Trail(er) trash
#211
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
God, who let the cross-posting troll in, and why are you people feeding him?
C. E., you are not going to get any satisfaction here. Which state do you
live in? In Colorado you post "No Trespassing" signs at legally specified
intervals around your property, keep your fences in good repair, and then
you have legal grounds to prosecute anyone who enters, in civil court, to
recover damages. Pick someone whose name appears on a bit of trash, dumped
on your property, and make him pay for the entire trash heap removal, at
$50.00 an hour. If he won't pay, take him to civil court.
The next time you find a truck buried up to the axles, take photos of it,
including the license plate and any other identifying marks. Find out from
your sheriff the legal way to impound a vehicle abandoned on your property,
and make the owner pay to recover it from you. If you are threatened with
violence, document everything, and take them to court later. Ever wanted to
go on TV? Maybe "Texas Justice" or "People's Court" will take this one.
The standards for proving criminal intent are rigorous, as they should be.
But if you can prove civil damages, then you might get satisfaction. At
least it will keep you busy. Maybe a newspaper interview or two, will give
you some satisfaction.
Earle
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:44805754$1@kcnews01...
>
> "Mary Malmros" <malmrosnospam@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns97D5D7931C4AFmalmros@130.81.64.196...
> > Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50
> > @fed1read07:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "-----" because he got
> > > pissed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated fields.
> >
> > He didn't call him a ----- because he got pissed off. He called him a
> > ----- because getting pissed off (and posting to Usenet, I guess) was
all
> > that he apparently did. If such a thing happened to my neighbor's
fields,
> > he'd call the cops, and they'd damn well solve the problem. Like
others,
> I
> > can't conceive of a rural community where this problem would not be
> > adequately dealt with if brought to the attention of law enforcement.
> > Perhaps OP is an absentee gentleman hobby-farmer?
>
> Well I am probably in the hobby farmer class these days, althoguh I farms
> 50% more land than my Father (a life long farmer) ever did. I only have
> about 300 acres of crop land and another 75 acres of pasture and a few
> hundred acres of woodland of varying quality.
>
> I don't know where you live that farm land is under survellance 24/7. It
> certainly is not in my area. I have fields that are down paths and
> surrounded by woodlands. I might check them one every week or two during
the
> growing seasons, and only once or twice over the course of the winter. So
> the chances of actually catching the person in the act is remote. And even
> when I have cuaght peopel, the law does nothing. I've called the sheriff
> multiple times for different offences and nothing has ever been done. The
> best I ever got was a deputy coming out and agreeing that the trash was
> real. I also once had a highway patrol officer check on the owner of a
truck
> buried up to the axles in my field (winter time). Nothing happened then
> either. I suppose I could have pressed charges for tresspassing, but what
> was I going to get? Nothing.
>
> Ed
>
>
C. E., you are not going to get any satisfaction here. Which state do you
live in? In Colorado you post "No Trespassing" signs at legally specified
intervals around your property, keep your fences in good repair, and then
you have legal grounds to prosecute anyone who enters, in civil court, to
recover damages. Pick someone whose name appears on a bit of trash, dumped
on your property, and make him pay for the entire trash heap removal, at
$50.00 an hour. If he won't pay, take him to civil court.
The next time you find a truck buried up to the axles, take photos of it,
including the license plate and any other identifying marks. Find out from
your sheriff the legal way to impound a vehicle abandoned on your property,
and make the owner pay to recover it from you. If you are threatened with
violence, document everything, and take them to court later. Ever wanted to
go on TV? Maybe "Texas Justice" or "People's Court" will take this one.
The standards for proving criminal intent are rigorous, as they should be.
But if you can prove civil damages, then you might get satisfaction. At
least it will keep you busy. Maybe a newspaper interview or two, will give
you some satisfaction.
Earle
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:44805754$1@kcnews01...
>
> "Mary Malmros" <malmrosnospam@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns97D5D7931C4AFmalmros@130.81.64.196...
> > Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50
> > @fed1read07:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "-----" because he got
> > > pissed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated fields.
> >
> > He didn't call him a ----- because he got pissed off. He called him a
> > ----- because getting pissed off (and posting to Usenet, I guess) was
all
> > that he apparently did. If such a thing happened to my neighbor's
fields,
> > he'd call the cops, and they'd damn well solve the problem. Like
others,
> I
> > can't conceive of a rural community where this problem would not be
> > adequately dealt with if brought to the attention of law enforcement.
> > Perhaps OP is an absentee gentleman hobby-farmer?
>
> Well I am probably in the hobby farmer class these days, althoguh I farms
> 50% more land than my Father (a life long farmer) ever did. I only have
> about 300 acres of crop land and another 75 acres of pasture and a few
> hundred acres of woodland of varying quality.
