Re: TJ vs. JK
About what? It really was from ATT News who is a longtime friend, but
someone who I constantly disagree with. "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. .. > You almost had me convinced! :-) > > <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really. >> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but >> not with that ignoramus, Dik >> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to >> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha.. >> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit >> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a >> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else. >> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their >> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin >> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo. >> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.") >> >> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on >> the letters J and >> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way. >> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully >> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and >> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous >> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined >> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways. >> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and >> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports, >> bleated. >> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum >> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements. >> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is >> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced, >> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive." >> >> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious >> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and >> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one >> of the new Jeep "thingies." >> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line >> " becomes. >> >> Es Verdad. >> >> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of >> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked. >> >> >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released >>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of >>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real >>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't >>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews? >>> >>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com... >>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter >>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to >>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version. >>>> >>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and >>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to >>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective >>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a >>>> REAL >>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have >>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely >>>> nothing wrong with that. >>>> >>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want >>>> is >>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>, >>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has >>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is >>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line! >>>>> >>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and >>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like >>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy." >>>>> >>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds >>>>> like an offroader's dream! >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: TJ vs. JK
About what? It really was from ATT News who is a longtime friend, but
someone who I constantly disagree with. "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. .. > You almost had me convinced! :-) > > <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really. >> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but >> not with that ignoramus, Dik >> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to >> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha.. >> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit >> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a >> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else. >> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their >> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin >> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo. >> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.") >> >> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on >> the letters J and >> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way. >> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully >> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and >> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous >> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined >> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways. >> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and >> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports, >> bleated. >> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum >> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements. >> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is >> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced, >> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive." >> >> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious >> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and >> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one >> of the new Jeep "thingies." >> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line >> " becomes. >> >> Es Verdad. >> >> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of >> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked. >> >> >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released >>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of >>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real >>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't >>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews? >>> >>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com... >>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter >>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to >>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version. >>>> >>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and >>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to >>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective >>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a >>>> REAL >>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have >>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely >>>> nothing wrong with that. >>>> >>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want >>>> is >>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>, >>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has >>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is >>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line! >>>>> >>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and >>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like >>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy." >>>>> >>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds >>>>> like an offroader's dream! >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: TJ vs. JK
About what? It really was from ATT News who is a longtime friend, but
someone who I constantly disagree with. "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:fvydnV1sbvey0zjbnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com. .. > You almost had me convinced! :-) > > <jcarter10@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:caadnXXcHYijpTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Thank you, Matt. I not only remember att news, I AM att news. really. >> I have not gone away, I have just been in an undisclosed location., but >> not with that ignoramus, Dik >> chainey. I am using a friend's computer, as I no longer have access to >> Outlook express, and people with narrow minds...Ha ha.. >> Time was, having a Jeep identified one as being just a little bit >> different, a little bit daring, perhaps. It certainly meant one was not a >> follower, or one who wanted to be just like everyone else. >> Chrylser never cought on, the dummies, that trying to make their >> so-called Jeeps just like all the other land barges would dilute and ruin >> the pedigree, somewhat like crossing a sleek Greyhound with a fat hippo. >> which is what krysler has done. (See "Liberty.") >> >> Krysler's dunces thought they could build any old thing and paste on >> the letters J and >> ee and P and make a Jeep. No way. >> Chrysler engineers (?) and stylists (?) were jealous (and rightfully >> so, considering their other poor-selling junk) of AMC's artistically and >> skillfully designed wide product line. Chrysler borrowed Ford's famous >> slogan, "Cheap is job One," and ruined >> amc's XJ in oh, so many ways. >> The Liberty looks like a fat, bloated Bulldog with long legs, and >> handles like one as well. "Tippy-over-easy," as consumer reports, >> bleated. >> If Chrysler bought the Empire State building they would put aluminum >> awnings on its windows, and would brag about their improvements. >> The new, so-called wrangler, is a grotesque, cartoon-like jeep. It is >> a mucked-up charicature. over-blown, over-stuffed, over-priced, >> clumsy-looking, and a sad attempt by chrysler to seem "progressive." >> >> I could go on, but I don't want to get started. No serious >> sportsman, off-roader, or anyone sensitive to good esthetics and >> beautiful proportions and intelligent engineering would even consider one >> of the new Jeep "thingies." >> The more people that "Jeep" appeals to, the weaker the Jeep "blood-line >> " becomes. >> >> Es Verdad. >> >> The above opinions are not necessarily subscribed to by the owner of >> the computer that att-news has temporarily hi-jacked. >> >> >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:4uidnZIni7JrXwPbnZ2dnUVZ_rignZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released >>> there was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of >>> the suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real >>> Jeep!) I think with every redesign you get purists that just can't >>> handle it, and long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews? >>> >>> "Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com... >>>> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter >>>> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to >>>> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version. >>>> >>>> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and >>>> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to >>>> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective >>>> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a >>>> REAL >>>> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have >>>> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely >>>> nothing wrong with that. >>>> >>>> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want >>>> is >>>> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>, >>>> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has >>>>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is >>>>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line! >>>>> >>>>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and >>>>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like >>>>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy." >>>>> >>>>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds >>>>> like an offroader's dream! >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: TJ vs. JK
I loved all of the new changes between the YJ and the TJ. That's what
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way except the soft top was better. tw Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there > was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the > suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I > think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and > long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews? |
Re: TJ vs. JK
I loved all of the new changes between the YJ and the TJ. That's what
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way except the soft top was better. tw Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there > was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the > suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I > think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and > long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews? |
Re: TJ vs. JK
I loved all of the new changes between the YJ and the TJ. That's what
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way except the soft top was better. tw Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there > was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the > suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I > think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and > long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews? |
Re: TJ vs. JK
I loved all of the new changes between the YJ and the TJ. That's what
made me buy my '99 TJ back in the day. I'd had a 90 YJ and a couple of CJ7s previously. I've never felt the YJ was an improvement in any way except the soft top was better. tw Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there > was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the > suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I > think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and > long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews? |
Re: TJ vs. JK
Brian wrote:
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor > signal-to-noise ratio. > > I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the > biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah! > > > B Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum. tw |
Re: TJ vs. JK
Brian wrote:
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor > signal-to-noise ratio. > > I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the > biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah! > > > B Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum. tw |
Re: TJ vs. JK
Brian wrote:
> attnews was the first person on RAMJ+W I ever killfiled. ;) Very poor > signal-to-noise ratio. > > I also remember folks saying that leaf spring conversions would be the > biggest after-market "upgrade" for TJs. Hah! > > > B Yeah, that guy was a PIA. One subject, one focus, ad nauseum. tw |
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