Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Oct 25, 5:49 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: > Cool. Let us know the real outcome. Not what a bought and paid for > magazine would print. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ > > "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1193351380.205139.269050@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com... > > > > > It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally > > made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that > > some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty > > happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ > > rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and > > the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was > > organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the > > cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just > > from the flexing! > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and the vehicles were used hard. http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
My '08 X weighs 310 pounds more than the '03 Sport I traded in.
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:13i293dch9nhf3@corp.supernews.com... > > "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com... >> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net> >> wrote: >>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>> Mitsubushi. >>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. >> >> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent >> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just >> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit >> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles >> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new >> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish. >> >> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to >> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque >> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0. >> > > Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to > the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000 > lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what > really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even > the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as > the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps. > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
My '08 X weighs 310 pounds more than the '03 Sport I traded in.
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:13i293dch9nhf3@corp.supernews.com... > > "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com... >> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net> >> wrote: >>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>> Mitsubushi. >>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. >> >> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent >> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just >> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit >> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles >> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new >> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish. >> >> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to >> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque >> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0. >> > > Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to > the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000 > lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what > really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even > the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as > the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps. > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
My '08 X weighs 310 pounds more than the '03 Sport I traded in.
"Raptor" <I_AM_Raptor@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:13i293dch9nhf3@corp.supernews.com... > > "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com... >> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net> >> wrote: >>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>> Mitsubushi. >>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. >> >> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent >> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just >> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit >> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles >> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new >> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish. >> >> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to >> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque >> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0. >> > > Part of the consideration to this conversation should probably be made to > the weight of the vehicles as well. The Unlimited JK weighs a full 1000 > lbs more than my YJ. The weight difference in the two I'm sure is what > really gave the JK a sluggish feel when I drove it and not so much even > the V6. I'm willing to bet that the 3.8V6 can do just as well offroad as > the 2.5L4 has been doing for people in their Jeeps. > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter"
<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote: >A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi. >Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. > yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i remember was in the Sebring two generations past). this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle, good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves. a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html reboot --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 071025-1, 10/25/2007 Tested on: 10/25/2007 8:52:07 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter"
<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote: >A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi. >Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. > yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i remember was in the Sebring two generations past). this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle, good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves. a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html reboot --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 071025-1, 10/25/2007 Tested on: 10/25/2007 8:52:07 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter"
<jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote: >A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi. >Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. > yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i remember was in the Sebring two generations past). this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle, good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves. a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html reboot --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 071025-1, 10/25/2007 Tested on: 10/25/2007 8:52:07 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I didn't see anything my '57 T-Bird couldn't easily drive. Look around
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1193355512.567970.14870@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com... > > Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will > understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit > better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and > the vehicles were used hard. > > http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I didn't see anything my '57 T-Bird couldn't easily drive. Look around
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1193355512.567970.14870@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com... > > Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will > understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit > better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and > the vehicles were used hard. > > http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
I didn't see anything my '57 T-Bird couldn't easily drive. Look around
Jennifer's page for what a Jeep's made for: http://jbjeep.terahex.com/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1193355512.567970.14870@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com... > > Here is the link. It is in Spanish so not everyone here will > understand but the general consensus was that the JK did a bit > better. You will see from the pictures that it was tough terrain and > the vehicles were used hard. > > http://www.jeeperos.com/foros/showth...paracion+TJ+JK > |
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