TJ towing capacity
07-10-2005, 03:38 PM
#21
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Re: TJ towing capacity
You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>
> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>
> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin axle
> job
> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> type and
> the single axle type is significant.
>
> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> couldn't allow you
> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk unstability.
>
> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> Defender which
> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93" wheel
> base)
>
> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> Trailer with Brakes:
> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>
> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than LandRover !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 03:46 PM
#22
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Re: TJ towing capacity
I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
unconvinced.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D1792C.FFDCC514@***.net...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >
> > The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> > The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> > but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >
> > My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
axle
> > job
> > with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with
this
> > type and
> > the single axle type is significant.
> >
> > I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >
> > The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> > couldn't allow you
> > to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
unstability.
> >
> > Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> > Defender which
> > I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
wheel
> > base)
> >
> > Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> > Trailer with Brakes:
> > Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> > On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> > On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >
> > If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
LandRover !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
unconvinced.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D1792C.FFDCC514@***.net...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >
> > The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> > The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> > but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >
> > My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
axle
> > job
> > with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with
this
> > type and
> > the single axle type is significant.
> >
> > I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >
> > The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> > couldn't allow you
> > to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
unstability.
> >
> > Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> > Defender which
> > I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
wheel
> > base)
> >
> > Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> > Trailer with Brakes:
> > Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> > On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> > On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >
> > If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
LandRover !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 03:46 PM
#23
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Re: TJ towing capacity
I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
unconvinced.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D1792C.FFDCC514@***.net...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >
> > The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> > The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> > but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >
> > My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
axle
> > job
> > with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with
this
> > type and
> > the single axle type is significant.
> >
> > I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >
> > The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> > couldn't allow you
> > to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
unstability.
> >
> > Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> > Defender which
> > I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
wheel
> > base)
> >
> > Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> > Trailer with Brakes:
> > Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> > On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> > On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >
> > If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
LandRover !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
unconvinced.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D1792C.FFDCC514@***.net...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >
> > The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> > The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> > but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >
> > My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
axle
> > job
> > with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with
this
> > type and
> > the single axle type is significant.
> >
> > I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >
> > The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> > couldn't allow you
> > to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
unstability.
> >
> > Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> > Defender which
> > I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
wheel
> > base)
> >
> > Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> > Trailer with Brakes:
> > Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> > On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> > On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >
> > If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
LandRover !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 03:46 PM
#24
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Re: TJ towing capacity
I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
unconvinced.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D1792C.FFDCC514@***.net...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >
> > The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> > The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> > but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >
> > My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
axle
> > job
> > with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with
this
> > type and
> > the single axle type is significant.
> >
> > I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >
> > The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> > couldn't allow you
> > to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
unstability.
> >
> > Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> > Defender which
> > I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
wheel
> > base)
> >
> > Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> > Trailer with Brakes:
> > Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> > On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> > On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >
> > If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
LandRover !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
unconvinced.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D1792C.FFDCC514@***.net...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >
> > The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> > The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> > but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >
> > My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
axle
> > job
> > with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with
this
> > type and
> > the single axle type is significant.
> >
> > I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >
> > The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> > couldn't allow you
> > to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
unstability.
> >
> > Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> > Defender which
> > I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
wheel
> > base)
> >
> > Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> > Trailer with Brakes:
> > Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> > On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> > On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >
> > If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
LandRover !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 03:46 PM
#25
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Re: TJ towing capacity
I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
unconvinced.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D1792C.FFDCC514@***.net...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >
> > The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> > The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> > but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >
> > My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
axle
> > job
> > with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with
this
> > type and
> > the single axle type is significant.
> >
> > I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >
> > The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> > couldn't allow you
> > to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
unstability.
> >
> > Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> > Defender which
> > I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
wheel
> > base)
> >
> > Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> > Trailer with Brakes:
> > Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> > On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> > On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >
> > If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
LandRover !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
unconvinced.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D1792C.FFDCC514@***.net...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >
> > The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> > The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> > but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >
> > My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
axle
> > job
> > with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with
this
> > type and
> > the single axle type is significant.
> >
> > I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >
> > The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> > couldn't allow you
> > to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
unstability.
> >
> > Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> > Defender which
> > I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
wheel
> > base)
> >
> > Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> > Trailer with Brakes:
> > Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> > On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> > On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >
> > If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
LandRover !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 04:05 PM
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Re: TJ towing capacity
True: http://www.geocities.com/jeepaccident/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
> Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> unconvinced.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
> Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> unconvinced.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 04:05 PM
#27
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Re: TJ towing capacity
True: http://www.geocities.com/jeepaccident/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
> Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> unconvinced.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
> Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> unconvinced.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 04:05 PM
#28
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Re: TJ towing capacity
True: http://www.geocities.com/jeepaccident/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
> Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> unconvinced.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
> Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> unconvinced.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 04:05 PM
#29
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Re: TJ towing capacity
True: http://www.geocities.com/jeepaccident/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
> Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> unconvinced.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44 ?
> Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> unconvinced.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
07-10-2005, 07:14 PM
#30
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Re: TJ towing capacity
Apparently, the Liberty has the same towing capacity as the Grand Wagoneer..
ha ha.
which leads consumerguide.com to quote "Liberty's 5000-lb towing capacity is
tops among compact SUVs."
I bet it is ...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D17F91.E3A34AD@***.net...
> True: http://www.geocities.com/jeepaccident/
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44
?
> > Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> > implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> > unconvinced.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
ha ha.
which leads consumerguide.com to quote "Liberty's 5000-lb towing capacity is
tops among compact SUVs."
I bet it is ...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D17F91.E3A34AD@***.net...
> True: http://www.geocities.com/jeepaccident/
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I didn't mention that bit as I'm thought all export TJs have the Dana 44
?
> > Having said that, the XJ with the Dana 35c can tow more than the TJ
> > implying that Jeep don't consider the axles an issue. Like you, I'm
> > unconvinced.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