L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

It is against the law to drive drunk.
The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
pressure.
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lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

It is against the law to drive drunk.
The roll bar adds weight, the Environmental Protection Agency would
rather you get better mileage than protect your life.
The ABS on the Explorer releases the axles on turns where the
inside wheel comes off the ground, and inertial pushes if over, as with
all the Ford rollovers blamed on tire separation caused by low air
pressure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

lambeth65@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Here's an article in this morning's Washington Post about the danger of
> SUV rollover accidents (especially involving teens.) There's a
> gruesome picture of a Ford Explorer with its passenger compartment
> completely mashed in:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6760241/
>
> Now, here's my dumb question: Wouldn't a single CJ-size roll bar
> inside the passenger compartment of most SUVs dramatically reduce the
> likelihood of a fatality or horrible injury from a rollover crash?
> Looking at the Ford Explorer photo, it's easy to picture the passenger
> compartment staying intact if it had been supported by a single bar of
> thick steel between the front and second row of seats.
>
> I've been lucky enough never to roll, but I've either directly seen or
> observed the aftermath of several CJ, YJ, and TJ rollovers, and in
> every case, the driver was fine, except for some minor bruising and
> scratches. Admittedly this was at low off-road speeds, but it was
> also over much nastier terrain than you find on the road (big, sharp
> boulders, 30+ degree inclines, etc.)
>
> I see lots of folks shelling out thousands of dollars for gizmos like
> side curtain airbags, dynamic stability control, ABS, etc., in their
> expensive luxury SUVs. Wouldn't $600 worth of steel and welding work
> be a much better investment? I can't believe that the SUV
> manufacturers with the sterling safety records, such as Volvo and BMW,
> haven't put a simple roll bar in their passenger compartments.
>
> Ok, sure, an interior roll bar would be a bit unsightly in your $40,000
> luxury ego-feeding chariot. So wrap the damn thing in leather and wood
> paneling and call it an "elegant interior appointment."

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

That's why we ALL add full cages:
http://www.stu-offroad.com/rollcage/roll-4.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Cliff wrote:
>
> >It would probably cut the fatal and serious injury count by quite a high
> >margin though. Rollbars are a wonderful thing.
>
> With the stock bars I have serious doubts...

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

That's why we ALL add full cages:
http://www.stu-offroad.com/rollcage/roll-4.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Cliff wrote:
>
> >It would probably cut the fatal and serious injury count by quite a high
> >margin though. Rollbars are a wonderful thing.
>
> With the stock bars I have serious doubts...

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

That's why we ALL add full cages:
http://www.stu-offroad.com/rollcage/roll-4.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Cliff wrote:
>
> >It would probably cut the fatal and serious injury count by quite a high
> >margin though. Rollbars are a wonderful thing.
>
> With the stock bars I have serious doubts...

griffin

Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar is
better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of install.

Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job like
that.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D1A654.3B251DEE@***.net...
> That's why we ALL add full cages:
> http://www.stu-offroad.com/rollcage/roll-4.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

griffin

Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar is
better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of install.

Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job like
that.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D1A654.3B251DEE@***.net...
> That's why we ALL add full cages:
> http://www.stu-offroad.com/rollcage/roll-4.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

griffin

Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar is
better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of install.

Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job like
that.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41D1A654.3B251DEE@***.net...
> That's why we ALL add full cages:
> http://www.stu-offroad.com/rollcage/roll-4.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Did you click on the video of that roll?
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griffin wrote:
>
> Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar is
> better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of install.
>
> Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job like
> that.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Did you click on the video of that roll?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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griffin wrote:
>
> Now THAT is a well-built cage. Either way, any properly mounted rollbar is
> better than no rollbar, especially given the relatively low cost of install.
>
> Thanks for the link, Bill ...when I get my welder I might take on a job like
> that.