rick

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>wheeling." I run a
> small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
> fields are
> just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
> in my field
> cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
> around in
> unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> leave only to
> catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> (very small)
> percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the
> category as
> a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
> property, I
> can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>
> Ed
==========================
Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call it
a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field instead
of just bean field)
Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage crops
around here, you're going to pay for them.




>
>

rick

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>wheeling." I run a
> small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
> fields are
> just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
> in my field
> cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
> around in
> unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> leave only to
> catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> (very small)
> percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the
> category as
> a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
> property, I
> can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>
> Ed
==========================
Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call it
a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field instead
of just bean field)
Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage crops
around here, you're going to pay for them.




>
>

DougW

R. Lander did pass the time by typing:
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.

Excuse me, but I would love to point out the "respect" for nature
left by non-off-road enthusiasts. The trash that litters the road,
the bottles and cans left all over the park and lakeshore, the piles
of tires and shingles dumped along river access roads by builders
that don't want to pay the $20 to use the city landfill, the drivers
that mindlessly fick cigarette butts out the window, the folks that
leave full baby diapers in the mall parking lot. The empty candy bar
wrappers I have to pick up that were dropped by kids walking to school
every day. Shall I continue?

I doubt very much these "anthropocentric mouth-breathers", as you put
it, are anything more than teenage kids whose parents have failed
miserably to educate them in the proper respect for property that
is not theirs. You can't fix a lack of proper parenting with Ritalin.

> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of off-road litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.

Now hold on a bit. I have that conquer-nature mentality and never
break new trails. Point of fact most of my "conquering of nature"
involves my own two feet and marked trails. The Jeep is just to get
to the trailhead. I also doubt you will find _any_ readers of ra4,
rb, or ramjw that leave any trash behind and quite a few that cart
out what they can even if it isn't theirs.

Furthermore I (along with others and not just enviros or 4WD folk)
actually work to pick up the garbage left by folks dumping their
trash on public and private lands.

There were locations around here specifically for folks to "whoop it up".
At the lake there was actually several but in order to maintain water
quality they had to re-sod and shut down one of them. (I helped
plant sod there). The area was fenced but a bunch of ******** tore
down the fence and tore up the sod. Now all the recreation area was
shut down and concrete caissons put in to block the road. Now we have
a private area (private land) where control can be maintained and the
litter is now a non-issue.

--
DougW

DougW

R. Lander did pass the time by typing:
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.

Excuse me, but I would love to point out the "respect" for nature
left by non-off-road enthusiasts. The trash that litters the road,
the bottles and cans left all over the park and lakeshore, the piles
of tires and shingles dumped along river access roads by builders
that don't want to pay the $20 to use the city landfill, the drivers
that mindlessly fick cigarette butts out the window, the folks that
leave full baby diapers in the mall parking lot. The empty candy bar
wrappers I have to pick up that were dropped by kids walking to school
every day. Shall I continue?

I doubt very much these "anthropocentric mouth-breathers", as you put
it, are anything more than teenage kids whose parents have failed
miserably to educate them in the proper respect for property that
is not theirs. You can't fix a lack of proper parenting with Ritalin.

> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of off-road litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.

Now hold on a bit. I have that conquer-nature mentality and never
break new trails. Point of fact most of my "conquering of nature"
involves my own two feet and marked trails. The Jeep is just to get
to the trailhead. I also doubt you will find _any_ readers of ra4,
rb, or ramjw that leave any trash behind and quite a few that cart
out what they can even if it isn't theirs.

Furthermore I (along with others and not just enviros or 4WD folk)
actually work to pick up the garbage left by folks dumping their
trash on public and private lands.

There were locations around here specifically for folks to "whoop it up".
At the lake there was actually several but in order to maintain water
quality they had to re-sod and shut down one of them. (I helped
plant sod there). The area was fenced but a bunch of ******** tore
down the fence and tore up the sod. Now all the recreation area was
shut down and concrete caissons put in to block the road. Now we have
a private area (private land) where control can be maintained and the
litter is now a non-issue.

--
DougW

DougW

R. Lander did pass the time by typing:
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.

Excuse me, but I would love to point out the "respect" for nature
left by non-off-road enthusiasts. The trash that litters the road,
the bottles and cans left all over the park and lakeshore, the piles
of tires and shingles dumped along river access roads by builders
that don't want to pay the $20 to use the city landfill, the drivers
that mindlessly fick cigarette butts out the window, the folks that
leave full baby diapers in the mall parking lot. The empty candy bar
wrappers I have to pick up that were dropped by kids walking to school
every day. Shall I continue?

I doubt very much these "anthropocentric mouth-breathers", as you put
it, are anything more than teenage kids whose parents have failed
miserably to educate them in the proper respect for property that
is not theirs. You can't fix a lack of proper parenting with Ritalin.

> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of off-road litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.

Now hold on a bit. I have that conquer-nature mentality and never
break new trails. Point of fact most of my "conquering of nature"
involves my own two feet and marked trails. The Jeep is just to get
to the trailhead. I also doubt you will find _any_ readers of ra4,
rb, or ramjw that leave any trash behind and quite a few that cart
out what they can even if it isn't theirs.