>
> I don't know where you live that farm land is under survellance 24/7. It
> certainly is not in my area. I have fields that are down paths and
> surrounded by woodlands. I might check them one every week or two during
the
> growing seasons, and only once or twice over the course of the winter. So
> the chances of actually catching the person in the act is remote. And even
> when I have cuaght peopel, the law does nothing. I've called the sheriff
> multiple times for different offences and nothing has ever been done. The
> best I ever got was a deputy coming out and agreeing that the trash was
> real. I also once had a highway patrol officer check on the owner of a
truck
> buried up to the axles in my field (winter time). Nothing happened then
> either. I suppose I could have pressed charges for tresspassing, but what
> was I going to get? Nothing.
>
> Ed
>
>
#212
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
Just out of curiosity, how many people with opinions on both sides,
actually get out into the remote area, wander around, 4 wheel, hike,
etc... Cause my take on R. Lander is that he has probably never even
been to any of the areas he speaks of, but rather reads bits and peices
on the internet propaganda sites and then trolls for a place to spout
off. Dont get me wrong, there is trash here and there, but you cant
blame that on the 4 wheelers anymore than you can blame the clap on the
hippies. There is a random correlation with no proof.
If you are upset about something, do something, dont just sit around
and bitch....
rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:44805576$1@kcnews01...
> >
> > "rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message
> > news:BAGfg.7737$921.7295@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >>
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> >> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
> >> >wheeling." I run a
> >> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
> >> > my
> >> > fields are
> >> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
> >> > around
> >> > in my field
> >> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
> >> > ride
> >> > around in
> >> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> >> > leave only to
> >> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> >> > (very small)
> >> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
> >> > the
> >> > category as
> >> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
> >> > private
> >> > property, I
> >> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> ==========================
> >> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
> >> it
> >> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> >> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> >> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
> >> instead
> >> of just bean field)
> >
> > Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers
> > who refer to
> > them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I
> > had said they
> > rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my
> > "bean" field,
> > I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them
> > in the act. I
> > have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about
> > the guys
> > riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's
> > when we saw the
> > tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even
> > months
> > before we saw it.
> > ================================
> Changing the story now, huh? Before it was you were asking them
> to leave like every week or something.
>
>
>
>
> >> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
> >> crops
> >> around here, you're going to pay for them.
> >
> > Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7
> > surveillance on
> > your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even
> > check for
> > weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an
> > older,
> > decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front
> > of this
> > house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the
> > house for
> > later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded
> > by an electric
> > fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the
> > fence.
> > backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck.
> > I stopped
> > him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he
> > thought the wood
> > was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but
> > inside a
> > fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the
> > sheriff? I
> > already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had
> > not have
> > just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and
> > there is
> > nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have
> > someone (I
> > assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my
> > pastures. I
> > can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to
> > retrieve a
> > dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.
> ===========================
> Quit making excuses, -----. File charges.
>
>
> >
> > It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and
> > prosecute
> > trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.
> ===========================
> Make up your mind, either you never catch them, or you catch them
> all the time. Which is it?
>
>
>
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
actually get out into the remote area, wander around, 4 wheel, hike,
etc... Cause my take on R. Lander is that he has probably never even
been to any of the areas he speaks of, but rather reads bits and peices
on the internet propaganda sites and then trolls for a place to spout
off. Dont get me wrong, there is trash here and there, but you cant
blame that on the 4 wheelers anymore than you can blame the clap on the
hippies. There is a random correlation with no proof.
If you are upset about something, do something, dont just sit around
and bitch....
rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:44805576$1@kcnews01...
> >
> > "rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message
> > news:BAGfg.7737$921.7295@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >>
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> >> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
> >> >wheeling." I run a
> >> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
> >> > my
> >> > fields are
> >> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
> >> > around
> >> > in my field
> >> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
> >> > ride
> >> > around in
> >> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> >> > leave only to
> >> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> >> > (very small)
> >> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
> >> > the
> >> > category as
> >> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
> >> > private
> >> > property, I
> >> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> ==========================
> >> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
> >> it
> >> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> >> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> >> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
> >> instead
> >> of just bean field)
> >
> > Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers
> > who refer to
> > them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I
> > had said they
> > rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my
> > "bean" field,
> > I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them
> > in the act. I
> > have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about
> > the guys
> > riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's
> > when we saw the
> > tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even
> > months
> > before we saw it.
> > ================================
> Changing the story now, huh? Before it was you were asking them
> to leave like every week or something.
>
>
>
>
> >> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
> >> crops
> >> around here, you're going to pay for them.
> >
> > Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7
> > surveillance on
> > your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even
> > check for
> > weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an
> > older,
> > decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front
> > of this
> > house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the
> > house for
> > later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded
> > by an electric
> > fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the
> > fence.
> > backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck.
