SUVs and Rollovers
#17
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
I would point out that the pix of the Explorer shows that the roof
structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
#18
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
I would point out that the pix of the Explorer shows that the roof
structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
#19
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
I would point out that the pix of the Explorer shows that the roof
structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
structure behind the driver is intact. This is the same area that would
have the rollbar protecting you in the Jeep. Cliff pulled up a pix of a
flattened Jeep, it has the same characteristic flattened windshield area
as the Explorer. Both are typical of a rollover.
My point is that unless you have the full front windshield rollbar and
proper diagonal bracing, you are still at high risk in a rollover.
lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
>
#20
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Re: SUVs and Rollovers
It is against the law to drive drunk.
The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
pressure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."
The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
pressure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."