Trail(er) trash
#251
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Re: Trail(er) trash
Speak for yourself. When I did the Rubicon back in 2000, we carried out all
of our trash. I would venture a guess that not so much as a stick of gum was
spit out.
"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>
of our trash. I would venture a guess that not so much as a stick of gum was
spit out.
"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>
#252
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Re: Trail(er) trash
Speak for yourself. When I did the Rubicon back in 2000, we carried out all
of our trash. I would venture a guess that not so much as a stick of gum was
spit out.
"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>
of our trash. I would venture a guess that not so much as a stick of gum was
spit out.
"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>
#253
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Re: Trail(er) trash
Speak for yourself. When I did the Rubicon back in 2000, we carried out all
of our trash. I would venture a guess that not so much as a stick of gum was
spit out.
"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>
of our trash. I would venture a guess that not so much as a stick of gum was
spit out.
"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>
#254
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Re: Trail(er) trash
If he answered I was going to ask about leather (or leather looking) shoes,
belts, and jackets before expanding to plastic away pop cans/bottles,
grocery bags, etc.
At that point the whole topic of pesticides and fertilizers comes open.....
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:990gg.1379$sP1.1005@fed1read07...
> Of course, R.Lander is an environmentalist only when it's convenient
> enough. ;)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> R.,
>>
>> Do you drive a car or live in a house heated or cooled by fossil fuels?
>>
>>
>> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149274545.862617.279910@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
>>>>and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>>>
>>>Good point, but mountain climbers aren't exactly environmentalists
>>>either. They seem to be more in it for the challenge of "beating"
>>>nature, like Jeepers crawling over rocks. They use specialized
>>>equipment but not gasoline. Many slopes have been desecrated with
>>>permanent climbing hooks and notches carved into the rock. Dead bodies
>>>are among the trash left behind on high peaks!. People who can't enjoy
>>>nature as-is are always trying to open more of it to their favorite
>>>sports. Recreational obsession triumphs over a weak land ethic.
>>>
>>>I don't accept the whole idea that "wilderness" can remain viable when
>>>so many elements of the city are brought in. Multiple use concepts go
>>>too far. There are adequate places for motorsports and extreme sports
>>>already. People pursuing those activities should blame overpopulation
>>>if they don't like crowds. They can't keep expanding into wild places
>>>or there won't be any left. Many national parks are already tainted by
>>>too many visitors, even if they park their cars and hike.
>>>
>>>R. Lander
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
belts, and jackets before expanding to plastic away pop cans/bottles,
grocery bags, etc.
At that point the whole topic of pesticides and fertilizers comes open.....
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:990gg.1379$sP1.1005@fed1read07...
> Of course, R.Lander is an environmentalist only when it's convenient
> enough. ;)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> R.,
>>
>> Do you drive a car or live in a house heated or cooled by fossil fuels?
>>
>>
>> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149274545.862617.279910@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
>>>>and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>>>
>>>Good point, but mountain climbers aren't exactly environmentalists
>>>either. They seem to be more in it for the challenge of "beating"
>>>nature, like Jeepers crawling over rocks. They use specialized
>>>equipment but not gasoline. Many slopes have been desecrated with
>>>permanent climbing hooks and notches carved into the rock. Dead bodies
>>>are among the trash left behind on high peaks!. People who can't enjoy
>>>nature as-is are always trying to open more of it to their favorite
>>>sports. Recreational obsession triumphs over a weak land ethic.
>>>
>>>I don't accept the whole idea that "wilderness" can remain viable when
>>>so many elements of the city are brought in. Multiple use concepts go
>>>too far. There are adequate places for motorsports and extreme sports
>>>already. People pursuing those activities should blame overpopulation
>>>if they don't like crowds. They can't keep expanding into wild places
>>>or there won't be any left. Many national parks are already tainted by
>>>too many visitors, even if they park their cars and hike.
>>>
>>>R. Lander
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#255
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash
If he answered I was going to ask about leather (or leather looking) shoes,
belts, and jackets before expanding to plastic away pop cans/bottles,
grocery bags, etc.
At that point the whole topic of pesticides and fertilizers comes open.....
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:990gg.1379$sP1.1005@fed1read07...
> Of course, R.Lander is an environmentalist only when it's convenient
> enough. ;)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> R.,
>>
>> Do you drive a car or live in a house heated or cooled by fossil fuels?
>>
>>
>> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149274545.862617.279910@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
>>>>and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>>>
>>>Good point, but mountain climbers aren't exactly environmentalists
>>>either. They seem to be more in it for the challenge of "beating"
>>>nature, like Jeepers crawling over rocks. They use specialized
>>>equipment but not gasoline. Many slopes have been desecrated with
>>>permanent climbing hooks and notches carved into the rock. Dead bodies
>>>are among the trash left behind on high peaks!. People who can't enjoy
>>>nature as-is are always trying to open more of it to their favorite
>>>sports. Recreational obsession triumphs over a weak land ethic.
