Thanks Steve. I'll reply to your comments in the body:


"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
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>
> I drive similar terrain here in NS Canada on 33x10.50R15 BFG MTs. Work
> very well. No complaints.
>

Great to know.

>
> First, I think you meant 33x11.50R15. Can't speak to the TJ, but with my
> XJ, narrower tires let me get away with less lift. On stock wheels
> though, you may find the tires rub on the inside wall of the wheel wells
> when flexing. You will certainly have a reduced turning radius on road
> or off due to rubbing on the lower control arms. Neither issue is likely
> a show stopper. If you do try it, be sure the tires won't catch up on
> any flares or exterior sheet metal. Maybe you could install some coil
> spacers as a stop gap before you get your lift kit.
>

I did call the guy today and yes I got it wrong, he is running 32x11.50R15.
I also asked him about rubbing and he said "no rubbing". Although coil
spacer option does look tempting. I think 10mm OME spacer is about NZ$12
each here. Fitting should not be a big problem.

>
> Likely intolerable with an auto trans. Nine months will seem like an
> eternity, but you may be able to tough it out.
>

Well, its taken me about 9 months to come to the point of changing tyres,
as I wanted to learn what I could do with stock TJ first, I think I can
control myself for another 9.

>
> With my BFG 33s (actual 32.8"), 4.10s and a 34 tooth gear, my speedo
> clocks about 1 km/h faster than my GPS at 100 km/h. Pretty darn close.
>

Thanks.

>
> When I did my daily driver XJ last year, I too was in a twist over all
> this stuff. I ended up doing lift, tires, and gears all in one pop. I
> cheaped out on gears and got used D30/35 4.10s from one of the many
> junked 4-cyls available locally. That got me up and running and I can
> now take my time with wheels, bumpers, skids, lockers, winch, etc. I've
> since built up a rear D44 with a Rubi air locker for little cash and no
> time pressure.
>

That is what the plan was and I had started saving, but then things don't
always go per the plan. I was thinking, I need bigger tyres for better
ground clearance, higher suspension to accommodate bigger tyres, then
regearing. It will take about 12 months for all to happen. Unfortunately,
Jeeps are a novelty here so not many junkyards with old junked Jeeps here.
Would gears from a 94/95 Cherokee fit a TJ D30/44? These Cherokees are
coming here used from Japan in droves. I should be able to find some
junked ones with better gearing.

Thanks
TW

 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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> BFG don't do a 32 x 10.5 - its a 32 x 11.5. If they are running stock
> suspension with no rubbing, I think you are mistaken and they are in fact
> running 31 x 10.5
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

I called the guy up again today and I was mistaken about the width, he is
running 32x11.50R15 on a stock suspension. It has been puzzling me for
about two months now, but I have seen it with my own eyes on our runs and
there is no rubbing. Last run had a lot of axle twisting and flexing
stuff. This is what gave me the idea of doing the tyres first and then a
little later upgrading the suspension. My logic was, if they are doing it,
I should be able to get away with for a while. Tyres are on a special now
and prices normally go up here in June every year.

Thanks
TW

 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
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> BFG don't do a 32 x 10.5 - its a 32 x 11.5. If they are running stock
> suspension with no rubbing, I think you are mistaken and they are in fact
> running 31 x 10.5
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

I called the guy up again today and I was mistaken about the width, he is
running 32x11.50R15 on a stock suspension. It has been puzzling me for
about two months now, but I have seen it with my own eyes on our runs and
there is no rubbing. Last run had a lot of axle twisting and flexing
stuff. This is what gave me the idea of doing the tyres first and then a
little later upgrading the suspension. My logic was, if they are doing it,
I should be able to get away with for a while. Tyres are on a special now
and prices normally go up here in June every year.

Thanks
TW

 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:ODwqc.3972$AH2.36878380@news-text.cableinet.net...
> BFG don't do a 32 x 10.5 - its a 32 x 11.5. If they are running stock
> suspension with no rubbing, I think you are mistaken and they are in fact
> running 31 x 10.5
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

I called the guy up again today and I was mistaken about the width, he is
running 32x11.50R15 on a stock suspension. It has been puzzling me for
about two months now, but I have seen it with my own eyes on our runs and
there is no rubbing. Last run had a lot of axle twisting and flexing
stuff. This is what gave me the idea of doing the tyres first and then a
little later upgrading the suspension. My logic was, if they are doing it,
I should be able to get away with for a while. Tyres are on a special now
and prices normally go up here in June every year.

