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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:56:50 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> You just replied to one of the two queers that been attacking me, > sucker. You've got that ass-backwards, Cooyon, just like you carry on in your personal life. You started the attacks on EVERYONE elsewhere. Yeah, it's gotta be those assless chaps. -- "I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups." -- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2) -- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.10.26.17.17.17.889137@trepanation.ca lm... > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:56:50 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > You just replied to one of the two queers that been > > attacking me, sucker. > > You've got that ass-backwards, Cooyon, just like you carry > on in your personal life. > > You started the attacks on EVERYONE elsewhere. > > Yeah, it's gotta be those assless chaps. > No one here believes any of that, sicko. Following a guy to another group, well that's just queer, now isn't it? It's just like following him home. Cheers, Earle |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.10.26.17.17.17.889137@trepanation.ca lm... > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:56:50 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > You just replied to one of the two queers that been > > attacking me, sucker. > > You've got that ass-backwards, Cooyon, just like you carry > on in your personal life. > > You started the attacks on EVERYONE elsewhere. > > Yeah, it's gotta be those assless chaps. > No one here believes any of that, sicko. Following a guy to another group, well that's just queer, now isn't it? It's just like following him home. Cheers, Earle |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.10.26.17.17.17.889137@trepanation.ca lm... > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:56:50 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote: > > > You just replied to one of the two queers that been > > attacking me, sucker. > > You've got that ass-backwards, Cooyon, just like you carry > on in your personal life. > > You started the attacks on EVERYONE elsewhere. > > Yeah, it's gotta be those assless chaps. > No one here believes any of that, sicko. Following a guy to another group, well that's just queer, now isn't it? It's just like following him home. Cheers, Earle |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
Not mine. It climbs my steep driveway at "idol" speed.
"Coasty" <coasty@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:09ydnbkFysFvJrzanZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well, one thing you can release the clutch at idol on the I6 and you just > crawl along. If you do this with a V6 it stalls. > > Coasty > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:Xc8Ui.21997$od4.9082@trnddc04... >> The jury is out, but as a general rule the V6 makes its power at speeds >> well off of idle, but the old I6 makes 80% or 90% of its torque while >> idling. The result is that the old I6 makes for better rock crawling >> because you can select 1st in 4LO and have more than enough power to >> creep (crawl) over stuff. >> >> On the other hand, the V6 makes its power at speed, so it will make for a >> far more pleasant commute -- where engine speeds are high, and thus >> noisey. >> >> I can't say for certain, but the odds favor the new V6 to be a poor >> performer for offroading. Having said that, the old 225 Even Fire (and, >> for that matter the Odd Fire as well) were very desirable engines in the >> olden days. But, when those motors were in production, they were >> essentially V8s with two chopped off of one end. The point being, they >> had a long stroke, which is where torque comes from. A motor with a short >> stroke will produce torque further up on the RPM band, and offroaders >> (rock crawlers) prefer the torque to be very low on the RPM band. It is >> far better to pull a stump at idle than it is to yank it at 3000 RPM. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission >>> and then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional >>> 3.73 axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you >>> might change your mind! >>> >>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >>>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling >>>> up the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 >>>> would do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get >>>> anyplace. >>>> >>>> Probably better on the highway. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> >>>> >>>> Jack Carter wrote: >>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine >>>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for >>>>> a long time. >>> >>> >> > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
Not mine. It climbs my steep driveway at "idol" speed.
"Coasty" <coasty@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:09ydnbkFysFvJrzanZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well, one thing you can release the clutch at idol on the I6 and you just > crawl along. If you do this with a V6 it stalls. > > Coasty > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:Xc8Ui.21997$od4.9082@trnddc04... >> The jury is out, but as a general rule the V6 makes its power at speeds >> well off of idle, but the old I6 makes 80% or 90% of its torque while >> idling. The result is that the old I6 makes for better rock crawling >> because you can select 1st in 4LO and have more than enough power to >> creep (crawl) over stuff. >> >> On the other hand, the V6 makes its power at speed, so it will make for a >> far more pleasant commute -- where engine speeds are high, and thus >> noisey. >> >> I can't say for certain, but the odds favor the new V6 to be a poor >> performer for offroading. Having said that, the old 225 Even Fire (and, >> for that matter the Odd Fire as well) were very desirable engines in the >> olden days. But, when those motors were in production, they were >> essentially V8s with two chopped off of one end. The point being, they >> had a long stroke, which is where torque comes from. A motor with a short >> stroke will produce torque further up on the RPM band, and offroaders >> (rock crawlers) prefer the torque to be very low on the RPM band. It is >> far better to pull a stump at idle than it is to yank it at 3000 RPM. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission >>> and then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional >>> 3.73 axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you >>> might change your mind! >>> >>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >>>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling >>>> up the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 >>>> would do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get >>>> anyplace. >>>> >>>> Probably better on the highway. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> >>>> >>>> Jack Carter wrote: >>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine >>>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for >>>>> a long time. >>> >>> >> > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
Not mine. It climbs my steep driveway at "idol" speed.
"Coasty" <coasty@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:09ydnbkFysFvJrzanZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well, one thing you can release the clutch at idol on the I6 and you just > crawl along. If you do this with a V6 it stalls. > > Coasty > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:Xc8Ui.21997$od4.9082@trnddc04... >> The jury is out, but as a general rule the V6 makes its power at speeds >> well off of idle, but the old I6 makes 80% or 90% of its torque while >> idling. The result is that the old I6 makes for better rock crawling >> because you can select 1st in 4LO and have more than enough power to >> creep (crawl) over stuff. >> >> On the other hand, the V6 makes its power at speed, so it will make for a >> far more pleasant commute -- where engine speeds are high, and thus >> noisey. >> >> I can't say for certain, but the odds favor the new V6 to be a poor >> performer for offroading. Having said that, the old 225 Even Fire (and, >> for that matter the Odd Fire as well) were very desirable engines in the >> olden days. But, when those motors were in production, they were >> essentially V8s with two chopped off of one end. The point being, they >> had a long stroke, which is where torque comes from. A motor with a short >> stroke will produce torque further up on the RPM band, and offroaders >> (rock crawlers) prefer the torque to be very low on the RPM band. It is >> far better to pull a stump at idle than it is to yank it at 3000 RPM. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission >>> and then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional >>> 3.73 axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you >>> might change your mind! >>> >>> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >>>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling >>>> up the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 >>>> would do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get >>>> anyplace. >>>> >>>> Probably better on the highway. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> >>>> >>>> Jack Carter wrote: >>>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine >>>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for >>>>> a long time. >>> >>> >> > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
THANX for the reply and the link to the allpar site.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message news:pqd2i3d6jlk5krehr7bfurh82umeedmjv9@4ax.com... > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter" > <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote: > >>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>Mitsubushi. >>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. >> > > yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact > Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i > remember was in the Sebring two generations past). > > this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is > more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned > for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving > characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle, > good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves. > > a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com > > http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html > > reboot > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 071025-1, 10/25/2007 > Tested on: 10/25/2007 8:52:07 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
THANX for the reply and the link to the allpar site.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message news:pqd2i3d6jlk5krehr7bfurh82umeedmjv9@4ax.com... > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter" > <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote: > >>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>Mitsubushi. >>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. >> > > yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact > Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i > remember was in the Sebring two generations past). > > this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is > more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned > for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving > characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle, > good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves. > > a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com > > http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html > > reboot > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 071025-1, 10/25/2007 > Tested on: 10/25/2007 8:52:07 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > |
Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
THANX for the reply and the link to the allpar site.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message news:pqd2i3d6jlk5krehr7bfurh82umeedmjv9@4ax.com... > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:01 -0500, "Jack Carter" > <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote: > >>A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by >>Mitsubushi. >>Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's >>used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time. >> > > yes it's a mini-van motor but it isn't produced by Mitsu - in fact > Chrysler has run a Mitsu motor in more than a few years (the last i > remember was in the Sebring two generations past). > > this is a 60 degree cast iron block push rod motor and while it is > more free revving and has a higher red line than the 4.0, it is tuned > for low rpm torque. mini-van moms appreciate the same driving > characteristics that jeepers do ... torquey off the line, smooth idle, > good tip in response, not peaky or pipey torque and hp curves. > > a good source or information on JKs is found on Allpar.com > > http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/wrangler.html > > reboot > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 071025-1, 10/25/2007 > Tested on: 10/25/2007 8:52:07 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > |
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