>>>
>>>I don't accept the whole idea that "wilderness" can remain viable when
>>>so many elements of the city are brought in. Multiple use concepts go
>>>too far. There are adequate places for motorsports and extreme sports
>>>already. People pursuing those activities should blame overpopulation
>>>if they don't like crowds. They can't keep expanding into wild places
>>>or there won't be any left. Many national parks are already tainted by
>>>too many visitors, even if they park their cars and hike.
>>>
>>>R. Lander
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
belts, and jackets before expanding to plastic away pop cans/bottles,
grocery bags, etc.
At that point the whole topic of pesticides and fertilizers comes open.....
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:990gg.1379$sP1.1005@fed1read07...
> Of course, R.Lander is an environmentalist only when it's convenient
> enough. ;)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> R.,
>>
>> Do you drive a car or live in a house heated or cooled by fossil fuels?
>>
>>
>> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149274545.862617.279910@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
>>>>and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>>>
>>>Good point, but mountain climbers aren't exactly environmentalists
>>>either. They seem to be more in it for the challenge of "beating"
>>>nature, like Jeepers crawling over rocks. They use specialized
>>>equipment but not gasoline. Many slopes have been desecrated with
>>>permanent climbing hooks and notches carved into the rock. Dead bodies
>>>are among the trash left behind on high peaks!. People who can't enjoy
>>>nature as-is are always trying to open more of it to their favorite
>>>sports. Recreational obsession triumphs over a weak land ethic.
>>>
>>>I don't accept the whole idea that "wilderness" can remain viable when
>>>so many elements of the city are brought in. Multiple use concepts go
>>>too far. There are adequate places for motorsports and extreme sports
>>>already. People pursuing those activities should blame overpopulation
>>>if they don't like crowds. They can't keep expanding into wild places
>>>or there won't be any left. Many national parks are already tainted by
>>>too many visitors, even if they park their cars and hike.
>>>
>>>R. Lander
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#256
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trail(er) trash
If he answered I was going to ask about leather (or leather looking) shoes,
belts, and jackets before expanding to plastic away pop cans/bottles,
grocery bags, etc.
At that point the whole topic of pesticides and fertilizers comes open.....
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:990gg.1379$sP1.1005@fed1read07...
> Of course, R.Lander is an environmentalist only when it's convenient
> enough. ;)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> R.,
>>
>> Do you drive a car or live in a house heated or cooled by fossil fuels?
>>
>>
>> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149274545.862617.279910@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
>>>>and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>>>
>>>Good point, but mountain climbers aren't exactly environmentalists
>>>either. They seem to be more in it for the challenge of "beating"
>>>nature, like Jeepers crawling over rocks. They use specialized
>>>equipment but not gasoline. Many slopes have been desecrated with
>>>permanent climbing hooks and notches carved into the rock. Dead bodies
>>>are among the trash left behind on high peaks!. People who can't enjoy
>>>nature as-is are always trying to open more of it to their favorite
>>>sports. Recreational obsession triumphs over a weak land ethic.
>>>
>>>I don't accept the whole idea that "wilderness" can remain viable when
>>>so many elements of the city are brought in. Multiple use concepts go
>>>too far. There are adequate places for motorsports and extreme sports
>>>already. People pursuing those activities should blame overpopulation
>>>if they don't like crowds. They can't keep expanding into wild places
>>>or there won't be any left. Many national parks are already tainted by
>>>too many visitors, even if they park their cars and hike.
>>>
>>>R. Lander
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
belts, and jackets before expanding to plastic away pop cans/bottles,
grocery bags, etc.
At that point the whole topic of pesticides and fertilizers comes open.....
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:990gg.1379$sP1.1005@fed1read07...
> Of course, R.Lander is an environmentalist only when it's convenient
> enough. ;)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> R.,
>>
>> Do you drive a car or live in a house heated or cooled by fossil fuels?
>>
>>
>> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149274545.862617.279910@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
>>>>and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>>>
>>>Good point, but mountain climbers aren't exactly environmentalists
>>>either. They seem to be more in it for the challenge of "beating"
>>>nature, like Jeepers crawling over rocks. They use specialized
>>>equipment but not gasoline. Many slopes have been desecrated with
>>>permanent climbing hooks and notches carved into the rock. Dead bodies
>>>are among the trash left behind on high peaks!. People who can't enjoy
>>>nature as-is are always trying to open more of it to their favorite
>>>sports. Recreational obsession triumphs over a weak land ethic.
>>>
>>>I don't accept the whole idea that "wilderness" can remain viable when
>>>so many elements of the city are brought in. Multiple use concepts go
>>>too far. There are adequate places for motorsports and extreme sports
>>>already. People pursuing those activities should blame overpopulation
>>>if they don't like crowds. They can't keep expanding into wild places
>>>or there won't be any left. Many national parks are already tainted by
>>>too many visitors, even if they park their cars and hike.
>>>
>>>R. Lander
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#260
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Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
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> How interesting that the OP has never came back to dispute
> anything. That indicates the typical write-only mentality
> of your basic nut-job.
>
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> DougW
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DougW wrote:
>
> <groups trimmed>
>
> How interesting that the OP has never came back to dispute
> anything. That indicates the typical write-only mentality
> of your basic nut-job.
>
> --
> DougW