TJ vs. JK
 

I have been reading some of the specs on the JK Rubicon
Unlimited.... front and rear lockers you can activate with the
flick of a switch? dana 44s front and rear? 32" tires standard, no
lift kit needed?? 4.10 gear ratio, 4:1 compression, and a six speed
manual? And all with a factory warranty!!! Sounds like the most
capable stock jeep EVER. You might even be able to stick 33s or 34s
on it straight out of the showroom! Not to mention, it can tow 3500
pounds.... I might finally be able to get rid of the separate tow
vehicle I had to keep for my jet skis and ATVs because my TJ couldn't
tow over 2000 lbs!

As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!

But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
"the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."

Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
like an offroader's dream!

I remember when the TJ came out, people scoffed and said it would
never be as good as the YJ. And when the YJ came out, people swore
they'd never give up the CJ. I'm too young to remember when the CJ
first hit the market, but I'm willing to bet people were dissing it
when compared to the Willys.

So... is all this anti-JK sentiment just "sour grapes" but people
who are slow to change (and perhaps a bit unhappy/jealous that they
bought a TJ and now something has eclipsed it)? Or is there some
real, material failing in the JK that I need to be aware of before
trekking to a dealership to lay down my cash for one?

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

<txjeep7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>I have been reading some of the specs on the JK Rubicon
> Unlimited.... front and rear lockers you can activate with the
> flick of a switch? dana 44s front and rear? 32" tires standard, no
> lift kit needed?? 4.10 gear ratio, 4:1 compression, and a six speed
> manual? And all with a factory warranty!!! Sounds like the most
> capable stock jeep EVER. You might even be able to stick 33s or 34s
> on it straight out of the showroom! Not to mention, it can tow 3500
> pounds.... I might finally be able to get rid of the separate tow
> vehicle I had to keep for my jet skis and ATVs because my TJ couldn't
> tow over 2000 lbs!
>
> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>
> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>
> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
> like an offroader's dream!
>
> I remember when the TJ came out, people scoffed and said it would
> never be as good as the YJ. And when the YJ came out, people swore
> they'd never give up the CJ. I'm too young to remember when the CJ
> first hit the market, but I'm willing to bet people were dissing it
> when compared to the Willys.
>
> So... is all this anti-JK sentiment just "sour grapes" but people
> who are slow to change (and perhaps a bit unhappy/jealous that they
> bought a TJ and now something has eclipsed it)? Or is there some
> real, material failing in the JK that I need to be aware of before
> trekking to a dealership to lay down my cash for one?
>

I looked at buying a JK myself. The appeal of the 4 door and the three piece
top were additions that I was the most set towards.
I found it to be still very much a Wrangler and I enjoyed driving it.
With that said, at the end of the drive I had decided not to buy a JK and to
keep my YJ. My reasons being that I found myself really cramped against the
door of the JK, and I'm not a very larger person by any means, and I found
that the 3.8V6 just was not enough engine for my liking. Granted my YJ is no
sports car, but with it's 33's on 3.07's, my 4.0 could give me much more
pull than the 3.8V6 seemed to be giving me.

In a couple of years I will test drive another one and see if what I didn't
like has been changed or not. Until then, I'll keep me YJ.

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

<txjeep7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>I have been reading some of the specs on the JK Rubicon
> Unlimited.... front and rear lockers you can activate with the
> flick of a switch? dana 44s front and rear? 32" tires standard, no
> lift kit needed?? 4.10 gear ratio, 4:1 compression, and a six speed
> manual? And all with a factory warranty!!! Sounds like the most
> capable stock jeep EVER. You might even be able to stick 33s or 34s
> on it straight out of the showroom! Not to mention, it can tow 3500
> pounds.... I might finally be able to get rid of the separate tow
> vehicle I had to keep for my jet skis and ATVs because my TJ couldn't
> tow over 2000 lbs!
>
> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>
> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>
> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
> like an offroader's dream!
>
> I remember when the TJ came out, people scoffed and said it would
> never be as good as the YJ. And when the YJ came out, people swore
> they'd never give up the CJ. I'm too young to remember when the CJ
> first hit the market, but I'm willing to bet people were dissing it
> when compared to the Willys.
>
> So... is all this anti-JK sentiment just "sour grapes" but people
> who are slow to change (and perhaps a bit unhappy/jealous that they
> bought a TJ and now something has eclipsed it)? Or is there some
> real, material failing in the JK that I need to be aware of before
> trekking to a dealership to lay down my cash for one?
>

I looked at buying a JK myself. The appeal of the 4 door and the three piece
top were additions that I was the most set towards.
I found it to be still very much a Wrangler and I enjoyed driving it.
With that said, at the end of the drive I had decided not to buy a JK and to
keep my YJ. My reasons being that I found myself really cramped against the
door of the JK, and I'm not a very larger person by any means, and I found
that the 3.8V6 just was not enough engine for my liking. Granted my YJ is no
sports car, but with it's 33's on 3.07's, my 4.0 could give me much more
pull than the 3.8V6 seemed to be giving me.

In a couple of years I will test drive another one and see if what I didn't
like has been changed or not. Until then, I'll keep me YJ.

