Steve Foley

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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> I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling."

According to your statement, you "have a lot of dislike" for me, yet you've
never met me. You base this opinion on your experience with trespassers.

Steve Foley

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling."

According to your statement, you "have a lot of dislike" for me, yet you've
never met me. You base this opinion on your experience with trespassers.

billy ray

Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.

Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
other than politely ask them to leave.

I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on any
that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be compensated
and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.

Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...


"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149181356.441456.148000@h76g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> C. E. White wrote:
>
>> I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>> small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>> just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my
>> field
>> cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride around in
>> unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to leave only
>> to
>> catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>> percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category
>> as
>> a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>> can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>
> Thanks for telling it like is really is. "Tread lightly" is a big joke
> for many of them.
>
> R. Lander
>

billy ray

Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.

Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
other than politely ask them to leave.

I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on any
that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be compensated
and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.

Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...


"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149181356.441456.148000@h76g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> C. E. White wrote:
>
>> I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>> small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>> just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my
>> field
>> cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride around in
>> unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to leave only
>> to
>> catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>> percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category
>> as
>> a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>> can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>
> Thanks for telling it like is really is. "Tread lightly" is a big joke
> for many of them.
>
> R. Lander
>

billy ray

Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.

Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
other than politely ask them to leave.

I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on any
that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be compensated
and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.

Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...


"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149181356.441456.148000@h76g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> C. E. White wrote:
>
>> I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>> small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>> just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my
>> field
>> cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride around in
>> unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to leave only
>> to
>> catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>> percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category
>> as
>> a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>> can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>
> Thanks for telling it like is really is. "Tread lightly" is a big joke
> for many of them.
>
> R. Lander
>

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It was on Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:28:17 -0700, another Dirty Dusty Delta day, when R. Lander coughed up:

> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander

Thanks for your excellent post; sadly, few here are going to accept it,
regardless, and will argue facts with attitude and opinion.

Please keep it up until the flames overcome you.

If just /one/ person learns from your factual statements, you've succeeded.


SW
resident persona non grata
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--
There is nothing so agonizing to the fine skin of vanity as the application
of a rough truth.

-Edward Bulwer-Lytton, writer (1803-1873)

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It was on Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:28:17 -0700, another Dirty Dusty Delta day, when R. Lander coughed up:

> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander

Thanks for your excellent post; sadly, few here are going to accept it,
regardless, and will argue facts with attitude and opinion.

Please keep it up until the flames overcome you.

If just /one/ person learns from your factual statements, you've succeeded.


SW
resident persona non grata
```````````````````````````````````




--
There is nothing so agonizing to the fine skin of vanity as the application
of a rough truth.

-Edward Bulwer-Lytton, writer (1803-1873)

=?UTF-8?b?wqdxxa9AcjMgV2gzM8Kjcw==?=

It was on Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:28:17 -0700, another Dirty Dusty Delta day, when R. Lander coughed up:

> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander

Thanks for your excellent post; sadly, few here are going to accept it,
regardless, and will argue facts with attitude and opinion.

Please keep it up until the flames overcome you.

If just /one/ person learns from your factual statements, you've succeeded.


SW
resident persona non grata
```````````````````````````````````




--
There is nothing so agonizing to the fine skin of vanity as the application
of a rough truth.

-Edward Bulwer-Lytton, writer (1803-1873)

Jim Smith

That's only in his little part of the world. I wonder how many people he
has caught in his fields? Maybe 10-12 people. That's not even 1 thousands
of 1 per cent of all offroaders. I do feel for his pain. I wouldn't want
anyone destroying my property, but to state that he "dislikes fourwheelers",
is a very biased opinion. What about the clubs that spend weekends cleaning
trails, building trails or otherwise helping build the hobby?

Jim Smith

"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149181356.441456.148000@h76g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> C. E. White wrote:
>
>> I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>> small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>> just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my
>> field
>> cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride around in
>> unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to leave only
>> to
>> catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>> percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category
>> as
>> a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>> can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>
> Thanks for telling it like is really is. "Tread lightly" is a big joke
> for many of them.
>
> R. Lander
>

Jim Smith

That's only in his little part of the world. I wonder how many people he
has caught in his fields? Maybe 10-12 people. That's not even 1 thousands
of 1 per cent of all offroaders. I do feel for his pain. I wouldn't want
anyone destroying my property, but to state that he "dislikes fourwheelers",
is a very biased opinion. What about the clubs that spend weekends cleaning
trails, building trails or otherwise helping build the hobby?

Jim Smith

"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149181356.441456.148000@h76g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> C. E. White wrote:
>
>> I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>> small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>> just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my
>> field
>> cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride around in
>> unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to leave only
>> to
>> catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>> percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category
>> as
>> a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>> can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>
> Thanks for telling it like is really is. "Tread lightly" is a big joke
> for many of them.
>
> R. Lander
>