Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
#31
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Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Dave said he wasn't that concerned about fuel mileage as the Jeep isn't
>>a daily driver, and you would have to drive a LOT to make up the extra
>>expense of changing to a modern diesel.
>>
>>Yeah... President Bush is both crazy and stupid, that's why he keeps
>>beating his opponents...but this isn't a politics NG.
>
>
>
> Which opponents would that be?
>
To start with the Democrats...
I'm not a fan of George Bush, and this isn't a political forum, lets
talk about Jeeps, that's what we are here for.
Jeff DeWitt
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Dave said he wasn't that concerned about fuel mileage as the Jeep isn't
>>a daily driver, and you would have to drive a LOT to make up the extra
>>expense of changing to a modern diesel.
>>
>>Yeah... President Bush is both crazy and stupid, that's why he keeps
>>beating his opponents...but this isn't a politics NG.
>
>
>
> Which opponents would that be?
>
To start with the Democrats...
I'm not a fan of George Bush, and this isn't a political forum, lets
talk about Jeeps, that's what we are here for.
Jeff DeWitt
#32
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Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
with, and a little less with LPG.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:legqg.5472$4c7.425@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
> Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
> you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
> carburetor, ect.
>
> You might also consider something like this...
>
> http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html
>
> I love those big old tanks, good luck!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Hi Earle,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first
thought
> > was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> > Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in
it
> > (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
Chrysler
> >>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> >>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
bolt
> >
> > to
> >
> >>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
> >
> > so
> >
> >>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> >
> > Chrysler
> >
> >>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
V8s,
> >>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> >>
> >>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
bolt
> >>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
engine
> >>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
If
> >>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> >>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
torque,
> >>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
> >
> > more
> >
> >>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will
be
> >>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> >>
> >>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
> >
> > to
> >
> >>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
350
> >>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
cheap
> >>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> >>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
"all
> >>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
> >
> > case
> >
> >>do you have? Important information that.
> >>
> >>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
Chevy
> >>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
> >
> > was
> >
> >>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
many
> >
> > of
> >
> >>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> >
> > there
> >
> >>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
> >
> > from
> >
> >>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
reliable.
> >>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but
who
> >>knows what they will do with your parts?
> >>
> >>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
Adapters
> >>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
> >
> > and
> >
> >>engines were used in each vehicle.
> >>
> >>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> >
> > make
> >
> >>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
these
> >>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> >
> > crankshaft
> >
> >>position sensor.
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of, for now.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >>news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> >>
> >>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
> >>
> >>144
> >>
> >>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
> >>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> >>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> >
> > any
> >
> >>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> >
> > probably
> >
> >>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
> >
> > is
> >
> >>an
> >>
> >>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
with, and a little less with LPG.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:legqg.5472$4c7.425@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
> Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
> you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
> carburetor, ect.
>
> You might also consider something like this...
>
> http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html
>
> I love those big old tanks, good luck!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Hi Earle,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first
thought
> > was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> > Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in
it
> > (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
Chrysler
> >>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> >>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
bolt
> >
> > to
> >
> >>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
> >
> > so
> >
> >>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> >
> > Chrysler
> >
> >>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
V8s,
> >>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> >>
> >>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
bolt
> >>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
engine
> >>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
If
> >>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> >>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
torque,
> >>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
> >
> > more
> >
> >>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will
be
> >>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> >>
> >>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
> >
> > to
> >
> >>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
350
> >>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
cheap
> >>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> >>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
"all
> >>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
> >
> > case
> >
> >>do you have? Important information that.
> >>
> >>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
Chevy
> >>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
> >
> > was
> >
> >>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
many
> >
> > of
> >
> >>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> >
> > there
> >
> >>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
> >
> > from
> >
> >>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
reliable.
> >>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but
who
> >>knows what they will do with your parts?
> >>
> >>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
Adapters
> >>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
> >
> > and
> >
> >>engines were used in each vehicle.
> >>
> >>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> >
> > make
> >
> >>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
these
> >>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> >
> > crankshaft
> >
> >>position sensor.
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of, for now.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >>news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> >>
> >>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
> >>
> >>144
> >>
> >>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
> >>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> >>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> >
> > any
> >
> >>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> >
> > probably
> >
> >>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
> >
> > is
> >
> >>an
> >>
> >>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
with, and a little less with LPG.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:legqg.5472$4c7.425@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
> Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
> you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
> carburetor, ect.
>
> You might also consider something like this...
>
> http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html
>
> I love those big old tanks, good luck!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Hi Earle,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first
thought
> > was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> > Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in
it
> > (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
Chrysler
> >>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> >>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
bolt
> >
> > to
> >
> >>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
> >
> > so
> >
> >>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> >
> > Chrysler
> >
> >>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
V8s,
> >>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> >>
> >>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
bolt
> >>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
engine
> >>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
If
> >>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> >>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
torque,
> >>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
> >
> > more
> >
> >>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will
be
> >>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> >>
> >>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
> >
> > to
> >
> >>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
350
> >>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
cheap
> >>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> >>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
"all
> >>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
> >
> > case
> >
> >>do you have? Important information that.
> >>
> >>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
Chevy
> >>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
> >
> > was
> >
> >>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
many
> >
> > of
> >
> >>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> >
> > there
> >
> >>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
> >
> > from
> >
> >>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
reliable.
> >>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but
who
> >>knows what they will do with your parts?
> >>
> >>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
Adapters
> >>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
> >
> > and
> >
> >>engines were used in each vehicle.