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

<txjeep7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>I have been reading some of the specs on the JK Rubicon
> Unlimited.... front and rear lockers you can activate with the
> flick of a switch? dana 44s front and rear? 32" tires standard, no
> lift kit needed?? 4.10 gear ratio, 4:1 compression, and a six speed
> manual? And all with a factory warranty!!! Sounds like the most
> capable stock jeep EVER. You might even be able to stick 33s or 34s
> on it straight out of the showroom! Not to mention, it can tow 3500
> pounds.... I might finally be able to get rid of the separate tow
> vehicle I had to keep for my jet skis and ATVs because my TJ couldn't
> tow over 2000 lbs!
>
> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>
> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>
> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
> like an offroader's dream!
>
> I remember when the TJ came out, people scoffed and said it would
> never be as good as the YJ. And when the YJ came out, people swore
> they'd never give up the CJ. I'm too young to remember when the CJ
> first hit the market, but I'm willing to bet people were dissing it
> when compared to the Willys.
>
> So... is all this anti-JK sentiment just "sour grapes" but people
> who are slow to change (and perhaps a bit unhappy/jealous that they
> bought a TJ and now something has eclipsed it)? Or is there some
> real, material failing in the JK that I need to be aware of before
> trekking to a dealership to lay down my cash for one?
>

I looked at buying a JK myself. The appeal of the 4 door and the three piece
top were additions that I was the most set towards.
I found it to be still very much a Wrangler and I enjoyed driving it.
With that said, at the end of the drive I had decided not to buy a JK and to
keep my YJ. My reasons being that I found myself really cramped against the
door of the JK, and I'm not a very larger person by any means, and I found
that the 3.8V6 just was not enough engine for my liking. Granted my YJ is no
sports car, but with it's 33's on 3.07's, my 4.0 could give me much more
pull than the 3.8V6 seemed to be giving me.

In a couple of years I will test drive another one and see if what I didn't
like has been changed or not. Until then, I'll keep me YJ.

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

<txjeep7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>I have been reading some of the specs on the JK Rubicon
> Unlimited.... front and rear lockers you can activate with the
> flick of a switch? dana 44s front and rear? 32" tires standard, no
> lift kit needed?? 4.10 gear ratio, 4:1 compression, and a six speed
> manual? And all with a factory warranty!!! Sounds like the most
> capable stock jeep EVER. You might even be able to stick 33s or 34s
> on it straight out of the showroom! Not to mention, it can tow 3500
> pounds.... I might finally be able to get rid of the separate tow
> vehicle I had to keep for my jet skis and ATVs because my TJ couldn't
> tow over 2000 lbs!
>
> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>
> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>
> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
> like an offroader's dream!
>
> I remember when the TJ came out, people scoffed and said it would
> never be as good as the YJ. And when the YJ came out, people swore
> they'd never give up the CJ. I'm too young to remember when the CJ
> first hit the market, but I'm willing to bet people were dissing it
> when compared to the Willys.
>
> So... is all this anti-JK sentiment just "sour grapes" but people
> who are slow to change (and perhaps a bit unhappy/jealous that they
> bought a TJ and now something has eclipsed it)? Or is there some
> real, material failing in the JK that I need to be aware of before
> trekking to a dealership to lay down my cash for one?
>

I looked at buying a JK myself. The appeal of the 4 door and the three piece
top were additions that I was the most set towards.
I found it to be still very much a Wrangler and I enjoyed driving it.
With that said, at the end of the drive I had decided not to buy a JK and to
keep my YJ. My reasons being that I found myself really cramped against the
door of the JK, and I'm not a very larger person by any means, and I found
that the 3.8V6 just was not enough engine for my liking. Granted my YJ is no
sports car, but with it's 33's on 3.07's, my 4.0 could give me much more
pull than the 3.8V6 seemed to be giving me.

In a couple of years I will test drive another one and see if what I didn't
like has been changed or not. Until then, I'll keep me YJ.

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.

What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a REAL
Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
nothing wrong with that.

I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want is
a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.

B

In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:

>
> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>
> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>
> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
> like an offroader's dream!
>

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.

What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a REAL
Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
nothing wrong with that.

I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want is
a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.

B

In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:

>
> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>
> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>
> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
> like an offroader's dream!
>

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.

What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a REAL
Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
nothing wrong with that.

I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want is
a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.

B

In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:

>
> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>
> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>
> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
> like an offroader's dream!
>

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.

What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a REAL
Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
nothing wrong with that.

I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want is
a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.

B

In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:

>
> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>
> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>
> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
> like an offroader's dream!
>

Re: TJ vs. JK
 

It must be said that in mid-96 when the '97 Wrangler TJ was released there
was a huge uproar over the redesign, mainly with the redesign of the
suspension. (No leaf springs? No bone-jarring ride? It's not a Real Jeep!) I
think with every redesign you get purists that just can't handle it, and
long for the good old days. Anyone here remember attnews?

"Brian" <bsheller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:bsheller-A1AB09.21374718072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> It's just different. Maybe some good, maybe some bad. It's all a matter
> of taste. Many people have an emotional and/or personal attachment to
> the TJ, and many might just love the capabilities of the new version.
>
> What you're missing is that people just have different tastes and
> different opinions, that's all. And those people will attempt to
> rationalize their subjective personal feelings by citing the objective
> physical differences. "Electronic stability control??? That's not a REAL
> Jeep!!!" What they really mean is, "I don't want MY Jeep to have
> complicated electronics, I like it the old way." There's absolutely
> nothing wrong with that.
>
> I'll bet the JKs do AWESOME off-road and on-road. But the Jeep I want is
> a 2006 Rubicon Unlimited. Just my personal preference.
>
> B
>
> In article <1184791538.410883.168290@j4g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
> txjeep7@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> As soon as I saw the photos and read the first specs, my heart has
>> been racing with desire. Pamela Anderson move over, all my lust is
>> for the latest and greatest off the Chrysler assembly line!
>>
>> But wait. There seems to be a derisive undercurrent of scorn and
>> disappointment here on the jeep group. People are saying things like
>> "the TJ is the last wrangler I'll ever buy."
>>
>> Why?????? What am I missing? What's wrong with the JK... it sounds
>> like an offroader's dream!
>>