> > I stopped
> > him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he
> > thought the wood
> > was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but
> > inside a
> > fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the
> > sheriff? I
> > already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had
> > not have
> > just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and
> > there is
> > nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have
> > someone (I
> > assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my
> > pastures. I
> > can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to
> > retrieve a
> > dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.
> ===========================
> Quit making excuses, -----. File charges.
>
>
> >
> > It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and
> > prosecute
> > trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.
> ===========================
> Make up your mind, either you never catch them, or you catch them
> all the time. Which is it?
>
>
>
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
#213
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
Just out of curiosity, how many people with opinions on both sides,
actually get out into the remote area, wander around, 4 wheel, hike,
etc... Cause my take on R. Lander is that he has probably never even
been to any of the areas he speaks of, but rather reads bits and peices
on the internet propaganda sites and then trolls for a place to spout
off. Dont get me wrong, there is trash here and there, but you cant
blame that on the 4 wheelers anymore than you can blame the clap on the
hippies. There is a random correlation with no proof.
If you are upset about something, do something, dont just sit around
and bitch....
rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:44805576$1@kcnews01...
> >
> > "rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message
> > news:BAGfg.7737$921.7295@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >>
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> >> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
> >> >wheeling." I run a
> >> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
> >> > my
> >> > fields are
> >> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
> >> > around
> >> > in my field
> >> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
> >> > ride
> >> > around in
> >> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> >> > leave only to
> >> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> >> > (very small)
> >> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
> >> > the
> >> > category as
> >> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
> >> > private
> >> > property, I
> >> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> ==========================
> >> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
> >> it
> >> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> >> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> >> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
> >> instead
> >> of just bean field)
> >
> > Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers
> > who refer to
> > them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I
> > had said they
> > rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my
> > "bean" field,
> > I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them
> > in the act. I
> > have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about
> > the guys
> > riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's
> > when we saw the
> > tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even
> > months
> > before we saw it.
> > ================================
> Changing the story now, huh? Before it was you were asking them
> to leave like every week or something.
>
>
>
>
> >> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
> >> crops
> >> around here, you're going to pay for them.
> >
> > Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7
> > surveillance on
> > your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even
> > check for
> > weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an
> > older,
> > decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front
> > of this
> > house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the
> > house for
> > later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded
> > by an electric
> > fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the
> > fence.
> > backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck.
> > I stopped
> > him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he
> > thought the wood
> > was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but
> > inside a
> > fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the
> > sheriff? I
> > already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had
> > not have
> > just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and
> > there is
> > nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have
> > someone (I
> > assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my
> > pastures. I
> > can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to
> > retrieve a
> > dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.
> ===========================
> Quit making excuses, -----. File charges.
>
>
> >
> > It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and
> > prosecute
> > trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.
> ===========================
> Make up your mind, either you never catch them, or you catch them
> all the time. Which is it?
>
>
>
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
actually get out into the remote area, wander around, 4 wheel, hike,
etc... Cause my take on R. Lander is that he has probably never even
been to any of the areas he speaks of, but rather reads bits and peices
on the internet propaganda sites and then trolls for a place to spout
off. Dont get me wrong, there is trash here and there, but you cant
blame that on the 4 wheelers anymore than you can blame the clap on the
hippies. There is a random correlation with no proof.
If you are upset about something, do something, dont just sit around
and bitch....
rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:44805576$1@kcnews01...
> >
> > "rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message
> > news:BAGfg.7737$921.7295@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >>
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> >> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
> >> >wheeling." I run a
> >> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
> >> > my
> >> > fields are
> >> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
> >> > around
> >> > in my field
> >> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
> >> > ride
> >> > around in
> >> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> >> > leave only to
> >> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> >> > (very small)
> >> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
> >> > the
> >> > category as
> >> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
> >> > private
> >> > property, I
> >> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> ==========================
> >> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
> >> it
> >> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> >> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> >> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
> >> instead
> >> of just bean field)
> >
> > Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers
> > who refer to
> > them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I
> > had said they
> > rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my
> > "bean" field,
> > I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them
> > in the act. I
> > have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about
> > the guys
> > riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's
> > when we saw the
> > tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even
> > months
> > before we saw it.
> > ================================
> Changing the story now, huh? Before it was you were asking them
> to leave like every week or something.
>
>
>
>
> >> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
> >> crops
> >> around here, you're going to pay for them.
> >
> > Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7
> > surveillance on
> > your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even
> > check for
> > weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an
> > older,
> > decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front
> > of this
> > house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the
> > house for
> > later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded
> > by an electric
> > fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the
> > fence.
> > backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck.
> > I stopped
> > him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he
> > thought the wood
> > was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but
> > inside a
> > fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the
> > sheriff? I
> > already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had
> > not have
> > just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and
> > there is
> > nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have
> > someone (I
> > assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my
> > pastures. I
> > can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to
> > retrieve a
> > dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.
