> pay for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
> manufacturing...
>
> When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it
> doesn't mean that the part is high quality...... just that
> statistically you will sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two
> from now.

When you deal with NAPA, watch the part number. NCP vs ECH
NCP (NAPA Chassis Parts) ECH (Echelon). ECH are a better part.


> "Highcountry" wrote...
>> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
>> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
>> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
>> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
>> instead of price.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" wrote:
>>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China
>>> and costs
>>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest,
>>> Kragen, Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's
>>> engine on that crap.
>>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

billy ray wrote:
> Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to
> pay for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
> manufacturing...
>
> When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it
> doesn't mean that the part is high quality...... just that
> statistically you will sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two
> from now.

When you deal with NAPA, watch the part number. NCP vs ECH
NCP (NAPA Chassis Parts) ECH (Echelon). ECH are a better part.


> "Highcountry" wrote...
>> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
>> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
>> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
>> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
>> instead of price.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" wrote:
>>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China
>>> and costs
>>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest,
>>> Kragen, Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's
>>> engine on that crap.
>>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

billy ray wrote:
> Red China will make parts to any quality you want and are willing to
> pay for..... it is just that the retailers will not pay for quality
> manufacturing...
>
> When a retailer (or manufacturer) offers a lifetime guarantee it
> doesn't mean that the part is high quality...... just that
> statistically you will sell the vehicle before it fails a year or two
> from now.

When you deal with NAPA, watch the part number. NCP vs ECH
NCP (NAPA Chassis Parts) ECH (Echelon). ECH are a better part.


> "Highcountry" wrote...
>> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
>> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
>> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
>> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
>> instead of price.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 6:29 pm, "Stupendous Man" wrote:
>>> I brought home two 81 Mercedes turbo-diesels this week. I ordered a
>>> thermostat from napa and got it out of the box. It's made in China
>>> and costs
>>> about $26. I called the other stores in the region, Carquest,
>>> Kragen, Autozone. All made in China. Like I would risk anyone's
>>> engine on that crap.
>>> I ordered a German made Behr online for $11.90 and free shipping.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Highcountry wrote:

> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.

Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
never return for a replacement.

Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
warranty receipt.

I remember one outfit who's $195.00 'Lifetime Front-end Alignment'
warranty included a clause that nullified the contract if ANY of the
work they performed was tampered with in any way. After they aligned
your vehicle, they included free-of-charge, a tire rotation, marking the
inside of the rim and axle flange with marker paint. Surprise! Change
a tire, rotate a tire, have a flat fixed..whatever, and your warranty
was not void, and they always checked the paint markings so that they
could cheerfully deny warranty work.

I've even seen some outfits go to such extremes as to grease the front
end, then mark the fittings with paint as well. I know that Skippy Lube
outfits do this, but I'm not quite sure why. But I'm positive that it's
not good.

I'd like to think that foreign JUNK parts would go up in quality IF the
manufacturer demanded it. I don't think it can happen unless the
components were actually made in the USA, then shipped 'over there' for
assembly. When foreign foundrys cast parts, the material is inferior,
and no amount of profitability can change that.

Bottom line: unless it's made in the USA, I won't waste money on it.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Highcountry wrote:

> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.

Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
never return for a replacement.

Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
warranty receipt.

I remember one outfit who's $195.00 'Lifetime Front-end Alignment'
warranty included a clause that nullified the contract if ANY of the
work they performed was tampered with in any way. After they aligned
your vehicle, they included free-of-charge, a tire rotation, marking the
inside of the rim and axle flange with marker paint. Surprise! Change
a tire, rotate a tire, have a flat fixed..whatever, and your warranty
was not void, and they always checked the paint markings so that they
could cheerfully deny warranty work.

I've even seen some outfits go to such extremes as to grease the front
end, then mark the fittings with paint as well. I know that Skippy Lube
outfits do this, but I'm not quite sure why. But I'm positive that it's
not good.