> >>
> >>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> >
> > make
> >
> >>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
these
> >>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> >
> > crankshaft
> >
> >>position sensor.
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of, for now.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >>news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> >>
> >>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
> >>
> >>144
> >>
> >>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
> >>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> >>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> >
> > any
> >
> >>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> >
> > probably
> >
> >>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
> >
> > is
> >
> >>an
> >>
> >>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
with, and a little less with LPG.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:legqg.5472$4c7.425@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
> Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
> you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
> carburetor, ect.
>
> You might also consider something like this...
>
> http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html
>
> I love those big old tanks, good luck!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Hi Earle,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first
thought
> > was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> > Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in
it
> > (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
Chrysler
> >>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> >>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
bolt
> >
> > to
> >
> >>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
> >
> > so
> >
> >>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> >
> > Chrysler
> >
> >>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
V8s,
> >>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> >>
> >>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
bolt
> >>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
engine
> >>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
If
> >>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> >>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
torque,
> >>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
> >
> > more
> >
> >>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will
be
> >>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> >>
> >>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
> >
> > to
> >
> >>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
350
> >>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
cheap
> >>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> >>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
"all
> >>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
> >
> > case
> >
> >>do you have? Important information that.
> >>
> >>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
Chevy
> >>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
> >
> > was
> >
> >>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
many
> >
> > of
> >
> >>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> >
> > there
> >
> >>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
> >
> > from
> >
> >>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
reliable.
> >>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but
who
> >>knows what they will do with your parts?
> >>
> >>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
Adapters
> >>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
> >
> > and
> >
> >>engines were used in each vehicle.
> >>
> >>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> >
> > make
> >
> >>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
these
> >>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> >
> > crankshaft
> >
> >>position sensor.
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of, for now.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >>news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> >>
> >>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
> >>
> >>144
> >>
> >>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
> >>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> >>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> >
> > any
> >
> >>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> >
> > probably
> >
> >>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
> >
> > is
> >
> >>an
> >>
> >>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
with, and a little less with LPG.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:legqg.5472$4c7.425@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
> Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
> you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
> carburetor, ect.
>
> You might also consider something like this...
>
> http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html
>
> I love those big old tanks, good luck!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Hi Earle,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first
thought
> > was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> > Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in
it
> > (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
Chrysler
> >>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> >>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
bolt
> >
> > to
> >
> >>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
> >
> > so
> >
> >>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> >
> > Chrysler
> >
> >>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
V8s,
> >>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> >>
> >>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
bolt
> >>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
engine
> >>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
If
> >>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> >>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
torque,
> >>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
> >
> > more
> >
> >>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will
be
> >>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> >>
> >>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
> >
> > to
> >
> >>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
350
> >>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
cheap
> >>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> >>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
"all
> >>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
> >
> > case
> >
> >>do you have? Important information that.
> >>
> >>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
Chevy
> >>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
> >
> > was
> >
> >>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
many
> >
> > of
> >
> >>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> >
> > there
> >
> >>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
> >
> > from
> >
> >>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
reliable.
> >>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but
who
> >>knows what they will do with your parts?
> >>
> >>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
Adapters
> >>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
> >
> > and
> >
> >>engines were used in each vehicle.
> >>
> >>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> >
> > make
> >
> >>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
these
> >>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> >
> > crankshaft
> >
> >>position sensor.
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of, for now.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >>news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> >>
> >>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
> >>
> >>144
> >>
> >>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
> >>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> >>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> >
> > any
> >
> >>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> >
> > probably
> >
> >>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
> >
> > is
> >
> >>an
> >>
> >>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
with, and a little less with LPG.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:legqg.5472$4c7.425@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
> Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
> you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
> carburetor, ect.
>
> You might also consider something like this...
>
> http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html
>
> I love those big old tanks, good luck!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Hi Earle,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first
thought
> > was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> > Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in
it
> > (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
Chrysler
> >>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> >>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
bolt
> >
> > to
> >
> >>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
> >
> > so
> >
> >>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> >
> > Chrysler
> >
> >>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
V8s,
> >>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> >>
> >>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
bolt
> >>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
engine
> >>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
If
> >>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> >>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
torque,
> >>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
> >
> > more
> >
> >>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will
be
> >>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> >>
> >>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
> >
> > to
> >
> >>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
350
> >>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
cheap
> >>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> >>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
"all
> >>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
> >
> > case
> >
> >>do you have? Important information that.
> >>
> >>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
Chevy
> >>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
> >
> > was
> >
> >>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
many
> >
> > of
> >
> >>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> >
> > there
> >
> >>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
> >
> > from
> >
> >>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
reliable.
> >>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but
who
> >>knows what they will do with your parts?
> >>
> >>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
Adapters
> >>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
> >
> > and
> >
> >>engines were used in each vehicle.
> >>
> >>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> >
> > make
> >
> >>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
these
> >>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> >
> > crankshaft
> >
> >>position sensor.
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of, for now.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >>news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> >>
> >>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
> >>
> >>144
> >>
> >>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
> >>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> >>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> >
> > any
> >
> >>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> >
> > probably
> >
> >>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
> >
> > is
> >
> >>an
> >>
> >>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
"And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
> with, and a little less with LPG.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
> with, and a little less with LPG.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
"And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
> with, and a little less with LPG.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
> with, and a little less with LPG.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
"And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
> with, and a little less with LPG.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
> with, and a little less with LPG.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> "And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
More insane twaddle.
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> "And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
More insane twaddle.
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> "And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
More insane twaddle.