> ===========================
> Quit making excuses, -----. File charges.
>
>
> >
> > It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and
> > prosecute
> > trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.
> ===========================
> Make up your mind, either you never catch them, or you catch them
> all the time. Which is it?
>
>
>
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
#214
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
Just out of curiosity, how many people with opinions on both sides,
actually get out into the remote area, wander around, 4 wheel, hike,
etc... Cause my take on R. Lander is that he has probably never even
been to any of the areas he speaks of, but rather reads bits and peices
on the internet propaganda sites and then trolls for a place to spout
off. Dont get me wrong, there is trash here and there, but you cant
blame that on the 4 wheelers anymore than you can blame the clap on the
hippies. There is a random correlation with no proof.
If you are upset about something, do something, dont just sit around
and bitch....
rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:44805576$1@kcnews01...
> >
> > "rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message
> > news:BAGfg.7737$921.7295@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >>
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> >> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
> >> >wheeling." I run a
> >> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
> >> > my
> >> > fields are
> >> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
> >> > around
> >> > in my field
> >> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
> >> > ride
> >> > around in
> >> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> >> > leave only to
> >> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> >> > (very small)
> >> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
> >> > the
> >> > category as
> >> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
> >> > private
> >> > property, I
> >> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> ==========================
> >> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
> >> it
> >> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> >> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> >> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
> >> instead
> >> of just bean field)
> >
> > Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers
> > who refer to
> > them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I
> > had said they
> > rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my
> > "bean" field,
> > I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them
> > in the act. I
> > have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about
> > the guys
> > riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's
> > when we saw the
> > tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even
> > months
> > before we saw it.
> > ================================
> Changing the story now, huh? Before it was you were asking them
> to leave like every week or something.
>
>
>
>
> >> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
> >> crops
> >> around here, you're going to pay for them.
> >
> > Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7
> > surveillance on
> > your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even
> > check for
> > weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an
> > older,
> > decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front
> > of this
> > house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the
> > house for
> > later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded
> > by an electric
> > fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the
> > fence.
> > backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck.
> > I stopped
> > him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he
> > thought the wood
> > was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but
> > inside a
> > fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the
> > sheriff? I
> > already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had
> > not have
> > just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and
> > there is
> > nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have
> > someone (I
> > assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my
> > pastures. I
> > can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to
> > retrieve a
> > dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.
> ===========================
> Quit making excuses, -----. File charges.
>
>
> >
> > It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and
> > prosecute
> > trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.
> ===========================
> Make up your mind, either you never catch them, or you catch them
> all the time. Which is it?
>
>
>
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
actually get out into the remote area, wander around, 4 wheel, hike,
etc... Cause my take on R. Lander is that he has probably never even
been to any of the areas he speaks of, but rather reads bits and peices
on the internet propaganda sites and then trolls for a place to spout
off. Dont get me wrong, there is trash here and there, but you cant
blame that on the 4 wheelers anymore than you can blame the clap on the
hippies. There is a random correlation with no proof.
If you are upset about something, do something, dont just sit around
and bitch....
rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:44805576$1@kcnews01...
> >
> > "rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message
> > news:BAGfg.7737$921.7295@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >>
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> >> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
> >> >wheeling." I run a
> >> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
> >> > my
> >> > fields are
> >> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
> >> > around
> >> > in my field
> >> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
> >> > ride
> >> > around in
> >> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> >> > leave only to
> >> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> >> > (very small)
> >> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
> >> > the
> >> > category as
> >> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
> >> > private
> >> > property, I
> >> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> ==========================
> >> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
> >> it
> >> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> >> ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> >> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
> >> instead
> >> of just bean field)
> >
> > Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers
> > who refer to
> > them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I
> > had said they
> > rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my
> > "bean" field,
> > I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them
> > in the act. I
> > have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about
> > the guys
> > riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's
> > when we saw the
> > tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even
> > months
> > before we saw it.
> > ================================
> Changing the story now, huh? Before it was you were asking them
> to leave like every week or something.
>
>
>
>
> >> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
> >> crops
> >> around here, you're going to pay for them.
> >
> > Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7
> > surveillance on
> > your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even
> > check for
> > weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an
> > older,
> > decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front
> > of this
> > house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the
> > house for
> > later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded
> > by an electric
> > fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the
> > fence.
> > backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck.
> > I stopped
> > him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he
> > thought the wood
> > was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but
> > inside a
> > fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the
> > sheriff? I
> > already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had
> > not have
> > just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and
> > there is
> > nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have
> > someone (I
> > assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my
> > pastures. I
> > can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to
> > retrieve a
> > dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.
> ===========================
> Quit making excuses, -----. File charges.