Thanks
TW

 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:ODwqc.3972$AH2.36878380@news-text.cableinet.net...
> BFG don't do a 32 x 10.5 - its a 32 x 11.5. If they are running stock
> suspension with no rubbing, I think you are mistaken and they are in fact
> running 31 x 10.5
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

I called the guy up again today and I was mistaken about the width, he is
running 32x11.50R15 on a stock suspension. It has been puzzling me for
about two months now, but I have seen it with my own eyes on our runs and
there is no rubbing. Last run had a lot of axle twisting and flexing
stuff. This is what gave me the idea of doing the tyres first and then a
little later upgrading the suspension. My logic was, if they are doing it,
I should be able to get away with for a while. Tyres are on a special now
and prices normally go up here in June every year.

Thanks
TW

 

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Well, the Mud Terrains are the way to go. I was going to suggest you
> consider the All Terrains, they actually are a better all around tire for
> dry conditions, but you said the conditions at your house are seldom dry,
so
> the MTs will work better. The ATs fill with mud whereas the MTs will
clean
> themselves, theoretically.
>

I have ATs currently, but they are not cutting it anymore.

>
> I think the max you can put under a TJ without lift is a 31. I think that
> the size that will work best for you will be a 32, max. I know several
guys
> with larger tires than I have (I have the BFG Mud Terrain in a 32 x
11.50) -
> BTW, can you get tires in the "inch sizes", 32 x 11.50, 31 x 10.50,
etc.? -
> and they can't do much more than I can do.
>

Inch sizes (or floatation sizes) are only in 15 inch rim sizes. All 16
inch rim sizes are metric. I have a lot more options in finding a
combination of width and height in metric in NZ for some reason. What do
you think of running 265/75R16. They will be 32 inch equivalents. I don't
want to go too wide because in NZ we have to keep all the tyre tread within
the fenders/flares. With wider tyres, I will have to change the flares to
stay street legal. I think with stock wheels and 265mm width, I should be
wihtin the fender flares.

>
> You are going to run into gearing issues soon no matter which size you
> choose, but since you have the automatic trans, you might not notice. All
> things considered, gearing and lack of lift, I think you will be best
with
> the 31" tire options. You can put any available width (in a 31, and most
> widths in a 32) on the standard rims.
>
>

How about 10 or 20mm coils spacers all around and then running 32 inch
tyres? I am sure the old springs are now starting to sag a little bit too.
The only thing is, I don't want to go to 31 inch tyres now and then wanting
to go to 32/33 after the lift within next few months. At the moment, tyres
are on special and I can get any size BFG Muds at the same price, cool. If
I can get away with 32 or 33 now for 2/3 months, I can get the lift and
complete the set-up (or so the saying goes...... ...)

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate it very much.
TW

 

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ale2chnj2ns70@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Well, the Mud Terrains are the way to go. I was going to suggest you
> consider the All Terrains, they actually are a better all around tire for
> dry conditions, but you said the conditions at your house are seldom dry,
so
> the MTs will work better. The ATs fill with mud whereas the MTs will
clean
> themselves, theoretically.
>

I have ATs currently, but they are not cutting it anymore.

>
> I think the max you can put under a TJ without lift is a 31. I think that
> the size that will work best for you will be a 32, max. I know several
guys
> with larger tires than I have (I have the BFG Mud Terrain in a 32 x
11.50) -
> BTW, can you get tires in the "inch sizes", 32 x 11.50, 31 x 10.50,
etc.? -
> and they can't do much more than I can do.
>

Inch sizes (or floatation sizes) are only in 15 inch rim sizes. All 16
inch rim sizes are metric. I have a lot more options in finding a
combination of width and height in metric in NZ for some reason. What do
you think of running 265/75R16. They will be 32 inch equivalents. I don't
want to go too wide because in NZ we have to keep all the tyre tread within
the fenders/flares. With wider tyres, I will have to change the flares to
stay street legal. I think with stock wheels and 265mm width, I should be
wihtin the fender flares.

>
> You are going to run into gearing issues soon no matter which size you
> choose, but since you have the automatic trans, you might not notice. All
> things considered, gearing and lack of lift, I think you will be best
with
> the 31" tire options. You can put any available width (in a 31, and most
> widths in a 32) on the standard rims.
>
>

How about 10 or 20mm coils spacers all around and then running 32 inch
tyres? I am sure the old springs are now starting to sag a little bit too.
The only thing is, I don't want to go to 31 inch tyres now and then wanting
to go to 32/33 after the lift within next few months. At the moment, tyres
are on special and I can get any size BFG Muds at the same price, cool. If
I can get away with 32 or 33 now for 2/3 months, I can get the lift and
complete the set-up (or so the saying goes...... ...)

