Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

I'd always understood it is because they are scared they can't get
them started again.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:411D47DF.2DBAD287@cox.net...
> Again you want to put a cold engine under a load? If this is such
> an easy thing to do, why do think truckers never turn off their engines.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

I'd always understood it is because they are scared they can't get
them started again.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:411D47DF.2DBAD287@cox.net...
> Again you want to put a cold engine under a load? If this is such
> an easy thing to do, why do think truckers never turn off their engines.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

I'd always understood it is because they are scared they can't get
them started again.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:411D47DF.2DBAD287@cox.net...
> Again you want to put a cold engine under a load? If this is such
> an easy thing to do, why do think truckers never turn off their engines.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Well, I've also seen over 200 truckers stalled in parking lots and
beside the road in 800 miles of westbound I-80 because they were so
cheap that they thought they could get by with #2 diesel in cold
weather. And the truckers that left their engines running, they would
stall on the on-ramps or 1/4 mile onto the freeway when the sludge they
were burning hit the injectors. Nary a one on eastbound, guess those
northern guys have more respect for their equipment. But what do I know
about big trucks?

As for FI automobile engines, 1500 rpm at 20 mph is just enough load to
keep the engine from racing too fast under fast idle conditions.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Again you want to put a cold engine under a load? If this is such
> an easy thing to do, why do think truckers never turn off their engines.
> You know it cost them money to have them just idle, but a heck of a lot
> less than a rebuild.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>The intent is to get the engine through the low operating temp as
>>quickly as possible. you want to get the engine out of limp mode (rich
>>mix) that can wash down the walls. It's not as bad on the FI vehicles,
>>it can be brutal on a carb vehicle. You also want to spend as little
>>time as possible turning the eninge over with thick oil.
>>
>>Normal very cold weather start up procedure is to start the engine,
>>fast idle for one to two minutes, start driving gently (no more than 20
>>to 30 mph) Keeps the engine rpm up in the 1500 to 2000 rpm range while
>>still providing some small load. Once the temp gage starts showing a
>>reading, you can push it down a bit, just no freeway driving until the
>>gage is well up on the scale. A lot of times the automatics are the
>>limiting factor. Put them in drive and nothing much happens until the
>>friction in the toque converter warms things up enough to get oil
>>pressure to the clutches.
>>
>>Generally the carbed vehicles are good to -25, FI goes to -35. Both take
>>some pretty healthy batteries, thinner oil, and recent tuneups. My
>>personal record is -35 in a windswept parking lot in Thief River Falls,
>>MN (Think Arctic Cat test track) at 6:30AM in January
>>
>>BTW: When it's -35 out, it's 35 degrees warmer in the freezer section of
>>your frige. And 30 weight oil turns white, sets up firmly, looks just
>>like candle wax. Wonderful experience. Everyone should try it. Once is
>>enough though.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Well, I've also seen over 200 truckers stalled in parking lots and
beside the road in 800 miles of westbound I-80 because they were so
cheap that they thought they could get by with #2 diesel in cold
weather. And the truckers that left their engines running, they would
stall on the on-ramps or 1/4 mile onto the freeway when the sludge they
were burning hit the injectors. Nary a one on eastbound, guess those
northern guys have more respect for their equipment. But what do I know
about big trucks?