>
>
> >
> > It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and
> > prosecute
> > trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.
> ===========================
> Make up your mind, either you never catch them, or you catch them
> all the time. Which is it?
>
>
>
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
#215
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
Did you speak to the Sheriff or a deputy?
If your county Sheriff refuses to perform his duty what else have you done?
Have you spoken to the County Commissioners, or your local newspaper, radio,
and TV stations?
Elected officials are loathe to see themselves on the news being accused of
malfeasance.
Have you contacted the state police?
Why not just bypass the Sherriff and go directly to the County Attorney and
file charges. The prosecutor will issue the necessary warrants and the
Sherriff will have to answer to him if he refuses to serve them.
There is just too much in your story that defies common sense. I do not
know any farmer that ignores his crops for weeks or months at a time... and
never heard of it either...
I've seen where people just dump trash rather than dispose of it properly,
that is a relatively small number of people that should be considered white
(or yellow, or red, or brown, or black) trash not Jeepers....
I have a problem with smokers who dump ashtrays on the ground or just flick
their butts out the window as they drive through the park where I live.
The guy stealing your firewood was probably one of your neighbors as they
would be the ones to see it or hear it being cut.
The county road grader is probably required to clear road hazards and I find
it hard to believe that he ran his grader up into your woods to bury a
dishwasher...if anything he would just push it off the road or perhaps he
thought he was doing you a favor by burying it (with a grader!)
If you have a logging road you should, at least, have it posted as private
property and there is a great difference between installing a gate and just
hanging a chain or cable between trees at a height intended to snare
trespassers.
There would be no reason for a hunter to disconnect your electric fence,
even it retrieve a dog assuming it is properly and legally installed. More
likely it is some eco-weenie or PETA --------- wannabe who thinks they are
saving wildlife from being tortured..
Perhaps you should invite a local 4x4 club onto your property. All the
clubs I an aware of take excellent care of any area that they are allowed to
use.
Are you being singled out or do all your neighbors have the same problems?
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:448050e5$1@kcnews01...
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
>> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>> other than politely ask them to leave.
>>
>> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on
>> any
>> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
> compensated
>> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>>
>> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
>> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...
>
> Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on
> the
> sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
> tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four
> wheeler
> ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
> caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
> realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
> and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in
> my
> Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
> fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
> makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in
> plain
> sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I
> routinely
> catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up
> a
> gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability
> issue
> (one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
> by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
> only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on
> my
> property -
>
> 1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped
> on
> my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common -
> despite
> the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
> through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
> couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was
> on
> a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of
> the
> trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
> there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
> lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally
> sprinkled
> on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped
> a
> dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The
> state
> motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
> woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally
> hauled
> it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped
> as
> well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2
> miles
> away!
>
> 2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
> permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not
> use
> a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
> but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving
> down
> my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off
> a
> few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only
> a
> matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
> was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
> opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more
> and
> more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are
> coming
> in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.
>
> 3) Four wheelers - already covered.
>
> Ed
>
>
If your county Sheriff refuses to perform his duty what else have you done?
Have you spoken to the County Commissioners, or your local newspaper, radio,
and TV stations?
Elected officials are loathe to see themselves on the news being accused of
malfeasance.
Have you contacted the state police?
Why not just bypass the Sherriff and go directly to the County Attorney and
file charges. The prosecutor will issue the necessary warrants and the
Sherriff will have to answer to him if he refuses to serve them.
There is just too much in your story that defies common sense. I do not
know any farmer that ignores his crops for weeks or months at a time... and
never heard of it either...
I've seen where people just dump trash rather than dispose of it properly,
that is a relatively small number of people that should be considered white
(or yellow, or red, or brown, or black) trash not Jeepers....
I have a problem with smokers who dump ashtrays on the ground or just flick
their butts out the window as they drive through the park where I live.
The guy stealing your firewood was probably one of your neighbors as they
would be the ones to see it or hear it being cut.
The county road grader is probably required to clear road hazards and I find
it hard to believe that he ran his grader up into your woods to bury a
dishwasher...if anything he would just push it off the road or perhaps he
thought he was doing you a favor by burying it (with a grader!)
If you have a logging road you should, at least, have it posted as private
property and there is a great difference between installing a gate and just
hanging a chain or cable between trees at a height intended to snare
trespassers.
There would be no reason for a hunter to disconnect your electric fence,
even it retrieve a dog assuming it is properly and legally installed. More
likely it is some eco-weenie or PETA --------- wannabe who thinks they are
saving wildlife from being tortured..
Perhaps you should invite a local 4x4 club onto your property. All the
clubs I an aware of take excellent care of any area that they are allowed to
use.
Are you being singled out or do all your neighbors have the same problems?
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:448050e5$1@kcnews01...
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
>> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>> other than politely ask them to leave.
