>
>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber, but factory loads are 'dumbed
>down' so they don't exceed pressure tolerances in old rifles like the
>Trapdoor Springfields.
>
>You can hand load 45/70 to perform to the limits of more modern rifles,
>
>but if that's not your bag, consider the .450


That's all true.... I forgot to mention that. I handload for my 45/70 so I
load my hunting rounds to 450 Marlin pressures.

I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our advice and buys a .450 or
45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil! A hot load from my 45/70 Guide Gun
is a very intense experience.

But it is indeed a heck of a caliber. THe Hammerhead loads, for example, are
proven to shoot through a Cape Buffalo... lengthwise!

-jeff

 

Handywired proclaimed:

>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber, but factory loads are 'dumbed
>>down' so they don't exceed pressure tolerances in old rifles like the
>>Trapdoor Springfields.
>>
>>You can hand load 45/70 to perform to the limits of more modern rifles,
>>
>>but if that's not your bag, consider the .450
>
>
>
> That's all true.... I forgot to mention that. I handload for my 45/70 so I
> load my hunting rounds to 450 Marlin pressures.
>
> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our advice and buys a .450 or
> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil! A hot load from my 45/70 Guide Gun
> is a very intense experience.
>
> But it is indeed a heck of a caliber. THe Hammerhead loads, for example, are
> proven to shoot through a Cape Buffalo... lengthwise!

Well heck, if he is gonna load up for ticked off grizzly bears, why
not just go all the way to the .50 caliber rifle?

For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I'd
agree with the 30-06 recommend. It can handle anything found in
Montana in the hands of a reasonably good shooter with moderate
recoil that can be tamed by a good stock.

In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
.264, 7mm or .300 magnums, particularly the .264 that you can run
light rounds for serious crosswind varminting or load up for elk,
antelope, etc.

Of course getting in good with the local handloaders is nice.

 

Handywired proclaimed:

>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber, but factory loads are 'dumbed
>>down' so they don't exceed pressure tolerances in old rifles like the
>>Trapdoor Springfields.
>>
>>You can hand load 45/70 to perform to the limits of more modern rifles,
>>
>>but if that's not your bag, consider the .450
>
>
>
> That's all true.... I forgot to mention that. I handload for my 45/70 so I
> load my hunting rounds to 450 Marlin pressures.
>
> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our advice and buys a .450 or
> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil! A hot load from my 45/70 Guide Gun
> is a very intense experience.
>
> But it is indeed a heck of a caliber. THe Hammerhead loads, for example, are
> proven to shoot through a Cape Buffalo... lengthwise!

Well heck, if he is gonna load up for ticked off grizzly bears, why
not just go all the way to the .50 caliber rifle?

For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I'd
agree with the 30-06 recommend. It can handle anything found in
Montana in the hands of a reasonably good shooter with moderate
recoil that can be tamed by a good stock.

In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
.264, 7mm or .300 magnums, particularly the .264 that you can run
light rounds for serious crosswind varminting or load up for elk,
antelope, etc.

Of course getting in good with the local handloaders is nice.

 

Handywired proclaimed:

>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber, but factory loads are 'dumbed
>>down' so they don't exceed pressure tolerances in old rifles like the
>>Trapdoor Springfields.
>>
>>You can hand load 45/70 to perform to the limits of more modern rifles,
>>
>>but if that's not your bag, consider the .450
>
>
>
> That's all true.... I forgot to mention that. I handload for my 45/70 so I
> load my hunting rounds to 450 Marlin pressures.
>
> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our advice and buys a .450 or
> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil! A hot load from my 45/70 Guide Gun
> is a very intense experience.
>
> But it is indeed a heck of a caliber. THe Hammerhead loads, for example, are
> proven to shoot through a Cape Buffalo... lengthwise!

Well heck, if he is gonna load up for ticked off grizzly bears, why
not just go all the way to the .50 caliber rifle?

For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I'd
agree with the 30-06 recommend. It can handle anything found in
Montana in the hands of a reasonably good shooter with moderate
recoil that can be tamed by a good stock.

In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
.264, 7mm or .300 magnums, particularly the .264 that you can run
light rounds for serious crosswind varminting or load up for elk,
antelope, etc.

Of course getting in good with the local handloaders is nice.

 

Handywired proclaimed:

>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber, but factory loads are 'dumbed
>>down' so they don't exceed pressure tolerances in old rifles like the
>>Trapdoor Springfields.
>>
>>You can hand load 45/70 to perform to the limits of more modern rifles,
>>
>>but if that's not your bag, consider the .450
>
>
>
> That's all true.... I forgot to mention that. I handload for my 45/70 so I
> load my hunting rounds to 450 Marlin pressures.
>
> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our advice and buys a .450 or
> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil! A hot load from my 45/70 Guide Gun
> is a very intense experience.
>
> But it is indeed a heck of a caliber. THe Hammerhead loads, for example, are
> proven to shoot through a Cape Buffalo... lengthwise!