I'd like to think that foreign JUNK parts would go up in quality IF the
manufacturer demanded it. I don't think it can happen unless the
components were actually made in the USA, then shipped 'over there' for
assembly. When foreign foundrys cast parts, the material is inferior,
and no amount of profitability can change that.

Bottom line: unless it's made in the USA, I won't waste money on it.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Highcountry wrote:

> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.

Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
never return for a replacement.

Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
warranty receipt.

I remember one outfit who's $195.00 'Lifetime Front-end Alignment'
warranty included a clause that nullified the contract if ANY of the
work they performed was tampered with in any way. After they aligned
your vehicle, they included free-of-charge, a tire rotation, marking the
inside of the rim and axle flange with marker paint. Surprise! Change
a tire, rotate a tire, have a flat fixed..whatever, and your warranty
was not void, and they always checked the paint markings so that they
could cheerfully deny warranty work.

I've even seen some outfits go to such extremes as to grease the front
end, then mark the fittings with paint as well. I know that Skippy Lube
outfits do this, but I'm not quite sure why. But I'm positive that it's
not good.

I'd like to think that foreign JUNK parts would go up in quality IF the
manufacturer demanded it. I don't think it can happen unless the
components were actually made in the USA, then shipped 'over there' for
assembly. When foreign foundrys cast parts, the material is inferior,
and no amount of profitability can change that.

Bottom line: unless it's made in the USA, I won't waste money on it.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Highcountry wrote:

> It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> instead of price.

Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
never return for a replacement.

Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
warranty receipt.

I remember one outfit who's $195.00 'Lifetime Front-end Alignment'
warranty included a clause that nullified the contract if ANY of the
work they performed was tampered with in any way. After they aligned
your vehicle, they included free-of-charge, a tire rotation, marking the
inside of the rim and axle flange with marker paint. Surprise! Change
a tire, rotate a tire, have a flat fixed..whatever, and your warranty
was not void, and they always checked the paint markings so that they
could cheerfully deny warranty work.

I've even seen some outfits go to such extremes as to grease the front
end, then mark the fittings with paint as well. I know that Skippy Lube
outfits do this, but I'm not quite sure why. But I'm positive that it's
not good.

I'd like to think that foreign JUNK parts would go up in quality IF the
manufacturer demanded it. I don't think it can happen unless the
components were actually made in the USA, then shipped 'over there' for
assembly. When foreign foundrys cast parts, the material is inferior,
and no amount of profitability can change that.

Bottom line: unless it's made in the USA, I won't waste money on it.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"Outatime" <whoknows@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:edednVvUEf_MTiHYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Highcountry wrote:
>
> > It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> > been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> > Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> > supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> > instead of price.
>
> Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
> expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
> you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

>
> Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
> foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
> Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
> never return for a replacement.

Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
miles so far and no problems.

>
> Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
> fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
> warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
> warranty receipt.

Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them. Nobody is saying that
you can't scan or photocopy your receipts if you buy from another chain.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"Outatime" <whoknows@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:edednVvUEf_MTiHYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Highcountry wrote:
>
> > It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> > been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> > Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> > supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> > instead of price.
>
> Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
> expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
> you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

>
> Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
> foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
> Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
> never return for a replacement.

Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
miles so far and no problems.

>
> Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
> fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
> warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
> warranty receipt.

Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them. Nobody is saying that
you can't scan or photocopy your receipts if you buy from another chain.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"Outatime" <whoknows@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:edednVvUEf_MTiHYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Highcountry wrote:
>
> > It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> > been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> > Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> > supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> > instead of price.
>
> Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
> expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
> you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

>
> Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
> foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
> Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
> never return for a replacement.

Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
miles so far and no problems.

>
> Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
> fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
> warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
> warranty receipt.

Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them. Nobody is saying that
you can't scan or photocopy your receipts if you buy from another chain.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"Outatime" <whoknows@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:edednVvUEf_MTiHYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Highcountry wrote:
>
> > It is more difficult each day to find decent parts. I have actually
> > been paying extra for AC parts for my GM vehicles just to avoid the
> > Chinese JUNK. It is a shame that not a single aftermarket parts
> > supplier will step up and supply a line of parts based on quality
> > instead of price.
>
> Same here. Lately, OEM parts are my best bet. Excellent quality and
> expensive. (sometimes you can get it cheaper off the 'Net, but often
> you'll get sent cheap, foreign junk disguised as OEM.)

