Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
You did not see the word: additive?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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billy ray wrote:
>
> From that link you just provided
>
> ......."In automotive applications, the first qualified synthetic crankcase
> motor oils were based entirely on esters and these products were quite
> successful when properly formulated. Esters have given way to PAOs in this
> application due to PAOs lower cost and their formulating similarities to
> mineral oil. Nevertheless, esters are nearly always used in combination with
> PAOs in full synthetic motor oils in order to balance the effect on seals,
> solubilize additives, reduce volatility, and improve energy efficiency
> through higher lubricity. The percentage of ester used in motor oils can
> vary anywhere from 5 to 25% depending upon the desired properties and the
> type of ester employed."
>
> ..."Summary
>
> Esters are a broad and diverse family of synthetic lubricant basestocks
> which can be custom designed to meet specific physical and performance
> properties. The inherent polarity of esters improves their performance in
> lubrication by reducing volatility, increasing lubricity, providing cleaner
> operation, and making the products biodegradable. The wide range of
> available raw materials allow an ester designer to optimize a product over
> numerous variables in order to maximize the performance and value to the
> client. They may be used alone in very high temperature applications for
> optimum performance, or blended with PAOs or other synthetic basestocks
> where their complementary properties improve the balance of the finished
> lubricant. Esters have been used in synthetic lubricants for more than 50
> years and continue to grow as the drive for efficiency make operating
> environments more severe. Because of the complexity involved in the
> designing, selecting, and blending of an ester basestock, the choice of the
> optimum ester should be left to a qualified ester engineer who can better
> balance the desired properties."
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> From that link you just provided
>
> ......."In automotive applications, the first qualified synthetic crankcase
> motor oils were based entirely on esters and these products were quite
> successful when properly formulated. Esters have given way to PAOs in this
> application due to PAOs lower cost and their formulating similarities to
> mineral oil. Nevertheless, esters are nearly always used in combination with
> PAOs in full synthetic motor oils in order to balance the effect on seals,
> solubilize additives, reduce volatility, and improve energy efficiency
> through higher lubricity. The percentage of ester used in motor oils can
> vary anywhere from 5 to 25% depending upon the desired properties and the
> type of ester employed."
>
> ..."Summary
>
> Esters are a broad and diverse family of synthetic lubricant basestocks
> which can be custom designed to meet specific physical and performance
> properties. The inherent polarity of esters improves their performance in
> lubrication by reducing volatility, increasing lubricity, providing cleaner
> operation, and making the products biodegradable. The wide range of
> available raw materials allow an ester designer to optimize a product over
> numerous variables in order to maximize the performance and value to the
> client. They may be used alone in very high temperature applications for
> optimum performance, or blended with PAOs or other synthetic basestocks
> where their complementary properties improve the balance of the finished
> lubricant. Esters have been used in synthetic lubricants for more than 50
> years and continue to grow as the drive for efficiency make operating
> environments more severe. Because of the complexity involved in the
> designing, selecting, and blending of an ester basestock, the choice of the
> optimum ester should be left to a qualified ester engineer who can better
> balance the desired properties."
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
You did not see the word: additive?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> From that link you just provided
>
> ......."In automotive applications, the first qualified synthetic crankcase
> motor oils were based entirely on esters and these products were quite
> successful when properly formulated. Esters have given way to PAOs in this
> application due to PAOs lower cost and their formulating similarities to
> mineral oil. Nevertheless, esters are nearly always used in combination with
> PAOs in full synthetic motor oils in order to balance the effect on seals,
> solubilize additives, reduce volatility, and improve energy efficiency
> through higher lubricity. The percentage of ester used in motor oils can
> vary anywhere from 5 to 25% depending upon the desired properties and the
> type of ester employed."
>
> ..."Summary
>
> Esters are a broad and diverse family of synthetic lubricant basestocks
> which can be custom designed to meet specific physical and performance
> properties. The inherent polarity of esters improves their performance in
> lubrication by reducing volatility, increasing lubricity, providing cleaner
> operation, and making the products biodegradable. The wide range of
> available raw materials allow an ester designer to optimize a product over
> numerous variables in order to maximize the performance and value to the
> client. They may be used alone in very high temperature applications for
> optimum performance, or blended with PAOs or other synthetic basestocks
> where their complementary properties improve the balance of the finished
> lubricant. Esters have been used in synthetic lubricants for more than 50
> years and continue to grow as the drive for efficiency make operating
> environments more severe. Because of the complexity involved in the
> designing, selecting, and blending of an ester basestock, the choice of the
> optimum ester should be left to a qualified ester engineer who can better
> balance the desired properties."