As for FI automobile engines, 1500 rpm at 20 mph is just enough load to
keep the engine from racing too fast under fast idle conditions.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Again you want to put a cold engine under a load? If this is such
> an easy thing to do, why do think truckers never turn off their engines.
> You know it cost them money to have them just idle, but a heck of a lot
> less than a rebuild.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>The intent is to get the engine through the low operating temp as
>>quickly as possible. you want to get the engine out of limp mode (rich
>>mix) that can wash down the walls. It's not as bad on the FI vehicles,
>>it can be brutal on a carb vehicle. You also want to spend as little
>>time as possible turning the eninge over with thick oil.
>>
>>Normal very cold weather start up procedure is to start the engine,
>>fast idle for one to two minutes, start driving gently (no more than 20
>>to 30 mph) Keeps the engine rpm up in the 1500 to 2000 rpm range while
>>still providing some small load. Once the temp gage starts showing a
>>reading, you can push it down a bit, just no freeway driving until the
>>gage is well up on the scale. A lot of times the automatics are the
>>limiting factor. Put them in drive and nothing much happens until the
>>friction in the toque converter warms things up enough to get oil
>>pressure to the clutches.
>>
>>Generally the carbed vehicles are good to -25, FI goes to -35. Both take
>>some pretty healthy batteries, thinner oil, and recent tuneups. My
>>personal record is -35 in a windswept parking lot in Thief River Falls,
>>MN (Think Arctic Cat test track) at 6:30AM in January
>>
>>BTW: When it's -35 out, it's 35 degrees warmer in the freezer section of
>>your frige. And 30 weight oil turns white, sets up firmly, looks just
>>like candle wax. Wonderful experience. Everyone should try it. Once is
>>enough though.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Well, I've also seen over 200 truckers stalled in parking lots and
beside the road in 800 miles of westbound I-80 because they were so
cheap that they thought they could get by with #2 diesel in cold
weather. And the truckers that left their engines running, they would
stall on the on-ramps or 1/4 mile onto the freeway when the sludge they
were burning hit the injectors. Nary a one on eastbound, guess those
northern guys have more respect for their equipment. But what do I know
about big trucks?

As for FI automobile engines, 1500 rpm at 20 mph is just enough load to
keep the engine from racing too fast under fast idle conditions.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Again you want to put a cold engine under a load? If this is such
> an easy thing to do, why do think truckers never turn off their engines.
> You know it cost them money to have them just idle, but a heck of a lot
> less than a rebuild.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>The intent is to get the engine through the low operating temp as
>>quickly as possible. you want to get the engine out of limp mode (rich
>>mix) that can wash down the walls. It's not as bad on the FI vehicles,
>>it can be brutal on a carb vehicle. You also want to spend as little
>>time as possible turning the eninge over with thick oil.
>>
>>Normal very cold weather start up procedure is to start the engine,
>>fast idle for one to two minutes, start driving gently (no more than 20
>>to 30 mph) Keeps the engine rpm up in the 1500 to 2000 rpm range while
>>still providing some small load. Once the temp gage starts showing a
>>reading, you can push it down a bit, just no freeway driving until the
>>gage is well up on the scale. A lot of times the automatics are the
>>limiting factor. Put them in drive and nothing much happens until the
>>friction in the toque converter warms things up enough to get oil
>>pressure to the clutches.
>>
>>Generally the carbed vehicles are good to -25, FI goes to -35. Both take
>>some pretty healthy batteries, thinner oil, and recent tuneups. My
>>personal record is -35 in a windswept parking lot in Thief River Falls,
>>MN (Think Arctic Cat test track) at 6:30AM in January
>>
>>BTW: When it's -35 out, it's 35 degrees warmer in the freezer section of
>>your frige. And 30 weight oil turns white, sets up firmly, looks just
>>like candle wax. Wonderful experience. Everyone should try it. Once is
>>enough though.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Well, I've also seen over 200 truckers stalled in parking lots and
beside the road in 800 miles of westbound I-80 because they were so
cheap that they thought they could get by with #2 diesel in cold
weather. And the truckers that left their engines running, they would
stall on the on-ramps or 1/4 mile onto the freeway when the sludge they
were burning hit the injectors. Nary a one on eastbound, guess those
northern guys have more respect for their equipment. But what do I know
about big trucks?