What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

>
> Some places are better than others about this. AFAIC, all
> foreign-remanufactured stuff is useless junk. That "Gold Lifetime
> Warranty" is also nothing but hype, figuring that statistically, you'll
> never return for a replacement.

Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
miles so far and no problems.

>
> Worse, the printing on thermally-printed sales receipts is designed to
> fade and dissappear completely within 2 years, again rendering that
> warranty useless. Always take a photocopy of any thermally-printed
> warranty receipt.

Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them. Nobody is saying that
you can't scan or photocopy your receipts if you buy from another chain.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Earle Horton wrote:

> What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

Don't know enough about them to comment.

> Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
> I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
> miles so far and no problems.

Mexican and Canadian stuff usually isn't a problem; parts made in the US
are shipped there for assembly, then the resulting product is shipped
back. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you factor out
unionization problems, retirement/medical costs, high wages and high
taxes for doing business in the US, it comes out a lot cheaper. So long
as the design and material specs are OEM, it's not a bad deal.

I don't care for the argument that 'outsourcing' is bad; it helps
foreign economies thrive and it gives us lower prices, but when it comes
to asian-manufactured aftermarket junk, it isn't worth buying at any price.

> Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
> have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
> years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them.

It's good that AZ is customer-friendly, however most of the parts they
sell are junk.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Earle Horton wrote:

> What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

Don't know enough about them to comment.

> Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
> I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
> miles so far and no problems.

Mexican and Canadian stuff usually isn't a problem; parts made in the US
are shipped there for assembly, then the resulting product is shipped
back. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you factor out
unionization problems, retirement/medical costs, high wages and high
taxes for doing business in the US, it comes out a lot cheaper. So long
as the design and material specs are OEM, it's not a bad deal.

I don't care for the argument that 'outsourcing' is bad; it helps
foreign economies thrive and it gives us lower prices, but when it comes
to asian-manufactured aftermarket junk, it isn't worth buying at any price.

> Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
> have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
> years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them.

It's good that AZ is customer-friendly, however most of the parts they
sell are junk.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Earle Horton wrote:

> What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

Don't know enough about them to comment.

> Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
> I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
> miles so far and no problems.

Mexican and Canadian stuff usually isn't a problem; parts made in the US
are shipped there for assembly, then the resulting product is shipped
back. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you factor out
unionization problems, retirement/medical costs, high wages and high
taxes for doing business in the US, it comes out a lot cheaper. So long
as the design and material specs are OEM, it's not a bad deal.

I don't care for the argument that 'outsourcing' is bad; it helps
foreign economies thrive and it gives us lower prices, but when it comes
to asian-manufactured aftermarket junk, it isn't worth buying at any price.

> Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
> have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
> years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them.

It's good that AZ is customer-friendly, however most of the parts they
sell are junk.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Earle Horton wrote:

> What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)

Don't know enough about them to comment.

> Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au Canada".
> I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
> miles so far and no problems.

Mexican and Canadian stuff usually isn't a problem; parts made in the US
are shipped there for assembly, then the resulting product is shipped
back. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you factor out
unionization problems, retirement/medical costs, high wages and high
taxes for doing business in the US, it comes out a lot cheaper. So long
as the design and material specs are OEM, it's not a bad deal.

I don't care for the argument that 'outsourcing' is bad; it helps
foreign economies thrive and it gives us lower prices, but when it comes
to asian-manufactured aftermarket junk, it isn't worth buying at any price.

> Autozone they take your phone number and put it in the computer. All you
> have to do is remember the various phone numbers you have used over the
> years, and your lifetime warranty is good with them.

It's good that AZ is customer-friendly, however most of the parts they
sell are junk.

