Garth Almgren

Around 6/1/2006 9:56 PM, Jeff DeWitt wrote:

> Oh there will be plenty of need, 2008 is coming and no doubt the
> Democrats will come up with another nutcase lefty to run, someone I can
> use that quote against.

Another?? Not a single Democrat candidate at the federal level comes to
mind who could honestly be called a "nutcase."

Now, some of the more localized candidates are borderline, but that's a
whole 'nother ballpark. :)


> I just hope to God the Republicans come up with
> someone good to run against him (or her).

Why should the Republicans have to come up with someone good?
They've done *very* well with the exceedingly bad candidates of the last
few elections...

My advice: Don't fix it if it ain't broken. :)



--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Garth Almgren

Around 6/1/2006 9:56 PM, Jeff DeWitt wrote:

> Oh there will be plenty of need, 2008 is coming and no doubt the
> Democrats will come up with another nutcase lefty to run, someone I can
> use that quote against.

Another?? Not a single Democrat candidate at the federal level comes to
mind who could honestly be called a "nutcase."

Now, some of the more localized candidates are borderline, but that's a
whole 'nother ballpark. :)


> I just hope to God the Republicans come up with
> someone good to run against him (or her).

Why should the Republicans have to come up with someone good?
They've done *very* well with the exceedingly bad candidates of the last
few elections...

My advice: Don't fix it if it ain't broken. :)



--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Garth Almgren

Around 6/1/2006 9:56 PM, Jeff DeWitt wrote:

> Oh there will be plenty of need, 2008 is coming and no doubt the
> Democrats will come up with another nutcase lefty to run, someone I can
> use that quote against.

Another?? Not a single Democrat candidate at the federal level comes to
mind who could honestly be called a "nutcase."

Now, some of the more localized candidates are borderline, but that's a
whole 'nother ballpark. :)


> I just hope to God the Republicans come up with
> someone good to run against him (or her).

Why should the Republicans have to come up with someone good?
They've done *very* well with the exceedingly bad candidates of the last
few elections...

My advice: Don't fix it if it ain't broken. :)



--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Jerry Bransford

My reading for comprehension is just fine. I now understand what you
meant to say but it wasn't exactly written in a way that could not be
misinterpreted.

rick wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50@fed1read07...
>
>>I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY pissed if
>>offroaders were screwing up my plowed fields that I use to earn
>>my living with. But as an active offroader, I wheel with and
>>know no one that would do such a thing. Although ANY sport has
>>its jerks, offroaders today are very respectful of private
>>property and other areas that are off-limits to offroading.
>>"Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most offroaders.
>>Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they do what they
>>please without regards to others.
>>
>>And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "-----" because
>>he got pissed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated
>>fields.
>
> ===================================
> Can't read for comprehension, eh? Try again, i said just the
> opposite. I said "..no farmer I know would be such a ----- about
> people driving through their bean fields.." That comment was
> directed at the poster that claimed he did nothing but 'ask'
> people to leave his fields. The same people numerous times.
>
>
> I'd bet
>
>>big money if someone came onto any of your property that was
>>cultivated and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.
>
> ==========================
> Exactly what I was saying. Do try to keep up...
>
>
>
>>rick wrote:
>>
>>>"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>>>wheeling." I run a
>>>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
>>>>fields are
>>>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
>>>>in my field
>>>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
>>>>around in
>>>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>>>leave only to
>>>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>>>(very small)
>>>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
>>>>the category as
>>>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
>>>>property, I
>>>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>==========================
>>>Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
>>>it a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such
>>>a ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
>>>don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
>>>instead of just bean field)
>>>Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
>>>crops around here, you're going to pay for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

My reading for comprehension is just fine. I now understand what you
meant to say but it wasn't exactly written in a way that could not be
misinterpreted.

rick wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50@fed1read07...
>
>>I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY pissed if
>>offroaders were screwing up my plowed fields that I use to earn
>>my living with. But as an active offroader, I wheel with and
>>know no one that would do such a thing. Although ANY sport has
>>its jerks, offroaders today are very respectful of private
>>property and other areas that are off-limits to offroading.
>>"Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most offroaders.
>>Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they do what they
>>please without regards to others.
>>
>>And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "-----" because
>>he got pissed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated
>>fields.
>
> ===================================
> Can't read for comprehension, eh? Try again, i said just the
> opposite. I said "..no farmer I know would be such a ----- about
> people driving through their bean fields.." That comment was
> directed at the poster that claimed he did nothing but 'ask'
> people to leave his fields. The same people numerous times.
>
>
> I'd bet
>
>>big money if someone came onto any of your property that was
>>cultivated and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.
>
> ==========================
> Exactly what I was saying. Do try to keep up...
>
>
>
>>rick wrote:
>>
>>>"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>>>wheeling." I run a
>>>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
>>>>fields are
>>>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
>>>>in my field
>>>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
>>>>around in
>>>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>>>leave only to
>>>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>>>(very small)
>>>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
>>>>the category as
>>>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
>>>>property, I
>>>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>==========================
>>>Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
>>>it a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such
>>>a ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
>>>don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
>>>instead of just bean field)
>>>Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
>>>crops around here, you're going to pay for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