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> From that link you just provided
>
> ......."In automotive applications, the first qualified synthetic crankcase
> motor oils were based entirely on esters and these products were quite
> successful when properly formulated. Esters have given way to PAOs in this
> application due to PAOs lower cost and their formulating similarities to
> mineral oil. Nevertheless, esters are nearly always used in combination with
> PAOs in full synthetic motor oils in order to balance the effect on seals,
> solubilize additives, reduce volatility, and improve energy efficiency
> through higher lubricity. The percentage of ester used in motor oils can
> vary anywhere from 5 to 25% depending upon the desired properties and the
> type of ester employed."
>
> ..."Summary
>
> Esters are a broad and diverse family of synthetic lubricant basestocks
> which can be custom designed to meet specific physical and performance
> properties. The inherent polarity of esters improves their performance in
> lubrication by reducing volatility, increasing lubricity, providing cleaner
> operation, and making the products biodegradable. The wide range of
> available raw materials allow an ester designer to optimize a product over
> numerous variables in order to maximize the performance and value to the
> client. They may be used alone in very high temperature applications for
> optimum performance, or blended with PAOs or other synthetic basestocks
> where their complementary properties improve the balance of the finished
> lubricant. Esters have been used in synthetic lubricants for more than 50
> years and continue to grow as the drive for efficiency make operating
> environments more severe. Because of the complexity involved in the
> designing, selecting, and blending of an ester basestock, the choice of the
> optimum ester should be left to a qualified ester engineer who can better
> balance the desired properties."
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
You did not see the word: additive?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> From that link you just provided
>
> ......."In automotive applications, the first qualified synthetic crankcase
> motor oils were based entirely on esters and these products were quite
> successful when properly formulated. Esters have given way to PAOs in this
> application due to PAOs lower cost and their formulating similarities to
> mineral oil. Nevertheless, esters are nearly always used in combination with
> PAOs in full synthetic motor oils in order to balance the effect on seals,
> solubilize additives, reduce volatility, and improve energy efficiency
> through higher lubricity. The percentage of ester used in motor oils can
> vary anywhere from 5 to 25% depending upon the desired properties and the
> type of ester employed."
>
> ..."Summary
>
> Esters are a broad and diverse family of synthetic lubricant basestocks
> which can be custom designed to meet specific physical and performance
> properties. The inherent polarity of esters improves their performance in
> lubrication by reducing volatility, increasing lubricity, providing cleaner
> operation, and making the products biodegradable. The wide range of
> available raw materials allow an ester designer to optimize a product over
> numerous variables in order to maximize the performance and value to the
> client. They may be used alone in very high temperature applications for
> optimum performance, or blended with PAOs or other synthetic basestocks
> where their complementary properties improve the balance of the finished
> lubricant. Esters have been used in synthetic lubricants for more than 50
> years and continue to grow as the drive for efficiency make operating
> environments more severe. Because of the complexity involved in the
> designing, selecting, and blending of an ester basestock, the choice of the
> optimum ester should be left to a qualified ester engineer who can better
> balance the desired properties."
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> From that link you just provided
>
> ......."In automotive applications, the first qualified synthetic crankcase
> motor oils were based entirely on esters and these products were quite
> successful when properly formulated. Esters have given way to PAOs in this
> application due to PAOs lower cost and their formulating similarities to
> mineral oil. Nevertheless, esters are nearly always used in combination with
> PAOs in full synthetic motor oils in order to balance the effect on seals,
> solubilize additives, reduce volatility, and improve energy efficiency
> through higher lubricity. The percentage of ester used in motor oils can
> vary anywhere from 5 to 25% depending upon the desired properties and the
> type of ester employed."
>
> ..."Summary
>
> Esters are a broad and diverse family of synthetic lubricant basestocks
> which can be custom designed to meet specific physical and performance
> properties. The inherent polarity of esters improves their performance in
> lubrication by reducing volatility, increasing lubricity, providing cleaner
> operation, and making the products biodegradable. The wide range of
> available raw materials allow an ester designer to optimize a product over
> numerous variables in order to maximize the performance and value to the
> client. They may be used alone in very high temperature applications for
> optimum performance, or blended with PAOs or other synthetic basestocks
> where their complementary properties improve the balance of the finished
> lubricant. Esters have been used in synthetic lubricants for more than 50
> years and continue to grow as the drive for efficiency make operating
> environments more severe. Because of the complexity involved in the
> designing, selecting, and blending of an ester basestock, the choice of the
> optimum ester should be left to a qualified ester engineer who can better
> balance the desired properties."
