TJ towing capacity
07-10-2005, 11:09 AM
#11
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Re: TJ towing capacity
I tow with my TJ and it will pull alot but won't stop much. I have the Auto
Trans with a cooler and Temp guage and don't see much rise in temp with
normal loads 12 to 1500 lbs. Stopping scares me in an emergency.
Tom
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:G2aAe.3280$BK1.2862@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
> will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
> towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
> want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
> change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make it
> that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear end
> around.
>
> Patrick wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
>> a single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
>> could tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
Trans with a cooler and Temp guage and don't see much rise in temp with
normal loads 12 to 1500 lbs. Stopping scares me in an emergency.
Tom
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:G2aAe.3280$BK1.2862@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
> will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
> towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
> want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
> change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make it
> that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear end
> around.
>
> Patrick wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
>> a single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
>> could tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
07-10-2005, 11:09 AM
#12
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Posts: n/a
Re: TJ towing capacity
I tow with my TJ and it will pull alot but won't stop much. I have the Auto
Trans with a cooler and Temp guage and don't see much rise in temp with
normal loads 12 to 1500 lbs. Stopping scares me in an emergency.
Tom
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:G2aAe.3280$BK1.2862@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
> will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
> towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
> want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
> change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make it
> that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear end
> around.
>
> Patrick wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
>> a single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
>> could tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
Trans with a cooler and Temp guage and don't see much rise in temp with
normal loads 12 to 1500 lbs. Stopping scares me in an emergency.
Tom
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:G2aAe.3280$BK1.2862@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
> will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
> towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
> want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
> change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make it
> that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear end
> around.
>
> Patrick wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
>> a single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
>> could tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
07-10-2005, 11:09 AM
#13
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Posts: n/a
Re: TJ towing capacity
I tow with my TJ and it will pull alot but won't stop much. I have the Auto
Trans with a cooler and Temp guage and don't see much rise in temp with
normal loads 12 to 1500 lbs. Stopping scares me in an emergency.
Tom
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:G2aAe.3280$BK1.2862@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
> will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
> towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
> want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
> change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make it
> that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear end
> around.
>
> Patrick wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
>> a single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
>> could tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
Trans with a cooler and Temp guage and don't see much rise in temp with
normal loads 12 to 1500 lbs. Stopping scares me in an emergency.
Tom
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:G2aAe.3280$BK1.2862@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> There is a big difference between what the TJ will pull versus what it
> will stop in an accident situation. On the western side of the water,
> towing capacity is based on 70 mph freeway speeds. I certainly would not
> want to tow your 1200 KG at 100kph and then try and make a severe lane
> change while braking, much less do it in the rain. Overrun brakes make it
> that much worse in the lane change scanario, it just shoves the rear end
> around.
>
> Patrick wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
>> a single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
>> could tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
07-10-2005, 01:04 PM
#14
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Re: TJ towing capacity
Right, my horse trailer is braked and has two axles, the center of gravity
is very low.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> a écrit dans le message de news:
nT7Ae.66648$G8.34771@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover
> !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read
>> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
> a
>> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
> could
>> tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
is very low.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> a écrit dans le message de news:
nT7Ae.66648$G8.34771@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover
> !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read
>> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
> a
>> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
> could
>> tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-10-2005, 01:04 PM
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ towing capacity
Right, my horse trailer is braked and has two axles, the center of gravity
is very low.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> a écrit dans le message de news:
nT7Ae.66648$G8.34771@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover
> !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read
>> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
> a
>> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
> could
>> tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
is very low.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> a écrit dans le message de news:
nT7Ae.66648$G8.34771@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover
> !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read
>> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
> a
>> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
> could
>> tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-10-2005, 01:04 PM
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ towing capacity
Right, my horse trailer is braked and has two axles, the center of gravity
is very low.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> a écrit dans le message de news:
nT7Ae.66648$G8.34771@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover
> !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read
>> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
> a
>> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
> could
>> tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
is very low.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> a écrit dans le message de news:
nT7Ae.66648$G8.34771@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover
> !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read
>> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
> a
>> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
> could
>> tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-10-2005, 01:04 PM
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ towing capacity
Right, my horse trailer is braked and has two axles, the center of gravity
is very low.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> a écrit dans le message de news:
nT7Ae.66648$G8.34771@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover
> !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read
>> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
> a
>> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
> could
>> tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
is very low.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> a écrit dans le message de news:
nT7Ae.66648$G8.34771@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover
> !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Patrick" <billardpatrick@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:42d1005a$0$22289$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
>> Hi,
>> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i
>> read
>> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
>> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
>> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
>> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
>> Quite a difference !
>> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
>> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without
> a
>> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car
> could
>> tow much more.
>> Was i crazy ? Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
>> regulation between US and Europe ?
>> Thanks for your answers.
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-10-2005, 03:38 PM
#18
Guest
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Re: TJ towing capacity
You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 03:38 PM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ towing capacity
You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 03:38 PM
#20
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ towing capacity
You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