>>
>> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on
>> any
>> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
> compensated
>> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>>
>> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
>> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...
>
> Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on
> the
> sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
> tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four
> wheeler
> ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
> caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
> realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
> and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in
> my
> Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
> fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
> makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in
> plain
> sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I
> routinely
> catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up
> a
> gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability
> issue
> (one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
> by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
> only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on
> my
> property -
>
> 1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped
> on
> my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common -
> despite
> the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
> through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
> couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was
> on
> a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of
> the
> trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
> there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
> lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally
> sprinkled
> on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped
> a
> dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The
> state
> motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
> woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally
> hauled
> it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped
> as
> well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2
> miles
> away!
>
> 2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
> permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not
> use
> a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
> but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving
> down
> my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off
> a
> few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only
> a
> matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
> was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
> opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more
> and
> more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are
> coming
> in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.
>
> 3) Four wheelers - already covered.
>
> Ed
>
>
#216
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
Did you speak to the Sheriff or a deputy?
If your county Sheriff refuses to perform his duty what else have you done?
Have you spoken to the County Commissioners, or your local newspaper, radio,
and TV stations?
Elected officials are loathe to see themselves on the news being accused of
malfeasance.
Have you contacted the state police?
Why not just bypass the Sherriff and go directly to the County Attorney and
file charges. The prosecutor will issue the necessary warrants and the
Sherriff will have to answer to him if he refuses to serve them.
There is just too much in your story that defies common sense. I do not
know any farmer that ignores his crops for weeks or months at a time... and
never heard of it either...
I've seen where people just dump trash rather than dispose of it properly,
that is a relatively small number of people that should be considered white
(or yellow, or red, or brown, or black) trash not Jeepers....
I have a problem with smokers who dump ashtrays on the ground or just flick
their butts out the window as they drive through the park where I live.
The guy stealing your firewood was probably one of your neighbors as they
would be the ones to see it or hear it being cut.
The county road grader is probably required to clear road hazards and I find
it hard to believe that he ran his grader up into your woods to bury a
dishwasher...if anything he would just push it off the road or perhaps he
thought he was doing you a favor by burying it (with a grader!)
If you have a logging road you should, at least, have it posted as private
property and there is a great difference between installing a gate and just
hanging a chain or cable between trees at a height intended to snare
trespassers.
There would be no reason for a hunter to disconnect your electric fence,
even it retrieve a dog assuming it is properly and legally installed. More
likely it is some eco-weenie or PETA --------- wannabe who thinks they are
saving wildlife from being tortured..
Perhaps you should invite a local 4x4 club onto your property. All the
clubs I an aware of take excellent care of any area that they are allowed to
use.
Are you being singled out or do all your neighbors have the same problems?
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:448050e5$1@kcnews01...
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
>> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>> other than politely ask them to leave.
>>
>> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on
>> any
>> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
> compensated
>> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>>
>> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
>> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...
>
> Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on
> the
> sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
> tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four
> wheeler
> ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
> caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
> realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
> and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in
> my
> Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
> fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
> makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in
> plain
> sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I
> routinely
> catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up
> a
> gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability
> issue
> (one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
> by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
> only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on
> my
> property -
>
> 1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped
> on
> my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common -
> despite
> the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
> through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
> couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was
> on
> a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of
> the
> trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
> there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
> lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally
> sprinkled
> on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped
> a
> dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The
> state
> motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
> woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally
> hauled
> it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped
> as
> well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2
> miles
> away!
>
> 2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
> permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not
> use
> a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
> but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving
> down
> my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off
> a
> few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only
> a
> matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
> was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
> opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more
> and
> more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are
> coming
> in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.
>
> 3) Four wheelers - already covered.
>
> Ed
>
>
If your county Sheriff refuses to perform his duty what else have you done?
Have you spoken to the County Commissioners, or your local newspaper, radio,
and TV stations?
Elected officials are loathe to see themselves on the news being accused of
malfeasance.
Have you contacted the state police?
Why not just bypass the Sherriff and go directly to the County Attorney and
file charges. The prosecutor will issue the necessary warrants and the
Sherriff will have to answer to him if he refuses to serve them.
There is just too much in your story that defies common sense. I do not
know any farmer that ignores his crops for weeks or months at a time... and
never heard of it either...
I've seen where people just dump trash rather than dispose of it properly,
that is a relatively small number of people that should be considered white
(or yellow, or red, or brown, or black) trash not Jeepers....
I have a problem with smokers who dump ashtrays on the ground or just flick
their butts out the window as they drive through the park where I live.
The guy stealing your firewood was probably one of your neighbors as they
would be the ones to see it or hear it being cut.