As for FI automobile engines, 1500 rpm at 20 mph is just enough load to
keep the engine from racing too fast under fast idle conditions.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Again you want to put a cold engine under a load? If this is such
> an easy thing to do, why do think truckers never turn off their engines.
> You know it cost them money to have them just idle, but a heck of a lot
> less than a rebuild.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>The intent is to get the engine through the low operating temp as
>>quickly as possible. you want to get the engine out of limp mode (rich
>>mix) that can wash down the walls. It's not as bad on the FI vehicles,
>>it can be brutal on a carb vehicle. You also want to spend as little
>>time as possible turning the eninge over with thick oil.
>>
>>Normal very cold weather start up procedure is to start the engine,
>>fast idle for one to two minutes, start driving gently (no more than 20
>>to 30 mph) Keeps the engine rpm up in the 1500 to 2000 rpm range while
>>still providing some small load. Once the temp gage starts showing a
>>reading, you can push it down a bit, just no freeway driving until the
>>gage is well up on the scale. A lot of times the automatics are the
>>limiting factor. Put them in drive and nothing much happens until the
>>friction in the toque converter warms things up enough to get oil
>>pressure to the clutches.
>>
>>Generally the carbed vehicles are good to -25, FI goes to -35. Both take
>>some pretty healthy batteries, thinner oil, and recent tuneups. My
>>personal record is -35 in a windswept parking lot in Thief River Falls,
>>MN (Think Arctic Cat test track) at 6:30AM in January
>>
>>BTW: When it's -35 out, it's 35 degrees warmer in the freezer section of
>>your frige. And 30 weight oil turns white, sets up firmly, looks just
>>like candle wax. Wonderful experience. Everyone should try it. Once is
>>enough though.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Well, I like to keep my cars, without having to work on them, the
heads have never been off my '78 Bronco with over three hundred thousand
miles, nor '89 Thunderbird, with over two hundred and fifty thousand
miles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


RoyJ wrote:
>
> Well, I've also seen over 200 truckers stalled in parking lots and
> beside the road in 800 miles of westbound I-80 because they were so
> cheap that they thought they could get by with #2 diesel in cold
> weather. And the truckers that left their engines running, they would
> stall on the on-ramps or 1/4 mile onto the freeway when the sludge they
> were burning hit the injectors. Nary a one on eastbound, guess those
> northern guys have more respect for their equipment. But what do I know
> about big trucks?
>
> As for FI automobile engines, 1500 rpm at 20 mph is just enough load to
> keep the engine from racing too fast under fast idle conditions.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Well, I like to keep my cars, without having to work on them, the
heads have never been off my '78 Bronco with over three hundred thousand
miles, nor '89 Thunderbird, with over two hundred and fifty thousand
miles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


RoyJ wrote:
>
> Well, I've also seen over 200 truckers stalled in parking lots and
> beside the road in 800 miles of westbound I-80 because they were so
> cheap that they thought they could get by with #2 diesel in cold
> weather. And the truckers that left their engines running, they would
> stall on the on-ramps or 1/4 mile onto the freeway when the sludge they
> were burning hit the injectors. Nary a one on eastbound, guess those
> northern guys have more respect for their equipment. But what do I know
> about big trucks?
>
> As for FI automobile engines, 1500 rpm at 20 mph is just enough load to
> keep the engine from racing too fast under fast idle conditions.

Re: Very cold at elk camp... synthetic oil in my TJ?
 

Well, I like to keep my cars, without having to work on them, the
heads have never been off my '78 Bronco with over three hundred thousand
miles, nor '89 Thunderbird, with over two hundred and fifty thousand
miles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


RoyJ wrote:
>
> Well, I've also seen over 200 truckers stalled in parking lots and
> beside the road in 800 miles of westbound I-80 because they were so
> cheap that they thought they could get by with #2 diesel in cold
> weather. And the truckers that left their engines running, they would
> stall on the on-ramps or 1/4 mile onto the freeway when the sludge they
> were burning hit the injectors. Nary a one on eastbound, guess those
> northern guys have more respect for their equipment. But what do I know
> about big trucks?
>
> As for FI automobile engines, 1500 rpm at 20 mph is just enough load to
> keep the engine from racing too fast under fast idle conditions.