Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144
hp which is about 50% of enough. Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144 > hp which is about 50% of enough. > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) http://www.jimsautoparts.com/mopar_p...ce_engines.htm *grin* -- DougW |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144 > hp which is about 50% of enough. > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) http://www.jimsautoparts.com/mopar_p...ce_engines.htm *grin* -- DougW |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144 > hp which is about 50% of enough. > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) http://www.jimsautoparts.com/mopar_p...ce_engines.htm *grin* -- DougW |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Dave,
Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt to it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly so that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the Chrysler variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s, which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic. Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque, but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want more air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here. An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter, to put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350 engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer case do you have? Important information that. Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy 283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant was successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many of the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so there was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back from Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable. The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but who knows what they will do with your parts? You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions and engines were used in each vehicle. Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies make turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the crankshaft position sensor. That's all I can think of, for now. Earle "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144 > hp which is about 50% of enough. > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Dave,
Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt to it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly so that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the Chrysler variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s, which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic. Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque, but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want more air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here. An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter, to put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350 engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer case do you have? Important information that. Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy 283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant was successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many of the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so there was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back from Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable. The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but who knows what they will do with your parts? You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions and engines were used in each vehicle. Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies make turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the crankshaft position sensor. That's all I can think of, for now. Earle "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144 > hp which is about 50% of enough. > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Dave,
Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt to it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly so that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the Chrysler variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s, which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic. Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque, but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want more air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here. An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter, to put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350 engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer case do you have? Important information that. Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy 283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant was successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many of the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so there was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back from Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable. The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but who knows what they will do with your parts? You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions and engines were used in each vehicle. Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies make turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the crankshaft position sensor. That's all I can think of, for now. Earle "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144 > hp which is about 50% of enough. > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Hi Earle,
Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first thought was a crate 401, but I can't find any. Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in it (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Dave, > > Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler > Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt > pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt to > it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly so > that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the Chrysler > variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s, > which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic. > > Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt > any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine > mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If > you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the > current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque, > but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want more > air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be > rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here. > > An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter, to > put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350 > engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap > too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new > transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all > set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer case > do you have? Important information that. > > Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy > 283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant was > successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many of > the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so there > was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back from > Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable. > The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but who > knows what they will do with your parts? > > You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters > web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions and > engines were used in each vehicle. > > Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies make > turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these > should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the crankshaft > position sensor. > > That's all I can think of, for now. > > Earle > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has > 144 > > hp which is about 50% of enough. > > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is > an > > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Hi Earle,
Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first thought was a crate 401, but I can't find any. Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in it (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Dave, > > Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler > Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt > pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt to > it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly so > that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the Chrysler > variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s, > which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic. > > Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt > any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine > mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If > you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the > current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque, > but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want more > air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be > rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here. > > An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter, to > put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350 > engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap > too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new > transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all > set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer case > do you have? Important information that. > > Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy > 283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant was > successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many of > the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so there > was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back from > Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable. > The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but who > knows what they will do with your parts? > > You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters > web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions and > engines were used in each vehicle. > > Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies make > turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these > should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the crankshaft > position sensor. > > That's all I can think of, for now. > > Earle > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has > 144 > > hp which is about 50% of enough. > > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is > an > > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > |
Re: Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?
Hi Earle,
Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first thought was a crate 401, but I can't find any. Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in it (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message news:44a89003$0$23786$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > Dave, > > Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler > Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt > pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt to > it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly so > that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the Chrysler > variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s, > which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic. > > Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt > any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine > mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If > you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the > current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque, > but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want more > air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be > rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here. > > An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter, to > put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350 > engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap > too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new > transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all > set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer case > do you have? Important information that. > > Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy > 283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant was > successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many of > the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so there > was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back from > Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable. > The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Espaņoles, but who > knows what they will do with your parts? > > You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters > web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions and > engines were used in each vehicle. > > Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies make > turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these > should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the crankshaft > position sensor. > > That's all I can think of, for now. > > Earle > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:BHNpg.94772$wl.43146@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has > 144 > > hp which is about 50% of enough. > > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up > > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any > > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably > > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is > an > > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-) > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > |
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