The county road grader is probably required to clear road hazards and I find
it hard to believe that he ran his grader up into your woods to bury a
dishwasher...if anything he would just push it off the road or perhaps he
thought he was doing you a favor by burying it (with a grader!)
If you have a logging road you should, at least, have it posted as private
property and there is a great difference between installing a gate and just
hanging a chain or cable between trees at a height intended to snare
trespassers.
There would be no reason for a hunter to disconnect your electric fence,
even it retrieve a dog assuming it is properly and legally installed. More
likely it is some eco-weenie or PETA --------- wannabe who thinks they are
saving wildlife from being tortured..
Perhaps you should invite a local 4x4 club onto your property. All the
clubs I an aware of take excellent care of any area that they are allowed to
use.
Are you being singled out or do all your neighbors have the same problems?
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:448050e5$1@kcnews01...
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
>> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>> other than politely ask them to leave.
>>
>> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on
>> any
>> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
> compensated
>> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>>
>> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
>> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...
>
> Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on
> the
> sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
> tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four
> wheeler
> ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
> caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
> realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
> and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in
> my
> Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
> fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
> makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in
> plain
> sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I
> routinely
> catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up
> a
> gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability
> issue
> (one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
> by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
> only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on
> my
> property -
>
> 1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped
> on
> my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common -
> despite
> the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
> through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
> couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was
> on
> a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of
> the
> trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
> there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
> lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally
> sprinkled
> on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped
> a
> dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The
> state
> motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
> woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally
> hauled
> it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped
> as
> well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2
> miles
> away!
>
> 2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
> permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not
> use
> a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
> but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving
> down
> my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off
> a
> few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only
> a
> matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
> was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
> opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more
> and
> more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are
> coming
> in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.
>
> 3) Four wheelers - already covered.
>
> Ed
>
>
#217
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
Did you speak to the Sheriff or a deputy?
If your county Sheriff refuses to perform his duty what else have you done?
Have you spoken to the County Commissioners, or your local newspaper, radio,
and TV stations?
Elected officials are loathe to see themselves on the news being accused of
malfeasance.
Have you contacted the state police?
Why not just bypass the Sherriff and go directly to the County Attorney and
file charges. The prosecutor will issue the necessary warrants and the
Sherriff will have to answer to him if he refuses to serve them.
There is just too much in your story that defies common sense. I do not
know any farmer that ignores his crops for weeks or months at a time... and
never heard of it either...
I've seen where people just dump trash rather than dispose of it properly,
that is a relatively small number of people that should be considered white
(or yellow, or red, or brown, or black) trash not Jeepers....
I have a problem with smokers who dump ashtrays on the ground or just flick
their butts out the window as they drive through the park where I live.
The guy stealing your firewood was probably one of your neighbors as they
would be the ones to see it or hear it being cut.
The county road grader is probably required to clear road hazards and I find
it hard to believe that he ran his grader up into your woods to bury a
dishwasher...if anything he would just push it off the road or perhaps he
thought he was doing you a favor by burying it (with a grader!)
If you have a logging road you should, at least, have it posted as private
property and there is a great difference between installing a gate and just
hanging a chain or cable between trees at a height intended to snare
trespassers.
There would be no reason for a hunter to disconnect your electric fence,
even it retrieve a dog assuming it is properly and legally installed. More
likely it is some eco-weenie or PETA --------- wannabe who thinks they are
saving wildlife from being tortured..
Perhaps you should invite a local 4x4 club onto your property. All the
clubs I an aware of take excellent care of any area that they are allowed to
use.
Are you being singled out or do all your neighbors have the same problems?
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:448050e5$1@kcnews01...
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
>> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>> other than politely ask them to leave.
>>
>> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on
>> any
>> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
> compensated
>> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>>
>> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
>> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...
>
> Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on
> the
> sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
> tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four
> wheeler
> ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
> caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
> realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
> and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in
> my
> Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
> fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
> makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in
> plain
> sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I
> routinely
> catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up
> a
> gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability
> issue
> (one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
> by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
> only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on
> my
> property -
>
> 1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped
> on
> my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common -
> despite
> the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
> through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
> couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was
> on
> a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of
> the
> trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
> there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
> lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally
> sprinkled
> on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped
> a
> dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The
> state
> motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
> woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally
> hauled
> it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped
> as
> well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2
> miles
> away!
>
> 2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
> permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not
> use
> a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
> but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving
> down
> my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off
> a
> few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only
> a
> matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
> was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
> opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more
> and
> more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are
> coming
> in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.
>
> 3) Four wheelers - already covered.
>
> Ed
>
>
If your county Sheriff refuses to perform his duty what else have you done?
Have you spoken to the County Commissioners, or your local newspaper, radio,
and TV stations?
Elected officials are loathe to see themselves on the news being accused of
malfeasance.
