SUVs and Rollovers
#41
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
Not as much as not being an inexperienced and drunk teenager behind the
wheel.
Rollbars add weight. This would only ADD to the stability problems,
especially when combined with inexperienced drivers and alcohol. Rollbars
added to existing vehicles also loses interior space and, potentially,
increases the risk of head injury due to intruding on that space. A vehicle
designed with a better rollover cage would of course be better but would
raise the top-heavy aspects of it.
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo,
Without appreciating the actual accident conditions it's rather pointless to
speculate. The flip-over in that case was made worse by an embankment and
then sliding INTO the rear of another stopped vehicle. I happen to live in
this area and have seen the site. An inexperienced drunk teenager
overcorrected and lost control. Overengineering a vehicle is pointless if
parents aren't going to avoid setting their children up to die.
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
Which have nothing in comparison to the accident in question.
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
It's all about balance, quite literally, both financial and gravitational.
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
Or stop driving things you can't be responsible enough to control.
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
Not as much as not being an inexperienced and drunk teenager behind the
wheel.
Rollbars add weight. This would only ADD to the stability problems,
especially when combined with inexperienced drivers and alcohol. Rollbars
added to existing vehicles also loses interior space and, potentially,
increases the risk of head injury due to intruding on that space. A vehicle
designed with a better rollover cage would of course be better but would
raise the top-heavy aspects of it.
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo,
Without appreciating the actual accident conditions it's rather pointless to
speculate. The flip-over in that case was made worse by an embankment and
then sliding INTO the rear of another stopped vehicle. I happen to live in
this area and have seen the site. An inexperienced drunk teenager
overcorrected and lost control. Overengineering a vehicle is pointless if
parents aren't going to avoid setting their children up to die.
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
Which have nothing in comparison to the accident in question.
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
It's all about balance, quite literally, both financial and gravitational.
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
Or stop driving things you can't be responsible enough to control.
#42
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Posts: n/a
Re: SUVs and Rollovers
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
Not as much as not being an inexperienced and drunk teenager behind the
wheel.
Rollbars add weight. This would only ADD to the stability problems,
especially when combined with inexperienced drivers and alcohol. Rollbars
added to existing vehicles also loses interior space and, potentially,
increases the risk of head injury due to intruding on that space. A vehicle
designed with a better rollover cage would of course be better but would
raise the top-heavy aspects of it.
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo,
Without appreciating the actual accident conditions it's rather pointless to
speculate. The flip-over in that case was made worse by an embankment and
then sliding INTO the rear of another stopped vehicle. I happen to live in
this area and have seen the site. An inexperienced drunk teenager
overcorrected and lost control. Overengineering a vehicle is pointless if
parents aren't going to avoid setting their children up to die.
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
Which have nothing in comparison to the accident in question.
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
It's all about balance, quite literally, both financial and gravitational.
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
Or stop driving things you can't be responsible enough to control.
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
Not as much as not being an inexperienced and drunk teenager behind the
wheel.
Rollbars add weight. This would only ADD to the stability problems,
especially when combined with inexperienced drivers and alcohol. Rollbars
added to existing vehicles also loses interior space and, potentially,
increases the risk of head injury due to intruding on that space. A vehicle
designed with a better rollover cage would of course be better but would
raise the top-heavy aspects of it.
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo,
Without appreciating the actual accident conditions it's rather pointless to
speculate. The flip-over in that case was made worse by an embankment and
then sliding INTO the rear of another stopped vehicle. I happen to live in
this area and have seen the site. An inexperienced drunk teenager
overcorrected and lost control. Overengineering a vehicle is pointless if
parents aren't going to avoid setting their children up to die.
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
Which have nothing in comparison to the accident in question.
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
It's all about balance, quite literally, both financial and gravitational.
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
Or stop driving things you can't be responsible enough to control.
#43
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
Not as much as not being an inexperienced and drunk teenager behind the
wheel.