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate it very much.
TW

 

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ale2chnj2ns70@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Well, the Mud Terrains are the way to go. I was going to suggest you
> consider the All Terrains, they actually are a better all around tire for
> dry conditions, but you said the conditions at your house are seldom dry,
so
> the MTs will work better. The ATs fill with mud whereas the MTs will
clean
> themselves, theoretically.
>

I have ATs currently, but they are not cutting it anymore.

>
> I think the max you can put under a TJ without lift is a 31. I think that
> the size that will work best for you will be a 32, max. I know several
guys
> with larger tires than I have (I have the BFG Mud Terrain in a 32 x
11.50) -
> BTW, can you get tires in the "inch sizes", 32 x 11.50, 31 x 10.50,
etc.? -
> and they can't do much more than I can do.
>

Inch sizes (or floatation sizes) are only in 15 inch rim sizes. All 16
inch rim sizes are metric. I have a lot more options in finding a
combination of width and height in metric in NZ for some reason. What do
you think of running 265/75R16. They will be 32 inch equivalents. I don't
want to go too wide because in NZ we have to keep all the tyre tread within
the fenders/flares. With wider tyres, I will have to change the flares to
stay street legal. I think with stock wheels and 265mm width, I should be
wihtin the fender flares.

>
> You are going to run into gearing issues soon no matter which size you
> choose, but since you have the automatic trans, you might not notice. All
> things considered, gearing and lack of lift, I think you will be best
with
> the 31" tire options. You can put any available width (in a 31, and most
> widths in a 32) on the standard rims.
>
>

How about 10 or 20mm coils spacers all around and then running 32 inch
tyres? I am sure the old springs are now starting to sag a little bit too.
The only thing is, I don't want to go to 31 inch tyres now and then wanting
to go to 32/33 after the lift within next few months. At the moment, tyres
are on special and I can get any size BFG Muds at the same price, cool. If
I can get away with 32 or 33 now for 2/3 months, I can get the lift and
complete the set-up (or so the saying goes...... ...)

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate it very much.
TW

 

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ale2chnj2ns70@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Well, the Mud Terrains are the way to go. I was going to suggest you
> consider the All Terrains, they actually are a better all around tire for
> dry conditions, but you said the conditions at your house are seldom dry,
so
> the MTs will work better. The ATs fill with mud whereas the MTs will
clean
> themselves, theoretically.
>

I have ATs currently, but they are not cutting it anymore.

>
> I think the max you can put under a TJ without lift is a 31. I think that
> the size that will work best for you will be a 32, max. I know several
guys
> with larger tires than I have (I have the BFG Mud Terrain in a 32 x
11.50) -
> BTW, can you get tires in the "inch sizes", 32 x 11.50, 31 x 10.50,
etc.? -
> and they can't do much more than I can do.
>

Inch sizes (or floatation sizes) are only in 15 inch rim sizes. All 16
inch rim sizes are metric. I have a lot more options in finding a
combination of width and height in metric in NZ for some reason. What do
you think of running 265/75R16. They will be 32 inch equivalents. I don't
want to go too wide because in NZ we have to keep all the tyre tread within
the fenders/flares. With wider tyres, I will have to change the flares to
stay street legal. I think with stock wheels and 265mm width, I should be
wihtin the fender flares.

>
> You are going to run into gearing issues soon no matter which size you
> choose, but since you have the automatic trans, you might not notice. All
> things considered, gearing and lack of lift, I think you will be best
with
> the 31" tire options. You can put any available width (in a 31, and most
> widths in a 32) on the standard rims.
>
>

How about 10 or 20mm coils spacers all around and then running 32 inch
tyres? I am sure the old springs are now starting to sag a little bit too.
The only thing is, I don't want to go to 31 inch tyres now and then wanting
to go to 32/33 after the lift within next few months. At the moment, tyres
are on special and I can get any size BFG Muds at the same price, cool. If
I can get away with 32 or 33 now for 2/3 months, I can get the lift and
complete the set-up (or so the saying goes...... ...)

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate it very much.
TW

 

"Jim Bratton" <jbratton1@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:sWyqc.46841$V_.1907036@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> I have 32/11.5" in Goodyear MT/Rs on my '02 Wrangler Sahara 8 inch Mickey
> Thomson wheels and they are top quality tires... I advise rotating them
VERY
> often ... I failed to do so and so they have not worn nearly as well if I
> had been more attentive.Also make sure your inflation is consistant like
any
> tire.
>
> -Jim
>
>

Have you had experience with BFG Muds? If yes, how would the two tyres
compare? I have read a lot of good reviews about the MT/Rs, but have not
seen them here on any truck, let alone a TJ.

TW