Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

L.W. (ßill) ------ III did pass the time by typing:
> OK, the auto manufacturers put a transmission heater on just for
> you.

Oddly enough most auto trannies have a heater (of sorts). They run
fluid through the radiator and when you block the rad off to warm the
engine it will start warming tranny fluid.

It's the diffs that turn into jell-o. That and the transfer case.
I prefer simply to not be in that cold of an environment. :)

Of course the best part of being up where it's cold is the first
few miles of thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, till the tires
warm up and loose that flat spot.

> Lon wrote:
>>
>> 'nother issue is that if you idle the vehicle until the engine is
>> warmed up, your suspension, axles, transfer case, and transmission
>> are all still cold. Moving off right after the start and simply
>> taking it easy warms all the pieces up together.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

You should have felt it when tires used Nylon.
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DougW wrote:
>
> Oddly enough most auto trannies have a heater (of sorts). They run
> fluid through the radiator and when you block the rad off to warm the
> engine it will start warming tranny fluid.
>
> It's the diffs that turn into jell-o. That and the transfer case.
> I prefer simply to not be in that cold of an environment. :)
>
> Of course the best part of being up where it's cold is the first
> few miles of thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, till the tires
> warm up and loose that flat spot.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

You should have felt it when tires used Nylon.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> Oddly enough most auto trannies have a heater (of sorts). They run
> fluid through the radiator and when you block the rad off to warm the
> engine it will start warming tranny fluid.
>
> It's the diffs that turn into jell-o. That and the transfer case.
> I prefer simply to not be in that cold of an environment. :)
>
> Of course the best part of being up where it's cold is the first
> few miles of thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, till the tires
> warm up and loose that flat spot.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

You should have felt it when tires used Nylon.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> Oddly enough most auto trannies have a heater (of sorts). They run
> fluid through the radiator and when you block the rad off to warm the
> engine it will start warming tranny fluid.
>
> It's the diffs that turn into jell-o. That and the transfer case.
> I prefer simply to not be in that cold of an environment. :)
>
> Of course the best part of being up where it's cold is the first
> few miles of thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, till the tires
> warm up and loose that flat spot.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

You should have felt it when tires used Nylon.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> Oddly enough most auto trannies have a heater (of sorts). They run
> fluid through the radiator and when you block the rad off to warm the
> engine it will start warming tranny fluid.
>
> It's the diffs that turn into jell-o. That and the transfer case.
> I prefer simply to not be in that cold of an environment. :)
>
> Of course the best part of being up where it's cold is the first
> few miles of thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, thunka, till the tires
> warm up and loose that flat spot.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Especially on my '71 VW camper! Not "thunka, thunka," but "WHOMP, WHOMP!"

Paul B.
01 XJ

> You should have felt it when tires used Nylon.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Especially on my '71 VW camper! Not "thunka, thunka," but "WHOMP, WHOMP!"

Paul B.
01 XJ

> You should have felt it when tires used Nylon.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Especially on my '71 VW camper! Not "thunka, thunka," but "WHOMP, WHOMP!"

Paul B.
01 XJ

> You should have felt it when tires used Nylon.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Especially on my '71 VW camper! Not "thunka, thunka," but "WHOMP, WHOMP!"

Paul B.
01 XJ

> You should have felt it when tires used Nylon.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:02:48 UTC Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:

> Fred W. proclaimed:
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZuydnXLpeIr7RYHcRVn-vg@magma.ca...
> >
> >>Can you please explain, why do you drive it to heat it up quickly?
> >>Thanks in advance
> >>Frank
> >
> >
> > The idea here is that the amount of cold engine wear with the engine sitting
> > idling (think low oil pump pressure) is worse for the engine than if you
> > start to drive right away where you get some additional pump pressure to
> > move the thickened oil. Obviously, the thinner the oil stays at low temps
> > the better. Obviously, you take it easy until the oil comes up to temp.
> > Also, remember that the oil is slower to warm than the coolant, so don't
> > just go by the temp gauge in the dash (unless you have an oil temp gauge
> > too)
> >
> > Even though -15 is not all that cold, you could use synthetic oil,
> > especially one with a smaller first number, such as Mobil1 0w40, and this
> > will stay far thinner than even 5W30 conventional oil.
>
>
> 'nother issue is that if you idle the vehicle until the engine is
> warmed up, your suspension, axles, transfer case, and transmission
> are all still cold. Moving off right after the start and simply
> taking it easy warms all the pieces up together.

Sounds good, but 'taint always that easy. I had an old Scout
(4-banger) when I was stationed up in Wisconsin that was a good case
in point. Now, the fancy multi-grade gear oils were hard to come by
in the late 60's so that bitchin cold winter saw a routine like this
when it hit 35 below a few times:

Clutch in, hope to get the engine to fire without flooding (if it
floods, it's all over until you pull the plugs and defrost them).
Engine running, tranny in neutral, rev the engine up to a really fast
idle and left the clutch out SLOWLY. May have to feather it in and
out a few time to stir the tranny up enough to turn over. Sit there
until it idles with the clutch out in neutral.

Clutch in, transfer case to neutral, shift to reverse (highest ratio
in the old 3-spd). Repeat the above step until it idles in reverse
with the tc in neutral. Then go thru the gears to sling some of the
gum off the rotating parts.

Now comes the real fun. I was fortunate enough to have the twin stick
tc so I had 2wd low range available, which made it easier. Low range,
first gear or reverse (reverse was better) race hell out of the engine
and try to break the rear diff and wheels loose enough to move. Works
best if you head downhill. I had a block heater that actually worked,
but getting the gears to turn was a real challenge. I finally solved
the problem, tho: I moved to where it didn't get that cold.

--
Will Honea