My reading for comprehension is just fine. I now understand what you
meant to say but it wasn't exactly written in a way that could not be
misinterpreted.

rick wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50@fed1read07...
>
>>I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY pissed if
>>offroaders were screwing up my plowed fields that I use to earn
>>my living with. But as an active offroader, I wheel with and
>>know no one that would do such a thing. Although ANY sport has
>>its jerks, offroaders today are very respectful of private
>>property and other areas that are off-limits to offroading.
>>"Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most offroaders.
>>Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they do what they
>>please without regards to others.
>>
>>And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "-----" because
>>he got pissed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated
>>fields.
>
> ===================================
> Can't read for comprehension, eh? Try again, i said just the
> opposite. I said "..no farmer I know would be such a ----- about
> people driving through their bean fields.." That comment was
> directed at the poster that claimed he did nothing but 'ask'
> people to leave his fields. The same people numerous times.
>
>
> I'd bet
>
>>big money if someone came onto any of your property that was
>>cultivated and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.
>
> ==========================
> Exactly what I was saying. Do try to keep up...
>
>
>
>>rick wrote:
>>
>>>"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>>>wheeling." I run a
>>>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
>>>>fields are
>>>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
>>>>in my field
>>>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
>>>>around in
>>>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>>>leave only to
>>>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>>>(very small)
>>>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
>>>>the category as
>>>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
>>>>property, I
>>>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>==========================
>>>Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
>>>it a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such
>>>a ----- about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
>>>don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
>>>instead of just bean field)
>>>Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
>>>crops around here, you're going to pay for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Coasty

I love hypocritical egregious extremist people, they often have a narrow
view. This is evident in lumping one particular group of people into a
single category and all of them being offenders and not caring what ever the
cause may be also, always touting the sky is falling.

There is the 80/20 rule which has been proven and measured. 80% of the
people are good and do the right thing 20% of the people are dirt bags.

Maybe you should target the 20% and include yourself in the 20% for your
narrow minded lumping of all people in a particular group.

I always laugh at the extremist what ever the cause it is better than the
Last Comic show TV and it is free entertainment.

Coasty
Coasty




"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>

Coasty

I love hypocritical egregious extremist people, they often have a narrow
view. This is evident in lumping one particular group of people into a
single category and all of them being offenders and not caring what ever the
cause may be also, always touting the sky is falling.

There is the 80/20 rule which has been proven and measured. 80% of the
people are good and do the right thing 20% of the people are dirt bags.

Maybe you should target the 20% and include yourself in the 20% for your
narrow minded lumping of all people in a particular group.

I always laugh at the extremist what ever the cause it is better than the
Last Comic show TV and it is free entertainment.

Coasty
Coasty




"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>

Coasty

I love hypocritical egregious extremist people, they often have a narrow
view. This is evident in lumping one particular group of people into a
single category and all of them being offenders and not caring what ever the
cause may be also, always touting the sky is falling.

There is the 80/20 rule which has been proven and measured. 80% of the
people are good and do the right thing 20% of the people are dirt bags.

Maybe you should target the 20% and include yourself in the 20% for your
narrow minded lumping of all people in a particular group.

I always laugh at the extremist what ever the cause it is better than the
Last Comic show TV and it is free entertainment.

Coasty
Coasty




"R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>

Dave Milne

Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:ziLfg.2771$Oh1.1272@news01.roc.ny...
> What utter -------- !!! What makes you think any one group is any more
> responsible for leaving trash on the trails ? Where I hike I see the same
> trash on the trails and these are hiking trails only. It's not unusual to
> hike in 6-8 miles and find beer bottles and cans, candy wrappers, plastic
> bottles, empty propane cylinders and anything else you can imagine. I
just
> can't figure out how someone can manage to hike in with a case of beer but
> can't carry the empties out. Some people are just slobs, the method of
> transportation does not matter. It is a few bad apples that ruin things
for
> everyone else.