Rollbars add weight. This would only ADD to the stability problems,
especially when combined with inexperienced drivers and alcohol. Rollbars
added to existing vehicles also loses interior space and, potentially,
increases the risk of head injury due to intruding on that space. A vehicle
designed with a better rollover cage would of course be better but would
raise the top-heavy aspects of it.
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo,
Without appreciating the actual accident conditions it's rather pointless to
speculate. The flip-over in that case was made worse by an embankment and
then sliding INTO the rear of another stopped vehicle. I happen to live in
this area and have seen the site. An inexperienced drunk teenager
overcorrected and lost control. Overengineering a vehicle is pointless if
parents aren't going to avoid setting their children up to die.
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
Which have nothing in comparison to the accident in question.
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
It's all about balance, quite literally, both financial and gravitational.
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
Or stop driving things you can't be responsible enough to control.
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
Not as much as not being an inexperienced and drunk teenager behind the
wheel.
Rollbars add weight. This would only ADD to the stability problems,
especially when combined with inexperienced drivers and alcohol. Rollbars
added to existing vehicles also loses interior space and, potentially,
increases the risk of head injury due to intruding on that space. A vehicle
designed with a better rollover cage would of course be better but would
raise the top-heavy aspects of it.
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo,
Without appreciating the actual accident conditions it's rather pointless to
speculate. The flip-over in that case was made worse by an embankment and
then sliding INTO the rear of another stopped vehicle. I happen to live in
this area and have seen the site. An inexperienced drunk teenager
overcorrected and lost control. Overengineering a vehicle is pointless if
parents aren't going to avoid setting their children up to die.
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
Which have nothing in comparison to the accident in question.
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
It's all about balance, quite literally, both financial and gravitational.
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
Or stop driving things you can't be responsible enough to control.
#44
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
"Ben" <bmccunenospam@knology.net> wrote in message
news:x3nAd.1337$Kw1.610@fe40.usenetserver.com...
> I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer
was
> based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
> told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't
like
> the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
> ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi
which
> caused the tires to overheat and seperate..
>
> Ben
> 95 YJ 2.5L
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> > It is against the law to drive drunk.
> > The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> > rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> > The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> > inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> > all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> > pressure.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> >> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> >> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> >> completely mashed in:
> >>
> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
> >>
> >> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> >> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> >> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> >> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> >> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> >> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
> >>
> >> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> >> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> >> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> >> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> >> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> >> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
> >>
> >> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> >> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> >> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> >> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> >> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> >> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
> >>
> >> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> >> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> >> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
>
>
the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
"Ben" <bmccunenospam@knology.net> wrote in message
news:x3nAd.1337$Kw1.610@fe40.usenetserver.com...
> I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer
was
> based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
> told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't
like
> the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
> ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi
which
> caused the tires to overheat and seperate..
>
> Ben
> 95 YJ 2.5L
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> > It is against the law to drive drunk.
> > The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> > rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> > The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> > inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> > all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> > pressure.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> >> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> >> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> >> completely mashed in:
> >>
> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
> >>
> >> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> >> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> >> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> >> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> >> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> >> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
> >>
> >> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> >> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> >> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> >> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> >> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> >> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
> >>
> >> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> >> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> >> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> >> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> >> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> >> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
> >>
> >> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> >> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> >> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
>
>
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: SUVs and Rollovers
They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
"Ben" <bmccunenospam@knology.net> wrote in message
news:x3nAd.1337$Kw1.610@fe40.usenetserver.com...
> I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer
was
> based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
> told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't
like
> the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
> ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi
which
> caused the tires to overheat and seperate..
>
> Ben
> 95 YJ 2.5L
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> > It is against the law to drive drunk.
> > The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> > rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> > The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> > inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> > all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> > pressure.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> >> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> >> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> >> completely mashed in:
> >>
> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
> >>
> >> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> >> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> >> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> >> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> >> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> >> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
> >>
> >> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> >> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> >> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> >> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> >> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> >> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
> >>
> >> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> >> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> >> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> >> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> >> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> >> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
> >>
> >> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> >> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> >> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
>
>
the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
"Ben" <bmccunenospam@knology.net> wrote in message
news:x3nAd.1337$Kw1.610@fe40.usenetserver.com...