Well heck, if he is gonna load up for ticked off grizzly bears, why
not just go all the way to the .50 caliber rifle?

For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I'd
agree with the 30-06 recommend. It can handle anything found in
Montana in the hands of a reasonably good shooter with moderate
recoil that can be tamed by a good stock.

In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
.264, 7mm or .300 magnums, particularly the .264 that you can run
light rounds for serious crosswind varminting or load up for elk,
antelope, etc.

Of course getting in good with the local handloaders is nice.

 

>
>>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber,

>> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our >>advice and buys a
..450 or
>> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil!

> For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I' agree
with the 30-06 recommend.
> In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
..264, 7mm or .300 magnums,

Yeah, but if he's used to hunting with a 30-30, he's not anywhere near the kind
of rifleman yet who should even consider a 500-yard shot at game. In fact it's
my opinion that the percentage of people who have any business shooting that
long at big game is miniscule. There is a LOT that can go wrong at 500 yards.

So I'll stick with my advice of a 30-06... that'll do out to 300 yards at
that's a long way to shoot.

My own personal favorite deer caliber is 7mm-08, but then again I don't live in
Montana.

-jeff

 

>
>>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber,

>> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our >>advice and buys a
..450 or
>> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil!

> For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I' agree
with the 30-06 recommend.
> In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
..264, 7mm or .300 magnums,

Yeah, but if he's used to hunting with a 30-30, he's not anywhere near the kind
of rifleman yet who should even consider a 500-yard shot at game. In fact it's
my opinion that the percentage of people who have any business shooting that
long at big game is miniscule. There is a LOT that can go wrong at 500 yards.

So I'll stick with my advice of a 30-06... that'll do out to 300 yards at
that's a long way to shoot.

My own personal favorite deer caliber is 7mm-08, but then again I don't live in
Montana.

-jeff

 

>
>>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber,

>> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our >>advice and buys a
..450 or
>> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil!

> For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I' agree
with the 30-06 recommend.
> In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
..264, 7mm or .300 magnums,

Yeah, but if he's used to hunting with a 30-30, he's not anywhere near the kind
of rifleman yet who should even consider a 500-yard shot at game. In fact it's
my opinion that the percentage of people who have any business shooting that
long at big game is miniscule. There is a LOT that can go wrong at 500 yards.

So I'll stick with my advice of a 30-06... that'll do out to 300 yards at
that's a long way to shoot.

My own personal favorite deer caliber is 7mm-08, but then again I don't live in
Montana.

-jeff

 

>
>>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber,

>> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our >>advice and buys a
..450 or
>> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil!

> For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I' agree
with the 30-06 recommend.
> In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
..264, 7mm or .300 magnums,

Yeah, but if he's used to hunting with a 30-30, he's not anywhere near the kind
of rifleman yet who should even consider a 500-yard shot at game. In fact it's
my opinion that the percentage of people who have any business shooting that
long at big game is miniscule. There is a LOT that can go wrong at 500 yards.

So I'll stick with my advice of a 30-06... that'll do out to 300 yards at
that's a long way to shoot.

My own personal favorite deer caliber is 7mm-08, but then again I don't live in
Montana.

-jeff

 

If I had to make kills at 300 yards with my 30-06 to stay alive, I wonder if
I could keep from starving long enough to get my first kill. 300 yards is a
long ways off. Hell, 200 yards off is a long ways off without some sort of
a good support and concentration. ;)

Jerry
--
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http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040729003627.19087.00002424@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >
> >>>45/70 is a great bush/timber caliber,
>
> >> I should also mention to Nathan that if he takes our >>advice and buys
a
> .450 or
> >> 45/70, be prepared for some serious recoil!
>
> > For the best compromise of price, ammo cost, available models, I'
agree
> with the 30-06 recommend.
> > In open Montana country or ranges of 400-500 yards, I still prefer the
> .264, 7mm or .300 magnums,
>
> Yeah, but if he's used to hunting with a 30-30, he's not anywhere near the
kind
> of rifleman yet who should even consider a 500-yard shot at game. In fact
it's
> my opinion that the percentage of people who have any business shooting
that
> long at big game is miniscule. There is a LOT that can go wrong at 500
yards.
>
> So I'll stick with my advice of a 30-06... that'll do out to 300 yards at
> that's a long way to shoot.
>
> My own personal favorite deer caliber is 7mm-08, but then again I don't
live in
> Montana.
>
> -jeff