Have you contacted the state police?
Why not just bypass the Sherriff and go directly to the County Attorney and
file charges. The prosecutor will issue the necessary warrants and the
Sherriff will have to answer to him if he refuses to serve them.
There is just too much in your story that defies common sense. I do not
know any farmer that ignores his crops for weeks or months at a time... and
never heard of it either...
I've seen where people just dump trash rather than dispose of it properly,
that is a relatively small number of people that should be considered white
(or yellow, or red, or brown, or black) trash not Jeepers....
I have a problem with smokers who dump ashtrays on the ground or just flick
their butts out the window as they drive through the park where I live.
The guy stealing your firewood was probably one of your neighbors as they
would be the ones to see it or hear it being cut.
The county road grader is probably required to clear road hazards and I find
it hard to believe that he ran his grader up into your woods to bury a
dishwasher...if anything he would just push it off the road or perhaps he
thought he was doing you a favor by burying it (with a grader!)
If you have a logging road you should, at least, have it posted as private
property and there is a great difference between installing a gate and just
hanging a chain or cable between trees at a height intended to snare
trespassers.
There would be no reason for a hunter to disconnect your electric fence,
even it retrieve a dog assuming it is properly and legally installed. More
likely it is some eco-weenie or PETA --------- wannabe who thinks they are
saving wildlife from being tortured..
Perhaps you should invite a local 4x4 club onto your property. All the
clubs I an aware of take excellent care of any area that they are allowed to
use.
Are you being singled out or do all your neighbors have the same problems?
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:448050e5$1@kcnews01...
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
>> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>> other than politely ask them to leave.
>>
>> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on
>> any
>> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
> compensated
>> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>>
>> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
>> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...
>
> Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on
> the
> sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
> tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four
> wheeler
> ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
> caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
> realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
> and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in
> my
> Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
> fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
> makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in
> plain
> sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I
> routinely
> catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up
> a
> gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability
> issue
> (one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
> by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
> only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on
> my
> property -
>
> 1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped
> on
> my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common -
> despite
> the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
> through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
> couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was
> on
> a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of
> the
> trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
> there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
> lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally
> sprinkled
> on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped
> a
> dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The
> state
> motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
> woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally
> hauled
> it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped
> as
> well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2
> miles
> away!
>
> 2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
> permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not
> use
> a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
> but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving
> down
> my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off
> a
> few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only
> a
> matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
> was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
> opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more
> and
> more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are
> coming
> in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.
>
> 3) Four wheelers - already covered.
>
> Ed
>
>
#218
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
In article <447f1d17@kcnews01>,
C. E. White <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote:
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my field
>cutting tracks and distributing trash....
>Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category as
>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
This is just a general property/trespass problem.
I know two sets of folk: with kids to trespass and a small minority of
land owners with rock salt. That's the US. Mechanized trespassers
just amplify their acts. The US will likely go the way of UK for right
to pass in the future decades or centuries.
--
C. E. White <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote:
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my field
>cutting tracks and distributing trash....
>Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category as
>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
This is just a general property/trespass problem.
I know two sets of folk: with kids to trespass and a small minority of
land owners with rock salt. That's the US. Mechanized trespassers
just amplify their acts. The US will likely go the way of UK for right
to pass in the future decades or centuries.
--
#219
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
In article <447f1d17@kcnews01>,
C. E. White <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote:
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my field
>cutting tracks and distributing trash....
>Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category as
>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
This is just a general property/trespass problem.
I know two sets of folk: with kids to trespass and a small minority of
land owners with rock salt. That's the US. Mechanized trespassers
just amplify their acts. The US will likely go the way of UK for right
to pass in the future decades or centuries.
--
C. E. White <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote:
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my field
>cutting tracks and distributing trash....
>Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category as
>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
This is just a general property/trespass problem.
I know two sets of folk: with kids to trespass and a small minority of
land owners with rock salt. That's the US. Mechanized trespassers
just amplify their acts. The US will likely go the way of UK for right
to pass in the future decades or centuries.
--
#220
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
In article <447f1d17@kcnews01>,
C. E. White <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote:
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my field
>cutting tracks and distributing trash....
>Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category as
>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
This is just a general property/trespass problem.
I know two sets of folk: with kids to trespass and a small minority of
land owners with rock salt. That's the US. Mechanized trespassers
just amplify their acts. The US will likely go the way of UK for right
to pass in the future decades or centuries.
--
C. E. White <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote:
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my field
>cutting tracks and distributing trash....
>Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category as
>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
This is just a general property/trespass problem.
I know two sets of folk: with kids to trespass and a small minority of
land owners with rock salt. That's the US. Mechanized trespassers
just amplify their acts. The US will likely go the way of UK for right
to pass in the future decades or centuries.
--