> I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer
was
> based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
> told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't
like
> the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
> ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi
which
> caused the tires to overheat and seperate..
>
> Ben
> 95 YJ 2.5L
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> > It is against the law to drive drunk.
> > The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> > rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> > The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> > inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> > all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> > pressure.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> >> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> >> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> >> completely mashed in:
> >>
> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
> >>
> >> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> >> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> >> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> >> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> >> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> >> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
> >>
> >> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> >> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> >> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> >> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> >> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> >> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
> >>
> >> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> >> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> >> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> >> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> >> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> >> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
> >>
> >> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> >> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> >> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
>
>
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: SUVs and Rollovers
They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
"Ben" <bmccunenospam@knology.net> wrote in message
news:x3nAd.1337$Kw1.610@fe40.usenetserver.com...
> I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer
was
> based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
> told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't
like
> the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
> ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi
which
> caused the tires to overheat and seperate..
>
> Ben
> 95 YJ 2.5L
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> > It is against the law to drive drunk.
> > The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> > rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> > The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> > inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> > all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> > pressure.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> >> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> >> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> >> completely mashed in:
> >>
> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
> >>
> >> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> >> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> >> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> >> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> >> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> >> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
> >>
> >> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> >> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> >> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> >> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> >> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> >> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
> >>
> >> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> >> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> >> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> >> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> >> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> >> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
> >>
> >> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> >> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> >> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
>
>
the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
"Ben" <bmccunenospam@knology.net> wrote in message
news:x3nAd.1337$Kw1.610@fe40.usenetserver.com...
> I had a machanic tell me the reason the tires seperated on the Explorer
was
> based on tire pressure. Firestone designed the tires for the Explorer and
> told Ford the tire pressure needed to be around 36 psi but Ford didn't
like
> the ride because it rode like a truck.. Ford knew people wouldn't like the
> ride.. So Ford decided to change the psi on the tires to 30 to 32 psi
which
> caused the tires to overheat and seperate..
>
> Ben
> 95 YJ 2.5L
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41D1A55B.44735A7C@***.net...
> > It is against the law to drive drunk.
> > The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
> > rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
> > The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
> > inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
> > all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
> > pressure.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> >> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> >> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> >> completely mashed in:
> >>
> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
> >>
> >> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> >> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> >> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> >> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> >> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> >> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
> >>
> >> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> >> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> >> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> >> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> >> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> >> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
> >>
> >> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> >> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> >> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> >> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> >> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> >> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
> >>
> >> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> >> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> >> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
>
>
#47
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
I've never heard Firestone took on the responsibility for the low
tire pressure. Have a site?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
> the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
tire pressure. Have a site?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
> the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
#48
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
I've never heard Firestone took on the responsibility for the low
tire pressure. Have a site?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
> the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
tire pressure. Have a site?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
> the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
#49
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Posts: n/a
Re: SUVs and Rollovers
I've never heard Firestone took on the responsibility for the low
tire pressure. Have a site?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
> the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
tire pressure. Have a site?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would meet
> the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
#50
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
I'll google it for you, but I don't have a site offhand. I remember a report
on the local news radio station about it. We get a lot of auto news in
Detroit. I distinctly remember that it was reported that Firestone assured
Ford that the tires would meet the pressure specs.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D48E63.8FCC83BF@***.net...
> I've never heard Firestone took on the responsibility for the low
> tire pressure. Have a site?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would
meet
> > the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....
on the local news radio station about it. We get a lot of auto news in
Detroit. I distinctly remember that it was reported that Firestone assured
Ford that the tires would meet the pressure specs.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D48E63.8FCC83BF@***.net...
> I've never heard Firestone took on the responsibility for the low
> tire pressure. Have a site?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > They changed the tire pressure after Firestone told them the tire would
meet
> > the new pressure specs. Your mechanic must work for Mr Goodwrench....