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Outatime wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)
>
> Don't know enough about them to comment.
>
>> Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au
>> Canada".
>> I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
>> miles so far and no problems.
>
> Mexican and Canadian stuff usually isn't a problem; parts made in the US
> are shipped there for assembly, then the resulting product is shipped
> back. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you factor out
> unionization problems, retirement/medical costs, high wages and high
> taxes for doing business in the US, it comes out a lot cheaper. So long
> as the design and material specs are OEM, it's not a bad deal.
>
> I don't care for the argument that 'outsourcing' is bad; it helps
> foreign economies thrive and it gives us lower prices, but when it comes
> to asian-manufactured aftermarket junk, it isn't worth buying at any price.
>

More than 95% of all computer products are made in Asia, including
manufacturing and assembly. They produce quality when they are required
to do so. The problem is the companies who buy the crap they make and
shove it down the U.S. consumer's throat, and many of us eat it up like
candy. I dealt with a few Japanese manufacturers in a previous job where
we made fluid power components. Many of these were made for forklifts.
We sold to many U.S. companies as well as a few Japanese companies. The
companies with the strictest quality requirements were Nissan and
Toyota, hands down.

It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank while
they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept for their own
product requirements.

Chris

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Outatime wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)
>
> Don't know enough about them to comment.
>
>> Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au
>> Canada".
>> I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
>> miles so far and no problems.
>
> Mexican and Canadian stuff usually isn't a problem; parts made in the US
> are shipped there for assembly, then the resulting product is shipped
> back. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you factor out
> unionization problems, retirement/medical costs, high wages and high
> taxes for doing business in the US, it comes out a lot cheaper. So long
> as the design and material specs are OEM, it's not a bad deal.
>
> I don't care for the argument that 'outsourcing' is bad; it helps
> foreign economies thrive and it gives us lower prices, but when it comes
> to asian-manufactured aftermarket junk, it isn't worth buying at any price.
>

More than 95% of all computer products are made in Asia, including
manufacturing and assembly. They produce quality when they are required
to do so. The problem is the companies who buy the crap they make and
shove it down the U.S. consumer's throat, and many of us eat it up like
candy. I dealt with a few Japanese manufacturers in a previous job where
we made fluid power components. Many of these were made for forklifts.
We sold to many U.S. companies as well as a few Japanese companies. The
companies with the strictest quality requirements were Nissan and
Toyota, hands down.

It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank while
they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept for their own
product requirements.

Chris

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Outatime wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)
>
> Don't know enough about them to comment.
>
>> Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au
>> Canada".
>> I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
>> miles so far and no problems.
>
> Mexican and Canadian stuff usually isn't a problem; parts made in the US
> are shipped there for assembly, then the resulting product is shipped
> back. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you factor out
> unionization problems, retirement/medical costs, high wages and high
> taxes for doing business in the US, it comes out a lot cheaper. So long
> as the design and material specs are OEM, it's not a bad deal.
>
> I don't care for the argument that 'outsourcing' is bad; it helps
> foreign economies thrive and it gives us lower prices, but when it comes
> to asian-manufactured aftermarket junk, it isn't worth buying at any price.
>

More than 95% of all computer products are made in Asia, including
manufacturing and assembly. They produce quality when they are required
to do so. The problem is the companies who buy the crap they make and
shove it down the U.S. consumer's throat, and many of us eat it up like
candy. I dealt with a few Japanese manufacturers in a previous job where
we made fluid power components. Many of these were made for forklifts.
We sold to many U.S. companies as well as a few Japanese companies. The
companies with the strictest quality requirements were Nissan and
Toyota, hands down.

It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank while
they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept for their own
product requirements.