Furthermore I (along with others and not just enviros or 4WD folk)
actually work to pick up the garbage left by folks dumping their
trash on public and private lands.

There were locations around here specifically for folks to "whoop it up".
At the lake there was actually several but in order to maintain water
quality they had to re-sod and shut down one of them. (I helped
plant sod there). The area was fenced but a bunch of ******** tore
down the fence and tore up the sod. Now all the recreation area was
shut down and concrete caissons put in to block the road. Now we have
a private area (private land) where control can be maintained and the
litter is now a non-issue.

--
DougW

Jerry Bransford

I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY pissed if offroaders were
screwing up my plowed fields that I use to earn my living with. But as
an active offroader, I wheel with and know no one that would do such a
thing. Although ANY sport has its jerks, offroaders today are very
respectful of private property and other areas that are off-limits to
offroading. "Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most offroaders.
Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they do what they please
without regards to others.

And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "-----" because he got
pissed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated fields. I'd bet
big money if someone came onto any of your property that was cultivated
and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.

rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>
>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>wheeling." I run a
>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
>>fields are
>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
>>in my field
>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
>>around in
>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>leave only to
>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>(very small)
>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the
>>category as
>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
>>property, I
>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>
>>Ed
>
> ==========================
> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call it
> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field instead
> of just bean field)
> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage crops
> around here, you're going to pay for them.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY pissed if offroaders were
screwing up my plowed fields that I use to earn my living with. But as
an active offroader, I wheel with and know no one that would do such a
thing. Although ANY sport has its jerks, offroaders today are very
respectful of private property and other areas that are off-limits to
offroading. "Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most offroaders.
Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they do what they please
without regards to others.

And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "-----" because he got
pissed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated fields. I'd bet
big money if someone came onto any of your property that was cultivated
and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.

rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>
>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>wheeling." I run a
>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
>>fields are
>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
>>in my field
>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
>>around in
>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>leave only to
>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>(very small)
>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the
>>category as
>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
>>property, I
>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>
>>Ed
>
> ==========================
> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call it
> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field instead
> of just bean field)
> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage crops
> around here, you're going to pay for them.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY pissed if offroaders were
screwing up my plowed fields that I use to earn my living with. But as
an active offroader, I wheel with and know no one that would do such a
thing. Although ANY sport has its jerks, offroaders today are very
respectful of private property and other areas that are off-limits to
offroading. "Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most offroaders.
Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they do what they please
without regards to others.

And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "-----" because he got
pissed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated fields. I'd bet
big money if someone came onto any of your property that was cultivated
and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.

rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>
>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>wheeling." I run a
>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
>>fields are
>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
>>in my field
>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
>>around in
>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>leave only to
>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>(very small)
>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the
>>category as
>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
>>property, I
>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>
>>Ed
>
> ==========================
> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call it
> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field instead
> of just bean field)
> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage crops
> around here, you're going to pay for them.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

billy ray

You may have something there.

If the liberals and Demoncrats could keep their pants zipped the population
would drop severely and decent people might again populate the earth.



"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149184562.833916.202840@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Steve Foley wrote:
>
>> It seems like you're saying that all of the land will eventually be
>> bulldozed, but until that happens, you want it 'preserved' for your
>> personal
>> enjoyment.
>
> Of course we can never pave all the land, but it shouldn't need
> constant protection from growth unless it's lucky enough to be saved as
> a park. The idea that more land must to be used all the time is
> illogical. We should lower our birthrates instead of living like cattle
> always trying to break down fences for a bigger range.
>
> Instead of making it about hikers vs. Jeepers, we need to stop pitting
> Man against nature, period. It's a philosophical thing, not a Jeep
> thing. Noise and wilderness don't mix. You can raise a ruckus in town
> or test your 4WD capabilities on a local dirt plot. We are running out
> of places where the true appeal of nature can be experienced. Nature
> is, in many ways, the absence of mechanical noise. When I hear a
> powerboat on a lake or an engine in the woods, I wonder why I traveled
> that far just to be reminded of the blasted city.
>
> R. Lander
>

billy ray

You may have something there.

If the liberals and Demoncrats could keep their pants zipped the population
would drop severely and decent people might again populate the earth.



"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149184562.833916.202840@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Steve Foley wrote:
>
>> It seems like you're saying that all of the land will eventually be
>> bulldozed, but until that happens, you want it 'preserved' for your
>> personal
>> enjoyment.
>
> Of course we can never pave all the land, but it shouldn't need
> constant protection from growth unless it's lucky enough to be saved as
> a park. The idea that more land must to be used all the time is
> illogical. We should lower our birthrates instead of living like cattle
> always trying to break down fences for a bigger range.
>
> Instead of making it about hikers vs. Jeepers, we need to stop pitting
> Man against nature, period. It's a philosophical thing, not a Jeep
> thing. Noise and wilderness don't mix. You can raise a ruckus in town
> or test your 4WD capabilities on a local dirt plot. We are running out
> of places where the true appeal of nature can be experienced. Nature
> is, in many ways, the absence of mechanical noise. When I hear a
> powerboat on a lake or an engine in the woods, I wonder why I traveled
> that far just to be reminded of the blasted city.
>
> R. Lander
>