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
"Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I'll bet you don't get to the fifth oil change. Specially if it's
> the too.. dirty for California pancake.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JeepGuyMike wrote:
>>
>> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
>> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
>> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
>> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
>> paying that much for an oil change.
reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449F1F99.BC5C735B@***.net...
> I'll bet you don't get to the fifth oil change. Specially if it's
> the too.. dirty for California pancake.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JeepGuyMike wrote:
>>
>> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
>> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
>> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
>> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
>> paying that much for an oil change.
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
"Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449F1F99.BC5C735B@***.net...
> I'll bet you don't get to the fifth oil change. Specially if it's
> the too.. dirty for California pancake.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JeepGuyMike wrote:
>>
>> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
>> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
>> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
>> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
>> paying that much for an oil change.
reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449F1F99.BC5C735B@***.net...
> I'll bet you don't get to the fifth oil change. Specially if it's
> the too.. dirty for California pancake.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JeepGuyMike wrote:
>>
>> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
>> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
>> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
>> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
>> paying that much for an oil change.
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
"Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449F1F99.BC5C735B@***.net...
> I'll bet you don't get to the fifth oil change. Specially if it's
> the too.. dirty for California pancake.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JeepGuyMike wrote:
>>
>> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
>> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
>> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
>> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
>> paying that much for an oil change.
reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449F1F99.BC5C735B@***.net...
> I'll bet you don't get to the fifth oil change. Specially if it's
> the too.. dirty for California pancake.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JeepGuyMike wrote:
>>
>> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
>> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
>> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
>> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
>> paying that much for an oil change.
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Yes, why don't you burn bio-diesel, too. I'd like to see how long
your engine will last.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> "Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
> reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
> petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
> nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
> Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
> immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
> bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
> losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
your engine will last.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> "Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
> reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
> petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
> nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
> Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
> immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
> bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
> losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Yes, why don't you burn bio-diesel, too. I'd like to see how long
your engine will last.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> "Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
> reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
> petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
> nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
> Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
> immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
> bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
> losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
your engine will last.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> "Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
> reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
> petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
> nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
> Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
> immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
> bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
> losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
Guest
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Yes, why don't you burn bio-diesel, too. I'd like to see how long
your engine will last.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> "Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
> reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
> petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
> nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
> Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
> immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
> bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
> losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
your engine will last.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> "Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils also show very significant
> reductions in tailpipe exhaust emissions (Fig. 6). In a petroleum to
> petroleum cycle (Pet-pet), hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and
> nitrous oxides (NOx) all show increases over the 6,500 km test period.
> Conversion from petroleum to a bio-based motor oil (pet-can) has an
> immediate and dramatic decrease in exhaust emissions. Continued use of the
> bio-oil continued to decrease HC production while giving no additional
> losses to the already depressed CO and NOx production."
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
It'll never see the light of day, the petroleum lobby will make sure it's
made illegal.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Canola oil: a rape plant of an improved variety having seeds that
> are low in erucic acid and are the source of canola oil. Yes, you found
> a bio-based oil. Now will the grant sucking, bleed heart liberal wackos
> find someone that will buy it and at what subsidies will the tax payer,
> have to pay?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> The first hit from that search sequence:
>>
>> Canola-based Motor Oils ... (a chemical restructuring of the base
>> molecule
>> at high temperatures in ... Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils
>> also show very significant ...
>> www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-029.html - 24k - Cached -
>> Similar pages
made illegal.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449F2E52.264ABCD@***.net...
> Canola oil: a rape plant of an improved variety having seeds that
> are low in erucic acid and are the source of canola oil. Yes, you found
> a bio-based oil. Now will the grant sucking, bleed heart liberal wackos
> find someone that will buy it and at what subsidies will the tax payer,
> have to pay?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> The first hit from that search sequence:
>>
>> Canola-based Motor Oils ... (a chemical restructuring of the base
>> molecule
>> at high temperatures in ... Oil changes from petroleum to bio-based oils
>> also show very significant ...
>> www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-029.html - 24k - Cached -
>> Similar pages