Chris

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Outatime wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> What about "Mean Green" starters? ;^)
>
> Don't know enough about them to comment.
>
>> Almost all aftermarket parts are "hecho en México" or "fabrique au
>> Canada".
>> I have a whole car, a Honda Civic, that is "fabrique au Canada". 90,000
>> miles so far and no problems.
>
> Mexican and Canadian stuff usually isn't a problem; parts made in the US
> are shipped there for assembly, then the resulting product is shipped
> back. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you factor out
> unionization problems, retirement/medical costs, high wages and high
> taxes for doing business in the US, it comes out a lot cheaper. So long
> as the design and material specs are OEM, it's not a bad deal.
>
> I don't care for the argument that 'outsourcing' is bad; it helps
> foreign economies thrive and it gives us lower prices, but when it comes
> to asian-manufactured aftermarket junk, it isn't worth buying at any price.
>

More than 95% of all computer products are made in Asia, including
manufacturing and assembly. They produce quality when they are required
to do so. The problem is the companies who buy the crap they make and
shove it down the U.S. consumer's throat, and many of us eat it up like
candy. I dealt with a few Japanese manufacturers in a previous job where
we made fluid power components. Many of these were made for forklifts.
We sold to many U.S. companies as well as a few Japanese companies. The
companies with the strictest quality requirements were Nissan and
Toyota, hands down.

It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank while
they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept for their own
product requirements.

Chris

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
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....
>
> It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
> succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
> companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank
> while they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept
> for their own product requirements.
>
Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
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....
>
> It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
> succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
> companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank
> while they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept
> for their own product requirements.
>
Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:45bd3a47$0$8999$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
....
>
> It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
> succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
> companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank
> while they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept
> for their own product requirements.
>
Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:45bd3a47$0$8999$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
....
>
> It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
> succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
> companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank
> while they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept
> for their own product requirements.
>
Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.

Earle

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:45bd3a47$0$8999$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> ...
>> It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
>> succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
>> companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank
>> while they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept
>> for their own product requirements.
>>
> Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.
>
> Earle
>
>
I agree Earle. Many people have become bargain hunters and have
forgotten about quality. My main reason for replying to the post was to
point out that "made in Asia" doesn't mean the quality is bad, but "made
in Asia for the USA" usually does.

Chris

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:45bd3a47$0$8999$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> ...
>> It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
>> succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
>> companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank
>> while they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept
>> for their own product requirements.
>>
> Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.
>
> Earle
>
>
I agree Earle. Many people have become bargain hunters and have
forgotten about quality. My main reason for replying to the post was to
point out that "made in Asia" doesn't mean the quality is bad, but "made
in Asia for the USA" usually does.

Chris

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:45bd3a47$0$8999$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> ...
>> It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
>> succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
>> companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank
>> while they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept
>> for their own product requirements.
>>
> Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.
>
> Earle
>
>
I agree Earle. Many people have become bargain hunters and have
forgotten about quality. My main reason for replying to the post was to
point out that "made in Asia" doesn't mean the quality is bad, but "made
in Asia for the USA" usually does.

Chris

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:45bd3a47$0$8999$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> ...
>> It is sad to see that this country's biggest franchise chains have
>> succumbed to buying the inferior products that they buy. The Asian
>> companies making this crap are laughing all the way to the bank
>> while they produce this crap to lower standards than they accept
>> for their own product requirements.
>>
> Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.
>
> Earle
>
>
I agree Earle. Many people have become bargain hunters and have
forgotten about quality. My main reason for replying to the post was to
point out that "made in Asia" doesn't mean the quality is bad, but "made
in Asia for the USA" usually does.

Chris

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

> Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.
>

The Napa guy had a disgusted look when I told him I would refuse any Chinese
made parts.
J&L Industrial has a geat price on a Fowler micrometer set, they had to call
the factory rep to find out it was chinese for me. No sale.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

> Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.
>

The Napa guy had a disgusted look when I told him I would refuse any Chinese
made parts.
J&L Industrial has a geat price on a Fowler micrometer set, they had to call
the factory rep to find out it was chinese for me. No sale.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Watch those parts weasles
 

> Blame the consumer. People are getting what they want here.
>

The Napa guy had a disgusted look when I told him I would refuse any Chinese
made parts.
J&L Industrial has a geat price on a Fowler micrometer set, they had to call
the factory rep to find out it was chinese for me. No sale.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty