V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling
up the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6
would do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.

Probably better on the highway.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...


Jack Carter wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling
up the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6
would do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.

Probably better on the highway.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...


Jack Carter wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling
up the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6
would do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.

Probably better on the highway.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...


Jack Carter wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might change
your mind!


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>
> Probably better on the highway.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>
>
> Jack Carter wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>> long time.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might change
your mind!


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>
> Probably better on the highway.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>
>
> Jack Carter wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>> long time.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might change
your mind!


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>
> Probably better on the highway.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>
>
> Jack Carter wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>> long time.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.

JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.

Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.

JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.

Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.

JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.

Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.

since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.

since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 7:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by Mitsubushi.
> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.

since you already own the vehicle, why worry about it? Especially if
you just bought it with the lifetime warranty.

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.

Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.

Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.

Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>> Mitsubushi.
>> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
>> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.
>
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque engine
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.

Cheers,

Earle

"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque engine
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.

Cheers,

Earle

"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque engine
with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.

Cheers,

Earle

"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 11:54 am, "Bill Spiliotopoulos" <vsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
> But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
> up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
> driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ,
> '06 TJ.
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
> >> Mitsubushi.
> >> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> >> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> > JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> > dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> > about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> > more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> > to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> > vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> > Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> > the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> > RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 11:54 am, "Bill Spiliotopoulos" <vsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
> But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
> up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
> driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ,
> '06 TJ.
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
> >> Mitsubushi.
> >> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> >> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> > JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> > dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> > about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> > more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> > to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> > vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> > Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> > the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> > RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 11:54 am, "Bill Spiliotopoulos" <vsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have not seen the dyno results you say, maybe if you could post a link.
> But I have to note, that usually dyno results range from around 2000 rpm and
> up. They don't tell you what is going on bellow 2000 rpm, and most of the
> driving is in the 1200 - 2500 rpm range.
>
> Bill Spiliotopoulos,
> '96 XJ,
> '06 TJ.
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193326015.528981.268800@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 9:40 am, "Jack Carter" <jcarter10screws...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
> >> Mitsubushi.
> >> Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine and that it's
> >> used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a long time.
>
> > JP Magazine published a torque and HP curve chart from an independent
> > dyno test showing both the 4.0 and the new 3.8. The curves are just
> > about exactly the same util up high in RPM, then the 3.8 has a bit
> > more torque and hp. I have also read that it takes about 5000 miles
> > to break into this level of performance so in test drives of new
> > vehicles the engine tends to feel sluggish.
>
> > Actually, on paper, the torque curve of the 4.0 is crappy compared to
> > the 258 and even the old L and F head engines in terms of peak torque
> > RPM. However, in practice, jeepers love the 4.0.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

You feel the need to insult my opinion just because you got took and
didn't look under the hood?

I feel sorry for you, but Chrysler 'did' make that special oil additive
'just' for the Mitsubishi smokers so it might last a little while... ;-)

So I have the sand pit wall in mind if you want a test, bring on the
mini van engines!!!

Seriously, it would be fun. I am in the Toronto Canada area and love to
sit at the top taking photos of folks trying to make it.

I'll even post the photo album up.

Mike


Jack Carter wrote:
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might change
> your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

You feel the need to insult my opinion just because you got took and
didn't look under the hood?

I feel sorry for you, but Chrysler 'did' make that special oil additive
'just' for the Mitsubishi smokers so it might last a little while... ;-)

So I have the sand pit wall in mind if you want a test, bring on the
mini van engines!!!

Seriously, it would be fun. I am in the Toronto Canada area and love to
sit at the top taking photos of folks trying to make it.

I'll even post the photo album up.

Mike


Jack Carter wrote:
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might change
> your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

You feel the need to insult my opinion just because you got took and
didn't look under the hood?

I feel sorry for you, but Chrysler 'did' make that special oil additive
'just' for the Mitsubishi smokers so it might last a little while... ;-)

So I have the sand pit wall in mind if you want a test, bring on the
mini van engines!!!

Seriously, it would be fun. I am in the Toronto Canada area and love to
sit at the top taking photos of folks trying to make it.

I'll even post the photo album up.

Mike


Jack Carter wrote:
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might change
> your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Ditto. But I do love spinning tire, just it takes a heck of a lot more
horsepower than that puny V6: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Earle Horton" <123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ffqkcl$del$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque
engine
> with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
> easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle



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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Ditto. But I do love spinning tire, just it takes a heck of a lot more
horsepower than that puny V6: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Earle Horton" <123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ffqkcl$del$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque
engine
> with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
> easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle



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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Ditto. But I do love spinning tire, just it takes a heck of a lot more
horsepower than that puny V6: http://www.----------.com/pismo.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Earle Horton" <123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ffqkcl$del$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Mike is right. There is no substitute for a low-revving, high torque
engine
> with high rotational mass. Simple physics says Mike is right and you are
> easily persuaded by marketing smoke and mirrors.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle



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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

The jury is out, but as a general rule the V6 makes its power at speeds well
off of idle, but the old I6 makes 80% or 90% of its torque while idling. The
result is that the old I6 makes for better rock crawling because you can
select 1st in 4LO and have more than enough power to creep (crawl) over
stuff.

On the other hand, the V6 makes its power at speed, so it will make for a
far more pleasant commute -- where engine speeds are high, and thus noisey.

I can't say for certain, but the odds favor the new V6 to be a poor
performer for offroading. Having said that, the old 225 Even Fire (and, for
that matter the Odd Fire as well) were very desirable engines in the olden
days. But, when those motors were in production, they were essentially V8s
with two chopped off of one end. The point being, they had a long stroke,
which is where torque comes from. A motor with a short stroke will produce
torque further up on the RPM band, and offroaders (rock crawlers) prefer the
torque to be very low on the RPM band. It is far better to pull a stump at
idle than it is to yank it at 3000 RPM.





"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

The jury is out, but as a general rule the V6 makes its power at speeds well
off of idle, but the old I6 makes 80% or 90% of its torque while idling. The
result is that the old I6 makes for better rock crawling because you can
select 1st in 4LO and have more than enough power to creep (crawl) over
stuff.

On the other hand, the V6 makes its power at speed, so it will make for a
far more pleasant commute -- where engine speeds are high, and thus noisey.

I can't say for certain, but the odds favor the new V6 to be a poor
performer for offroading. Having said that, the old 225 Even Fire (and, for
that matter the Odd Fire as well) were very desirable engines in the olden
days. But, when those motors were in production, they were essentially V8s
with two chopped off of one end. The point being, they had a long stroke,
which is where torque comes from. A motor with a short stroke will produce
torque further up on the RPM band, and offroaders (rock crawlers) prefer the
torque to be very low on the RPM band. It is far better to pull a stump at
idle than it is to yank it at 3000 RPM.





"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

The jury is out, but as a general rule the V6 makes its power at speeds well
off of idle, but the old I6 makes 80% or 90% of its torque while idling. The
result is that the old I6 makes for better rock crawling because you can
select 1st in 4LO and have more than enough power to creep (crawl) over
stuff.

On the other hand, the V6 makes its power at speed, so it will make for a
far more pleasant commute -- where engine speeds are high, and thus noisey.

I can't say for certain, but the odds favor the new V6 to be a poor
performer for offroading. Having said that, the old 225 Even Fire (and, for
that matter the Odd Fire as well) were very desirable engines in the olden
days. But, when those motors were in production, they were essentially V8s
with two chopped off of one end. The point being, they had a long stroke,
which is where torque comes from. A motor with a short stroke will produce
torque further up on the RPM band, and offroaders (rock crawlers) prefer the
torque to be very low on the RPM band. It is far better to pull a stump at
idle than it is to yank it at 3000 RPM.





"Jack Carter" <jcarter10screwspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RJmdneI2yLQALb3anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Maybe you should check out the gear ratios in the 6-speed transmission and
> then take one for a test drive - preferably one with the optional 3.73
> axles. If you're open minded - as opposed to empty headed - you might
> change your mind!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4720ad92$0$32392$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, it would appear you now have a mini van engine. No more crawling up
>> the sides of sand pits or over rocks at 400-500 rpm like the old 6 would
>> do. You now need tire spinning, hole digging, rpm to get anyplace.
>>
>> Probably better on the highway.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>
>>
>> Jack Carter wrote:
>>> A friend tells me that the engine in my new Wrangler is made by
>>> Mitsubushi. Is he correct? All I've heard is that it's a "good" engine
>>> and that it's used in most Chrysler-made vans and has been around for a
>>> long time.
>
>

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?
http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...dyno_chart.jpg
I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:
http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html
>





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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?
http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...dyno_chart.jpg
I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:
http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html
>





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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?
http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...dyno_chart.jpg
I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:
http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui.../photo_03.html
>





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Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:06:17 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> but what is this name "Target"

You don't know what a target is?

And you claim to have a CCW? (temporarily, if at all)

Ask a child about 7-years-old what a target is, and they'll explain it to
you in language you'll almost be able to comprehend.

BTW, do you know what a 'barn-door' is? You should since you were whelped
behind one.

[phr gur erthyne ebhgvar]

--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."

-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:06:17 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> but what is this name "Target"

You don't know what a target is?

And you claim to have a CCW? (temporarily, if at all)

Ask a child about 7-years-old what a target is, and they'll explain it to
you in language you'll almost be able to comprehend.

BTW, do you know what a 'barn-door' is? You should since you were whelped
behind one.

[phr gur erthyne ebhgvar]

--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."

-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:06:17 -0700, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> but what is this name "Target"

You don't know what a target is?

And you claim to have a CCW? (temporarily, if at all)

Ask a child about 7-years-old what a target is, and they'll explain it to
you in language you'll almost be able to comprehend.

BTW, do you know what a 'barn-door' is? You should since you were whelped
behind one.

[phr gur erthyne ebhgvar]

--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."

-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 5:06 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
> name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...+2007_jeep_wra...
> I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
> out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
> the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> > the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
> http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui...ep_wrangler_ru...
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally
made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that
some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty
happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ
rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and
the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was
organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the
cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just
from the flexing!

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 5:06 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
> name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...+2007_jeep_wra...
> I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
> out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
> the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> > the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
> http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui...ep_wrangler_ru...
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally
made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that
some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty
happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ
rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and
the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was
organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the
cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just
from the flexing!

Re: V-6 in '08 Wrangler???
 

On Oct 25, 5:06 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the link, but what is this name "Target", that can't be the
> name of their V6, that's compared to the inline six?http://images.jpmagazine.com/project...+2007_jeep_wra...
> I'll bet it's a figment of their imagination, designed for sales purposes,
> out and out lying. I believe I have a much more realist chart as measured by
> the Society of Automotive Engineers, tracing actual points:http://www.----------.com/temp/4LEngineHP-Torque.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193335110.685963.209740@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Some of my facts were off due to bad memory but here is the link to
> > the chart. It actually goes to low RPMs.
>
> http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui...ep_wrangler_ru...
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

It could be lying but supposedly it is a chart that is not generally
made available to the public. Who knows? What I can say is that
some local guys who had Yjs and TJs and then bought JKs are pretty
happy with them. A shootout was organized locally to test the TJ
rubicon and the JK rubicon on the same day, same obstacles, etc and
the JK was declared to be the clear winner. Another shootout was
organized to compare the TJ rubicon with a Toyota FJ cruiser and the
cruiser had to abort because the control arms were getting bent just
from the flexing!